Since we do not add french books we do not add spanish nor japanese ones. On Sep 8, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Ricardo Moran wrote: > You should add Diego Gomez Deck book "Programando con Smalltalk". It's in spanish so it may not be the most popular but I believe it's a very nice book (although somewhat old now). > > It was the first smalltalk book I read and I learned the basics with it, so I'm very fond of this book :) > > Regarding the book translations discussion I think translating books is very important. Even though you still need to understand english to code smalltalk I still like to read books in my language. If you get the infrastructure right I'm willing to help translating stuff to spanish in my free time. > > Cheers > Richo > > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. <jecel@merlintec.com> wrote: > Bert Freudenberg wrote on Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:50:22 +0200 > > I for one am happy that there were enough books written about Smalltalk > > that we can have a competition. > > > > Thank you for organizing the contest, ESUG. > > I would also like to thank both ESUG for holding the contest and the > authors for their very valuable contribution to the community. While > Andreas does have a point about conflict of interest, it is unavoidable > due to the small size of our community (we had quite a bit of conflict > over this on squeak-dev last year, for example). It is like the small > town where the same guy is the sheriff, the auto repairman, the judge, > the fireman and so on. > > About the list itself, I did a quick search on Amazon for "smalltalk" > and found these others: > > Discovering Smalltalk (The Benjamin/Cummings Series in Object-Oriented > Software Engineering) > by Wilf Lalonde > (Paperback - Jan 17, 2008) - it seems to use Digitalk Smalltalk V, so > this is probably a new edition of an old book > > Advances in Smalltalk: 14th International Smaltalk Conference, ISC 2006, > Prague, Czech Republic, September 4-8, 2006, Revised Selected Papers > (Lecture ... / Programming and Software Engineering) > by Wolfgang De Meuter > (Paperback - May 18, 2007) > > Grundkurs Smalltalk - Objektorientierung von Anfang an > by Johannes Brauer > (Perfect Paperback - 2008) - in German > > Einsamkeit überwinden mit der TALISUND Strategie. Neue Menschen kennen > lernen - ohne Smalltalk. > by einsamkeit-ueberwinden.org > (Paperback - Mar 30, 2010) - in German > > The SICS Java Port Project: Automatic Translation of a Large Object > Oriented System from Smalltalk to Java > by Skarsaune Martin > (Paperback - Sep 15, 2008) - I would expect zero votes for this one :-) > > Self-Sustaining Systems: First Workshop, S3 2008 Potsdam, Germany, May > 15-16, 2008, Proceedings (Lecture Notes in Computer Science / > Programming and Software Engineering) > by Robert Hirschfeld and Kim Rose > (Paperback - Nov 21, 2008) > > Smalltalk Programming Language Family: Smalltalk, Squeak, Seaside, Ibm > Visualage, Scratch, Gnu Smalltalk, Visual Smalltalk Enterprise, Aida|web > by Books LLC > (Paperback - May 6, 2010) > > Dialecte Smalltalk: Squeak, Pharo, Gnu Smalltalk, Scratch, Bistro, > Visualworks > by Livres Groupe > (Paperback - Aug 1, 2010) - in French > > Class-Based Programming Languages: Java, C++, Python, Eiffel, Smalltalk, > Ruby, Simula, Common Lisp, Oberon, Clu, Objective-C, Squeak, Sather > by Books LLC > (Paperback - May 24, 2010) > > Dynamically-Typed Programming Languages: Lisp, Perl, Python, Mumps, > Smalltalk, Ruby, Logo, Tcl, Self, Common Lisp, Objective-C, Rebol, > Squeak > by Books LLC > (Paperback - May 26, 2010) > > Objektorientierte Programmiersprache: Php, Smalltalk-80, Embarcadero > Delphi, Oberon, Eiffel, Cluster, Haxe, Common Lisp, Pow!, Scratch, Lpc > by Bücher Gruppe > (Paperback - Jul 22, 2010) - in German > > Langage Orienté Objet: Java, C++, Ada, Javascript, Ruby, Python, > Codegear Delphi, Smalltalk, Kylix, Objective-C, Eiffel, Perl 6, Visual T > Sharp > by Livres Groupe > (Paperback - Jul 29, 2010) - in French > > Object-Oriented Programming Languages: Cobol, Java, C++, Perl, Fortran, > Python, Php, Eiffel, Smalltalk, Ruby, Blitz Basic, Turbo Pascal > by Books LLC > (Paperback - May 21, 2010) > > Ruby (Programming Language): Reflection (computer science), Dynamic > programming language, Object-oriented programming language, Perl, > Smalltalk, Yukihiro ... language), Ada (programming language) > by Frederic P. Miller, Agnes F. Vandome, and John McBrewster > (Paperback - Oct 12, 2009) > > I would say that the list is very reasonable without any of the above > books. Since I haven't read any of these nor the ones in the survey, I > won't be able to participate. But I find it great that people are still > taking the time to write new books. > > -- Jecel > > > >

