Re: [Esug-list] [amber-lang] It looks like Amber, it smells like Amber… But it is not Amber!

NP
Nicolas Petton
Thu, May 16, 2013 1:40 PM

Hi Guido, where did you find this?

Cheers,
Nico

On May 16, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Guido Stepken gstepken@googlemail.com wrote:

S8 - Embedding morphic.js
Copyright (C) 2013 - http://u8.smalltalking.net/profile/aleReimondo/147/index.html
Copyright (C) 2013 Alejandro F. Reimondo  http://www.aleReimondo.com

Parts of source code written for Jtalk, Copyright (C) 2011 by Nicolas Petton
Also code and ideas from Clamato (http://clamato.net), written by Avi Byrant.
The PetitParser library, published by Lukas Renggli (http://lukas-renggli.ch) and released under the MIT license.
And people that contributed to Smalltalk on diverse media years(decades) before this license holders claimed ownership.
Am 16.05.2013 15:15 schrieb "Nicolas Petton" petton.nicolas@gmail.com:
Hi!

After looking at S8 [1], it's clear that it's a fork of Amber
[2]. While this is perfectly fine as Amber is released under MIT, I
really don't like the statements on the website about the license and
origin of the project [3].

S8 doesn't fulfil the MIT license as the copyright
of Amber should be clearly stated on the S8 website.

Quoting the page:

"
How/where S8 is different from product/project XXX ?

 S8 as result of regional scheme of concepts is unique and we don´t
 know about other formulations similar to S8.  It is frequently asked
 if "S8 source code" is derivative work of other MIT licensed sources
 (please download and read license terms if it is still your interest).
 The question is incorrect (and we are free to do not answer incorrect
 questions here) because it means that the person asking has not
 reached the understanding of Smalltalk required to adopt a POV
 consistent with S8 (Smalltalk as not a language).

"

Moreover, I couldn't find anywhere on the website a link to such a
license or any reference to amber being the original project.

Stating that S8 is a fork of Amber there, instead of attempting to
evade the question, would simply be fair play. As it is right now it
looks more like stealing than forking an opensource project.  In the
world of opensource, I think this is really a shame :-/

Now maybe I'm just too stupid and I " have not reached the
understanding of Smalltalk required to adopt a POV consistent with
S8"...

Cheers, Nico

[1] http://u8.smalltalking.net/s8.aspx
[2] http://amber-lang.net
[3] http://u8.smalltalking.net/

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Hi Guido, where did you find this? Cheers, Nico On May 16, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Guido Stepken <gstepken@googlemail.com> wrote: > S8 - Embedding morphic.js > Copyright (C) 2013 - http://u8.smalltalking.net/profile/aleReimondo/147/index.html > Copyright (C) 2013 Alejandro F. Reimondo http://www.aleReimondo.com > > Parts of source code written for Jtalk, Copyright (C) 2011 by Nicolas Petton > Also code and ideas from Clamato (http://clamato.net), written by Avi Byrant. > The PetitParser library, published by Lukas Renggli (http://lukas-renggli.ch) and released under the MIT license. > And people that contributed to Smalltalk on diverse media years(decades) before this license holders claimed ownership. > Am 16.05.2013 15:15 schrieb "Nicolas Petton" <petton.nicolas@gmail.com>: > Hi! > > After looking at S8 [1], it's clear that it's a fork of Amber > [2]. While this is perfectly fine as Amber is released under MIT, I > really don't like the statements on the website about the license and > origin of the project [3]. > > S8 doesn't fulfil the MIT license as the copyright > of Amber should be clearly stated on the S8 website. > > Quoting the page: > > " > How/where S8 is different from product/project XXX ? > > S8 as result of regional scheme of concepts is unique and we don´t > know about other formulations similar to S8. It is frequently asked > if "S8 source code" is derivative work of other MIT licensed sources > (please download and read license terms if it is still your interest). > The question is incorrect (and we are free to do not answer incorrect > questions here) because it means that the person asking has not > reached the understanding of Smalltalk required to adopt a POV > consistent with S8 (Smalltalk as not a language). > " > > Moreover, I couldn't find anywhere on the website a link to such a > license or any reference to amber being the original project. > > Stating that S8 is a fork of Amber there, instead of attempting to > evade the question, would simply be fair play. As it is right now it > looks more like stealing than forking an opensource project. In the > world of opensource, I think this is really a shame :-/ > > Now maybe I'm just too stupid and I " have not reached the > understanding of Smalltalk required to adopt a POV consistent with > S8"... > > Cheers, Nico > > [1] http://u8.smalltalking.net/s8.aspx > [2] http://amber-lang.net > [3] http://u8.smalltalking.net/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to amber-lang+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- Nicolas Petton http://www.nicolas-petton.fr