Re: [time-nuts] Coarse adjustment of PRS-10 with 5335A
The one mix and match synth I've not got working is my HP 5100B/5110B. It
came to me for the price of about 15 gallons of gas, and day on the road.
Was stored in a unheated shop for at least two decades, if not three. Why
have one ? .. Goes with the GR1161, 1162, (No 1164 or 68 yet), PTS 160,
Monsanto 3100A, Fluke 6160B, etc.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:14 AM, paul swed paulswedb@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bill
I guess technology moved along. I think of the mix type of syn like genrad
made 1164 maybe. Son of a guns to keep working and I think they are noisey.
Granted in the day they were not bad for what they were doing.
You could emulate much in todays technology. But I think cost becomes an
issue.
Regards
Paul.
WB8TSL
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Bill Hawkins bill@iaxs.net wrote:
Why do we hardly ever talk about synthesizers - those boxes that
turn 10 MHz into other frequencies?
Bill Hawkins
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There was a recent, fairly long, 'conversation' about the 3325A and
resurrecting it from a failed EPROM (and other problems, I think) that
ultimately was resolved by replacing the four Synertek 32K EPROM's with two
MCM68766 64K EPROM's. From what I have been told, it was a simple matter of
removing the four 32K EPROM's from positions U1, U2, U3 and U4 on the A6
Board and inserting the two 64K EPROM's at positions U1 and U2.
Joe
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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:59 AM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers
On 9/2/13 7:50 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote:
Why do we hardly ever talk about synthesizers - those boxes that turn
10 MHz into other frequencies?
We do.. there's a fair amount of talk about boxes like the PTS synthesizers.
And there's been talk about 866x series synths, and perhaps the 3325,
although I'd have to go search to be sure.
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Pete
A shame we did not meet a few years ago I had 2 1164s. Both working and
cranky.
Often thought about using modern technology per decade. Anyhow you could
have been the proud owner of both of them for that magical box we send back
and forth. As it was I darnear gave them a way for a song at a hamfest.
I do have a 8660c and fluke 6060. Both work very well and I use them often.
I am familiar with the old HP now thats a serious boat anchor. I assume you
picked up both the source and the gen it was a 2 unit gizmo.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Pete Lancashire pete@petelancashire.comwrote:
The one mix and match synth I've not got working is my HP 5100B/5110B. It
came to me for the price of about 15 gallons of gas, and day on the road.
Was stored in a unheated shop for at least two decades, if not three. Why
have one ? .. Goes with the GR1161, 1162, (No 1164 or 68 yet), PTS 160,
Monsanto 3100A, Fluke 6160B, etc.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:14 AM, paul swed paulswedb@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bill
I guess technology moved along. I think of the mix type of syn like
genrad
made 1164 maybe. Son of a guns to keep working and I think they are
noisey.
Granted in the day they were not bad for what they were doing.
You could emulate much in todays technology. But I think cost becomes an
issue.
Regards
Paul.
WB8TSL
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Bill Hawkins bill@iaxs.net wrote:
Why do we hardly ever talk about synthesizers - those boxes that
turn 10 MHz into other frequencies?
Bill Hawkins
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On the 3325 I will also bet they had to change a jumper next to each
socket. HP was quite good about that. I just did sort of teh same fix on my
HP54100d that simply forgot. Lucky for me after 3 years of hunting someone
finally put a good set on Diddiers site.
Regards
Paul.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:38 PM, J. L. Trantham jltran@att.net wrote:
There was a recent, fairly long, 'conversation' about the 3325A and
resurrecting it from a failed EPROM (and other problems, I think) that
ultimately was resolved by replacing the four Synertek 32K EPROM's with two
MCM68766 64K EPROM's. From what I have been told, it was a simple matter
of
removing the four 32K EPROM's from positions U1, U2, U3 and U4 on the A6
Board and inserting the two 64K EPROM's at positions U1 and U2.
Joe
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Behalf Of Jim Lux
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:59 AM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers
On 9/2/13 7:50 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote:
Why do we hardly ever talk about synthesizers - those boxes that turn
10 MHz into other frequencies?
We do.. there's a fair amount of talk about boxes like the PTS
synthesizers.
And there's been talk about 866x series synths, and perhaps the 3325,
although I'd have to go search to be sure.
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Paul,
Actually, I don't know about the jumper issue. I think it worked with the
jumpers 'as they were'.
The thread was on the HP/Agilent group.
Joe
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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 6:45 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers
Joe
On the 3325 I will also bet they had to change a jumper next to each socket.
HP was quite good about that. I just did sort of teh same fix on my HP54100d
that simply forgot. Lucky for me after 3 years of hunting someone finally
put a good set on Diddiers site.
Regards
Paul.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:38 PM, J. L. Trantham jltran@att.net wrote:
There was a recent, fairly long, 'conversation' about the 3325A and
resurrecting it from a failed EPROM (and other problems, I think) that
ultimately was resolved by replacing the four Synertek 32K EPROM's
with two
MCM68766 64K EPROM's. From what I have been told, it was a simple
matter of removing the four 32K EPROM's from positions U1, U2, U3 and
U4 on the A6 Board and inserting the two 64K EPROM's at positions U1
and U2.
Joe
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From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com]
On Behalf Of Jim Lux
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:59 AM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers
On 9/2/13 7:50 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote:
Why do we hardly ever talk about synthesizers - those boxes that
turn
10 MHz into other frequencies?
We do.. there's a fair amount of talk about boxes like the PTS
synthesizers.
And there's been talk about 866x series synths, and perhaps the 3325,
although I'd have to go search to be sure.
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Ah the 8660's
Image 22 8660A's in two racks, was an fun tax payer, paid project :-)
We where never told what the master clock was.
Have S/N suffix 0009 in the garage.
For you time nuts, a side hobby should be frequency nuts. How to
produce the cleanest synth'ed signal but be able to change it quickly.
Made a few companies a lot of money and challenged engineers.
It was quite the challenge in the late 60's into the 70's. There were two
types of cusomers. Those that wanted uS switching time vs. those that
didn't care. Nothing inbetween.
-pete
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:43 PM, paul swed paulswedb@gmail.com wrote:
Pete
A shame we did not meet a few years ago I had 2 1164s. Both working and
cranky.
Often thought about using modern technology per decade. Anyhow you could
have been the proud owner of both of them for that magical box we send back
and forth. As it was I darnear gave them a way for a song at a hamfest.
I do have a 8660c and fluke 6060. Both work very well and I use them often.
I am familiar with the old HP now thats a serious boat anchor. I assume you
picked up both the source and the gen it was a 2 unit gizmo.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Pete Lancashire <pete@petelancashire.com
wrote:
The one mix and match synth I've not got working is my HP 5100B/5110B. It
came to me for the price of about 15 gallons of gas, and day on the road.
Was stored in a unheated shop for at least two decades, if not three. Why
have one ? .. Goes with the GR1161, 1162, (No 1164 or 68 yet), PTS 160,
Monsanto 3100A, Fluke 6160B, etc.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:14 AM, paul swed paulswedb@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bill
I guess technology moved along. I think of the mix type of syn like
genrad
made 1164 maybe. Son of a guns to keep working and I think they are
noisey.
Granted in the day they were not bad for what they were doing.
You could emulate much in todays technology. But I think cost becomes
an
issue.
Regards
Paul.
WB8TSL
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Bill Hawkins bill@iaxs.net wrote:
Why do we hardly ever talk about synthesizers - those boxes that
turn 10 MHz into other frequencies?
Bill Hawkins
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On 9/3/13 7:14 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
Ah the 8660's
Image 22 8660A's in two racks, was an fun tax payer, paid project :-)
We where never told what the master clock was.
Have S/N suffix 0009 in the garage.
For you time nuts, a side hobby should be frequency nuts. How to
produce the cleanest synth'ed signal but be able to change it quickly.
Made a few companies a lot of money and challenged engineers.
It was quite the challenge in the late 60's into the 70's. There were two
types of cusomers. Those that wanted uS switching time vs. those that
didn't care. Nothing inbetween.
When I was doing electronic warfare stuff in the 80s, microsecond
switching was the order of the day, and PTS was our friend. Nothing
like direct synthesis (mix and add) for speed. Waiting for the PLL to
settle was for casual use. As you say, either you need it or you don't,
and there's not much demand for "settle in milliseconds".
I have four PTS synthesizers. They're the bees knees...
fixed up an Arduino interface to control 3 of them. The fourth is a
special that I got through careless ebay picture and text analysis; good
for some parts.
Don
Jim Lux
On 9/3/13 7:14 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
Ah the 8660's
Image 22 8660A's in two racks, was an fun tax payer, paid project :-)
We where never told what the master clock was.
Have S/N suffix 0009 in the garage.
For you time nuts, a side hobby should be frequency nuts. How to
produce the cleanest synth'ed signal but be able to change it quickly.
Made a few companies a lot of money and challenged engineers.
It was quite the challenge in the late 60's into the 70's. There were
two
types of cusomers. Those that wanted uS switching time vs. those that
didn't care. Nothing inbetween.
When I was doing electronic warfare stuff in the 80s, microsecond
switching was the order of the day, and PTS was our friend. Nothing
like direct synthesis (mix and add) for speed. Waiting for the PLL to
settle was for casual use. As you say, either you need it or you don't,
and there's not much demand for "settle in milliseconds".
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Hi
If the 1164 was anything like the 1162 they got a lot of use in the crystal industry. The normal operating mode involved a reset of the frequency every few minutes. That got them into the "cranky" category pretty quickly (as in by the mid 70's).
Bob
On Sep 3, 2013, at 7:43 PM, paul swed paulswedb@gmail.com wrote:
Pete
A shame we did not meet a few years ago I had 2 1164s. Both working and
cranky.
Often thought about using modern technology per decade. Anyhow you could
have been the proud owner of both of them for that magical box we send back
and forth. As it was I darnear gave them a way for a song at a hamfest.
I do have a 8660c and fluke 6060. Both work very well and I use them often.
I am familiar with the old HP now thats a serious boat anchor. I assume you
picked up both the source and the gen it was a 2 unit gizmo.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Pete Lancashire pete@petelancashire.comwrote:
The one mix and match synth I've not got working is my HP 5100B/5110B. It
came to me for the price of about 15 gallons of gas, and day on the road.
Was stored in a unheated shop for at least two decades, if not three. Why
have one ? .. Goes with the GR1161, 1162, (No 1164 or 68 yet), PTS 160,
Monsanto 3100A, Fluke 6160B, etc.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:14 AM, paul swed paulswedb@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bill
I guess technology moved along. I think of the mix type of syn like
genrad
made 1164 maybe. Son of a guns to keep working and I think they are
noisey.
Granted in the day they were not bad for what they were doing.
You could emulate much in todays technology. But I think cost becomes an
issue.
Regards
Paul.
WB8TSL
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Bill Hawkins bill@iaxs.net wrote:
Why do we hardly ever talk about synthesizers - those boxes that
turn 10 MHz into other frequencies?
Bill Hawkins
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The 1164 was the last of the family, It required a different cabinet
slightly deeper cabinet.
The 1161 0 to 100kHz, 1162 0 to 1MHz, 1163 30Hz to 12 MHz and the 1164,
10kHz to 70 MHz
Interesting you mention crystals, either a 1161 or 1162 I have has a Bulova
Accutron asset tag one of the few times I've left the tag on. Not a crystal
to time nutty
-pete
**
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 4:17 AM, Bob Camp lists@rtty.us wrote:
Hi
If the 1164 was anything like the 1162 they got a lot of use in the
crystal industry. The normal operating mode involved a reset of the
frequency every few minutes. That got them into the "cranky" category
pretty quickly (as in by the mid 70's).
Bob
On Sep 3, 2013, at 7:43 PM, paul swed paulswedb@gmail.com wrote:
Pete
A shame we did not meet a few years ago I had 2 1164s. Both working and
cranky.
Often thought about using modern technology per decade. Anyhow you could
have been the proud owner of both of them for that magical box we send
back
and forth. As it was I darnear gave them a way for a song at a hamfest.
I do have a 8660c and fluke 6060. Both work very well and I use them
often.
I am familiar with the old HP now thats a serious boat anchor. I assume
you
picked up both the source and the gen it was a 2 unit gizmo.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Pete Lancashire <pete@petelancashire.com
wrote:
The one mix and match synth I've not got working is my HP 5100B/5110B.
It
came to me for the price of about 15 gallons of gas, and day on the
road.
Was stored in a unheated shop for at least two decades, if not three.
Why
have one ? .. Goes with the GR1161, 1162, (No 1164 or 68 yet), PTS 160,
Monsanto 3100A, Fluke 6160B, etc.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:14 AM, paul swed paulswedb@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bill
I guess technology moved along. I think of the mix type of syn like
genrad
made 1164 maybe. Son of a guns to keep working and I think they are
noisey.
Granted in the day they were not bad for what they were doing.
You could emulate much in todays technology. But I think cost becomes
an
issue.
Regards
Paul.
WB8TSL
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Bill Hawkins bill@iaxs.net wrote:
Why do we hardly ever talk about synthesizers - those boxes that
turn 10 MHz into other frequencies?
Bill Hawkins
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