volt-nuts@lists.febo.com

Discussion of precise voltage measurement

View all threads

3458A Multi-Year Calibration/Service Agreement

D
Don@True-Cal
Thu, Apr 12, 2018 3:48 PM

I have been in contact with Keysight US sales team and I'm getting ready to sign a 5-year contract for yearly calibration and any service or repair needed during the agreement period. The agreement is for the lowest level of calibration service "Keysight Calibration Agreement" with a yearly price of $588 and "Repair Agreement" for a yearly price of $192, totaling $780 per year for both. They are offering a 5% discount for a 5-year agreement which brings the cost to $741 yearly committed for 5 years. I know this is a lot higher cost than what used to be $250-$350 several years back. Has anyone in this group negotiated, or know of, a recent multi-year agreement with Keysight for 3458A calibration/repair that can comment on this.

Don

-----Original Message-----n this group
From: volt-nuts volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com On Behalf Of Dr. David Kirkby
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:48 AM
To: Discussion of precise voltage measurement volt-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [volt-nuts] Does desoldering and resoldering an LTZ1000A reset the ageing?

There seems to be plenty of evidence that meters like the 3458A improve stability over time. I believe that most/all is due to improved stability of the LTZ1000A.

Does anyone know if desoldering one and resoldering resets the aging process? I see a number of used LTZ1000A ICs on eBay from China that look like they have been poorly removed. They are about the same price as a brand new LTZ1000A.

I wondering if properly removed, a used chip is no more stable than a new one.

Dave


volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts
and follow the instructions there.

I have been in contact with Keysight US sales team and I'm getting ready to sign a 5-year contract for yearly calibration and any service or repair needed during the agreement period. The agreement is for the lowest level of calibration service "Keysight Calibration Agreement" with a yearly price of $588 and "Repair Agreement" for a yearly price of $192, totaling $780 per year for both. They are offering a 5% discount for a 5-year agreement which brings the cost to $741 yearly committed for 5 years. I know this is a lot higher cost than what used to be $250-$350 several years back. Has anyone in this group negotiated, or know of, a recent multi-year agreement with Keysight for 3458A calibration/repair that can comment on this. Don -----Original Message-----n this group From: volt-nuts <volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com> On Behalf Of Dr. David Kirkby Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:48 AM To: Discussion of precise voltage measurement <volt-nuts@febo.com> Subject: [volt-nuts] Does desoldering and resoldering an LTZ1000A reset the ageing? There seems to be plenty of evidence that meters like the 3458A improve stability over time. I believe that most/all is due to improved stability of the LTZ1000A. Does anyone know if desoldering one and resoldering resets the aging process? I see a number of used LTZ1000A ICs on eBay from China that look like they have been poorly removed. They are about the same price as a brand new LTZ1000A. I wondering if properly removed, a used chip is no more stable than a new one. Dave _______________________________________________ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there.
TM
Todd Micallef
Thu, Apr 12, 2018 4:15 PM

Don,

I have not negotiated the agreement but am happy with the cost. You will be
too if the meter fails cal and needs repair. I paid for the 5 years of
service up front and the calibration agreement is paid annually. I found it
easier to do it this way. I changed the calibration level to the one with
uncertainties on the third year. They just canceled the old cal agreement
and the new one renews upon payment.

My meter has failed once and the A1 needed to be replaced. It paid for the
service contract a few times over. I renew for another 5 years next year if
possible. If they announce a replacement meter, I will renew ASAP.

There has been no mention of anyone getting a discount. Some companies like
Tektronix will give a discount if you list a large amount of equipment for
possible cal. I was told you didn't need to send it all in but just be a
potential source of more revenue. Keysight might work the same way. List
out all your gear for cal and maybe they will work with you on pricing.

Todd

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Don@True-Cal truecalservices@gmail.com
wrote:

I have been in contact with Keysight US sales team and I'm getting ready
to sign a 5-year contract for yearly calibration and any service or repair
needed during the agreement period. The agreement is for the lowest level
of calibration service "Keysight Calibration Agreement" with a yearly price
of $588 and "Repair Agreement" for a yearly price of $192, totaling $780
per year for both. They are offering a 5% discount for a 5-year agreement
which brings the cost to $741 yearly committed for 5 years. I know this is
a lot higher cost than what used to be $250-$350 several years back. Has
anyone in this group negotiated, or know of, a recent multi-year agreement
with Keysight for 3458A calibration/repair that can comment on this.

Don

-----Original Message-----n this group
From: volt-nuts volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com On Behalf Of Dr. David Kirkby
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:48 AM
To: Discussion of precise voltage measurement volt-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [volt-nuts] Does desoldering and resoldering an LTZ1000A reset
the ageing?

There seems to be plenty of evidence that meters like the 3458A improve
stability over time. I believe that most/all is due to improved stability
of the LTZ1000A.

Does anyone know if desoldering one and resoldering resets the aging
process? I see a number of used LTZ1000A ICs on eBay from China that look
like they have been poorly removed. They are about the same price as a
brand new LTZ1000A.

I wondering if properly removed, a used chip is no more stable than a new
one.

Dave


volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to
https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts
and follow the instructions there.


volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/
mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts
and follow the instructions there.

Don, I have not negotiated the agreement but am happy with the cost. You will be too if the meter fails cal and needs repair. I paid for the 5 years of service up front and the calibration agreement is paid annually. I found it easier to do it this way. I changed the calibration level to the one with uncertainties on the third year. They just canceled the old cal agreement and the new one renews upon payment. My meter has failed once and the A1 needed to be replaced. It paid for the service contract a few times over. I renew for another 5 years next year if possible. If they announce a replacement meter, I will renew ASAP. There has been no mention of anyone getting a discount. Some companies like Tektronix will give a discount if you list a large amount of equipment for possible cal. I was told you didn't need to send it all in but just be a potential source of more revenue. Keysight might work the same way. List out all your gear for cal and maybe they will work with you on pricing. Todd On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Don@True-Cal <truecalservices@gmail.com> wrote: > I have been in contact with Keysight US sales team and I'm getting ready > to sign a 5-year contract for yearly calibration and any service or repair > needed during the agreement period. The agreement is for the lowest level > of calibration service "Keysight Calibration Agreement" with a yearly price > of $588 and "Repair Agreement" for a yearly price of $192, totaling $780 > per year for both. They are offering a 5% discount for a 5-year agreement > which brings the cost to $741 yearly committed for 5 years. I know this is > a lot higher cost than what used to be $250-$350 several years back. Has > anyone in this group negotiated, or know of, a recent multi-year agreement > with Keysight for 3458A calibration/repair that can comment on this. > > Don > > -----Original Message-----n this group > From: volt-nuts <volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com> On Behalf Of Dr. David Kirkby > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:48 AM > To: Discussion of precise voltage measurement <volt-nuts@febo.com> > Subject: [volt-nuts] Does desoldering and resoldering an LTZ1000A reset > the ageing? > > There seems to be plenty of evidence that meters like the 3458A improve > stability over time. I believe that most/all is due to improved stability > of the LTZ1000A. > > Does anyone know if desoldering one and resoldering resets the aging > process? I see a number of used LTZ1000A ICs on eBay from China that look > like they have been poorly removed. They are about the same price as a > brand new LTZ1000A. > > I wondering if properly removed, a used chip is no more stable than a new > one. > > > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >