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Wesley Eldred

Wed, Jun 26, 2002 2:20 PM

At the following website there is a rather remarkable picture of a
grounded yacht:

http://www.moonraker.dk/danish/Seneste%20nyt/Sidste%20nyt.htm

If we have someone on the list that can translate from the Danish, it
would be interesting to learn what led to this grounding and how badly
the craft was damaged.

Thank you

Wesley
weldred@zoo.uvm.edu

At the following website there is a rather remarkable picture of a grounded yacht: http://www.moonraker.dk/danish/Seneste%20nyt/Sidste%20nyt.htm If we have someone on the list that can translate from the Danish, it would be interesting to learn what led to this grounding and how badly the craft was damaged. Thank you Wesley weldred@zoo.uvm.edu

AJ

Arild Jensen

Wed, Jun 26, 2002 3:08 PM

At the following website there is a rather remarkable picture of a
grounded yacht:

http://www.moonraker.dk/danish/Seneste%20nyt/Sidste%20nyt.htm

If we have someone on the list that can translate from the Danish, it
would be interesting to learn what led to this grounding and how badly
the craft was damaged.

Thank you

Wesley

REPLY
This is one of the last Moonraker modesl produced.
The boat in the picture is owned by Alan Waller who made a navigational
error near the channel island of Guernsey. The Boat's name is Powergame.

No explanation is given regarding the events leading up to the grounding.
The discussion revolves around the desire for the Moonraker owner
association to recover as much information about the boats after the
manufacturer went bankrupt in 1991.

The writeup appear to be the online news letter for the boat owners
association.

regards
Arild

> At the following website there is a rather remarkable picture of a > grounded yacht: > > http://www.moonraker.dk/danish/Seneste%20nyt/Sidste%20nyt.htm > > If we have someone on the list that can translate from the Danish, it > would be interesting to learn what led to this grounding and how badly > the craft was damaged. > > Thank you > > Wesley REPLY This is one of the last Moonraker modesl produced. The boat in the picture is owned by Alan Waller who made a navigational error near the channel island of Guernsey. The Boat's name is Powergame. No explanation is given regarding the events leading up to the grounding. The discussion revolves around the desire for the Moonraker owner association to recover as much information about the boats after the manufacturer went bankrupt in 1991. The writeup appear to be the online news letter for the boat owners association. regards Arild

MK

M. Kenneth McQuage

Wed, Jun 26, 2002 3:42 PM

picture of a

grounded yacht:
http://www.moonraker.dk/danish/Seneste%20nyt/Sidste%20nyt.htm

This picture accompanied a brief article in Motor Boats Monthly some

time ago . A brief search for the issue has not produced imediate results .
Will look some more for it later - if time permits .

 I forget the location -- I believe the owner was attempting to cut a

corner entering a channel - and ran aground ( arock :) ) The highly
embarrrased owner was picked up and the boat was refloated on the next
tide. A subsequent haul out revealed little if any damage !

 The tides ' over there ' are much more than we contend with almost

anywhere in the States ; in London the tide of the Thames - runs from 12 to
17 ft and there is a heck of a current - entry to St. Katerines Dock Marina
is made through a lock , In the Channel - Brittany's tide is about 40 feet
( rocks of this sort are adjuscent to A:LL channels ) , Normandy tides are
about 50 feet but rocks are fewer ( At San St. Michele for instance the
distance the tides ebb and return is about 15 miles accross the sands ! ) .
Needless to say errors in piloting can be most unforgiving .

  Year before last  we cruised , with our friends, who some of you have

met on the Erie Canal and at the Trawler Fest in Solomons -- aboard their
boat - from South Hampton to explore the Channel Islands and the coast of
Brittany . The passage from SH to Jersey - accross the shipping lane of the
Channel - was made fog with visibility of less than 100 yds - as were at
least two other passages - to Cherborg and later Pampol . There were about
25 boats on this ' cruise in company ' all using radar ! At almost each
stop we were harbor bound for several days due to fronts from the Atlantic
hitting the coast . This too is quite common - everyone waits for a weather
window and goes like hell to the next port ( just like waiting for a weather
window for the D Day invasion ) .. We ended up leaving the boat in Jersey
because of high frontal winds - 60 mph inside the walled harbor - God only
knows what the windspeed was outside -- and taking the ferry back to to
Poole . This too is a part of normal boating over there and no one gets to
upset about it .

 Will be off  the list as of Monday - to again cruise in the UK and

Normandy . Ports of the cruise plan include : South Hampton , Brighton,
Dover , London , Teddington , Limehouse, Chatham, Nieuport ( Bel) , Calais,
Boulogne, Frecamp, Deauville, Cowes - and back to South Hampton -
adjustments for weather are always neccessary - so at least 50 % of the
above may be considered as wishful thinking !

All the Best
Ken

picture of a > grounded yacht: > http://www.moonraker.dk/danish/Seneste%20nyt/Sidste%20nyt.htm This picture accompanied a brief article in Motor Boats Monthly some time ago . A brief search for the issue has not produced imediate results . Will look some more for it later - if time permits . I forget the location -- I believe the owner was attempting to cut a corner entering a channel - and ran aground ( arock :) ) The highly embarrrased owner was picked up and the boat was refloated on the next tide. A subsequent haul out revealed little if any damage ! The tides ' over there ' are much more than we contend with almost anywhere in the States ; in London the tide of the Thames - runs from 12 to 17 ft and there is a heck of a current - entry to St. Katerines Dock Marina is made through a lock , In the Channel - Brittany's tide is about 40 feet ( rocks of this sort are adjuscent to A:LL channels ) , Normandy tides are about 50 feet but rocks are fewer ( At San St. Michele for instance the distance the tides ebb and return is about 15 miles accross the sands ! ) . Needless to say errors in piloting can be most unforgiving . Year before last we cruised , with our friends, who some of you have met on the Erie Canal and at the Trawler Fest in Solomons -- aboard their boat - from South Hampton to explore the Channel Islands and the coast of Brittany . The passage from SH to Jersey - accross the shipping lane of the Channel - was made fog with visibility of less than 100 yds - as were at least two other passages - to Cherborg and later Pampol . There were about 25 boats on this ' cruise in company ' all using radar ! At almost each stop we were harbor bound for several days due to fronts from the Atlantic hitting the coast . This too is quite common - everyone waits for a weather window and goes like hell to the next port ( just like waiting for a weather window for the D Day invasion ) .. We ended up leaving the boat in Jersey because of high frontal winds - 60 mph inside the walled harbor - God only knows what the windspeed was outside -- and taking the ferry back to to Poole . This too is a part of normal boating over there and no one gets to upset about it . Will be off the list as of Monday - to again cruise in the UK and Normandy . Ports of the cruise plan include : South Hampton , Brighton, Dover , London , Teddington , Limehouse, Chatham, Nieuport ( Bel) , Calais, Boulogne, Frecamp, Deauville, Cowes - and back to South Hampton - adjustments for weather are always neccessary - so at least 50 % of the above may be considered as wishful thinking ! All the Best Ken

JD

Joe DellaFera

Wed, Jun 26, 2002 3:47 PM

At 10:20 AM 06/26/2002 -0400, Wesley Eldred wrote:

At the following website there is a rather remarkable picture of a
grounded yacht:

http://www.moonraker.dk/danish/Seneste%20nyt/Sidste%20nyt.htm

If we have someone on the list that can translate from the Danish, it
would be interesting to learn what led to this grounding and how badly
the craft was damaged.

Thank you

Wesley

I don't speak the language but I would guess this qualifies as an "Urban
Legend". Unless ofcourse the rock is about 8 feet taller then can be seen
in the picture and extends through the hull to a point way above the center
of gravity. BTW: "oprindelig fik produceret til sig selv" I think may
translate into "April Fool" or "see what I can do with my new photo
program". ...jd
Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray
36' Prairie DC "Prairie Star"
Pompano Beach, Fl.

At 10:20 AM 06/26/2002 -0400, Wesley Eldred wrote: >At the following website there is a rather remarkable picture of a >grounded yacht: > >http://www.moonraker.dk/danish/Seneste%20nyt/Sidste%20nyt.htm > >If we have someone on the list that can translate from the Danish, it >would be interesting to learn what led to this grounding and how badly >the craft was damaged. > >Thank you > >Wesley I don't speak the language but I would guess this qualifies as an "Urban Legend". Unless ofcourse the rock is about 8 feet taller then can be seen in the picture and extends through the hull to a point way above the center of gravity. BTW: "oprindelig fik produceret til sig selv" I think may translate into "April Fool" or "see what I can do with my new photo program". ...jd Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray 36' Prairie DC "Prairie Star" Pompano Beach, Fl.

RR

Ron Rogers

Wed, Jun 26, 2002 4:37 PM

Joe,

Admittedly, the picture itself looks phony. But it is very low resolution
and that gives it a dull, grainy feel.

However, there are details that suggest it is real. Note that the two flags
visible are pointing in the same direction. Also note the two lines hanging
down into the water. It's either a good forgery or a poor picture.

It could be a true story with a phony picture to illustrate it. Since
someone is looking for the original article, I think that we should suspend
judgement.

Ron Rogers
Annapolis, MD

Joe, Admittedly, the picture itself looks phony. But it is very low resolution and that gives it a dull, grainy feel. However, there are details that suggest it is real. Note that the two flags visible are pointing in the same direction. Also note the two lines hanging down into the water. It's either a good forgery or a poor picture. It could be a true story with a phony picture to illustrate it. Since someone is looking for the original article, I think that we should suspend judgement. Ron Rogers Annapolis, MD

B

becker@probst.de

Wed, Jun 26, 2002 8:43 PM

I don't speak the language but I would guess this qualifies as an
"Urban
Legend

Motor Boats Monthly 04/2002: Mr. Allan Waller, owner of this Moonraker Super
36 Power Game II and his friend (Moonrakerowner too), was out for a farewell
trip, before he sells his boat. They left Alderny at high water, wind NO 3-4,
directing to Guernsey. Mr. Walker gave his friend a course to the Little Russel
Channel and went downstairs. He soon realized an unexpected position, gave a
new course to bring them back to the channel and reduced speed to 12 kn:

It was 20 min after high water and although we were close to neaps there was
7,6 m of tide . There was a huge bang as we went from 12 kn to dead stop the
rock was 0.5 m under water As we were rowing away from the boat he (Marine
Salvage Company) emerged from under her and gave us a thumbs-up sign, so I knew
she was not badly damaged During the (next) night, at high tide, he got the
boat of the rock stern-first, and she was craned out at 0130 The insurers
final bill will be somewhere in excess of 30,000$ and the result is a boat that
is arguably better than the one that ran aground.

Burkhard Becker

> I don't speak the language but I would guess this qualifies as an > "Urban > Legend Motor Boats Monthly 04/2002: Mr. Allan Waller, owner of this Moonraker Super 36 Power Game II and his friend (Moonrakerowner too), was out for a farewell trip, before he sells his boat. They left Alderny at high water, wind NO 3-4, directing to Guernsey. Mr. Walker gave his friend a course to the Little Russel Channel and went downstairs. He soon realized an unexpected position, gave a new course to bring them back to the channel and reduced speed to 12 kn: It was 20 min after high water and although we were close to neaps there was 7,6 m of tide . There was a huge bang as we went from 12 kn to dead stop the rock was 0.5 m under water As we were rowing away from the boat he (Marine Salvage Company) emerged from under her and gave us a thumbs-up sign, so I knew she was not badly damaged During the (next) night, at high tide, he got the boat of the rock stern-first, and she was craned out at 0130 The insurers final bill will be somewhere in excess of 30,000$ and the result is a boat that is arguably better than the one that ran aground. Burkhard Becker

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