Yes. Only english is accessible to the whole community. Note however that our more productive authors aren't native english speakers ;-) Noury On 8 sept. 2010, at 16:52, stephane ducasse wrote: > Since we do not add french books we do not add spanish nor japanese ones. > > On Sep 8, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Ricardo Moran wrote: > >> You should add Diego Gomez Deck book "Programando con Smalltalk". It's in spanish so it may not be the most popular but I believe it's a very nice book (although somewhat old now). >> >> It was the first smalltalk book I read and I learned the basics with it, so I'm very fond of this book :) >> >> Regarding the book translations discussion I think translating books is very important. Even though you still need to understand english to code smalltalk I still like to read books in my language. If you get the infrastructure right I'm willing to help translating stuff to spanish in my free time. >> >> Cheers >> Richo >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. <jecel@merlintec.com> wrote: >> Bert Freudenberg wrote on Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:50:22 +0200 >>> I for one am happy that there were enough books written about Smalltalk >>> that we can have a competition. >>> >>> Thank you for organizing the contest, ESUG. >> >> I would also like to thank both ESUG for holding the contest and the >> authors for their very valuable contribution to the community. While >> Andreas does have a point about conflict of interest, it is unavoidable >> due to the small size of our community (we had quite a bit of conflict >> over this on squeak-dev last year, for example). It is like the small >> town where the same guy is the sheriff, the auto repairman, the judge, >> the fireman and so on. >> >> About the list itself, I did a quick search on Amazon for "smalltalk" >> and found these others: >> >> Discovering Smalltalk (The Benjamin/Cummings Series in Object-Oriented >> Software Engineering) >> by Wilf Lalonde >> (Paperback - Jan 17, 2008) - it seems to use Digitalk Smalltalk V, so >> this is probably a new edition of an old book >> >> Advances in Smalltalk: 14th International Smaltalk Conference, ISC 2006, >> Prague, Czech Republic, September 4-8, 2006, Revised Selected Papers >> (Lecture ... / Programming and Software Engineering) >> by Wolfgang De Meuter >> (Paperback - May 18, 2007) >> >> Grundkurs Smalltalk - Objektorientierung von Anfang an >> by Johannes Brauer >> (Perfect Paperback - 2008) - in German >> >> Einsamkeit überwinden mit der TALISUND Strategie. Neue Menschen kennen >> lernen - ohne Smalltalk. >> by einsamkeit-ueberwinden.org >> (Paperback - Mar 30, 2010) - in German >> >> The SICS Java Port Project: Automatic Translation of a Large Object >> Oriented System from Smalltalk to Java >> by Skarsaune Martin >> (Paperback - Sep 15, 2008) - I would expect zero votes for this one :-) >> >> Self-Sustaining Systems: First Workshop, S3 2008 Potsdam, Germany, May >> 15-16, 2008, Proceedings (Lecture Notes in Computer Science / >> Programming and Software Engineering) >> by Robert Hirschfeld and Kim Rose >> (Paperback - Nov 21, 2008) >> >> Smalltalk Programming Language Family: Smalltalk, Squeak, Seaside, Ibm >> Visualage, Scratch, Gnu Smalltalk, Visual Smalltalk Enterprise, Aida|web >> by Books LLC >> (Paperback - May 6, 2010) >> >> Dialecte Smalltalk: Squeak, Pharo, Gnu Smalltalk, Scratch, Bistro, >> Visualworks >> by Livres Groupe >> (Paperback - Aug 1, 2010) - in French >> >> Class-Based Programming Languages: Java, C++, Python, Eiffel, Smalltalk, >> Ruby, Simula, Common Lisp, Oberon, Clu, Objective-C, Squeak, Sather >> by Books LLC >> (Paperback - May 24, 2010) >> >> Dynamically-Typed Programming Languages: Lisp, Perl, Python, Mumps, >> Smalltalk, Ruby, Logo, Tcl, Self, Common Lisp, Objective-C, Rebol, >> Squeak >> by Books LLC >> (Paperback - May 26, 2010) >> >> Objektorientierte Programmiersprache: Php, Smalltalk-80, Embarcadero >> Delphi, Oberon, Eiffel, Cluster, Haxe, Common Lisp, Pow!, Scratch, Lpc >> by Bücher Gruppe >> (Paperback - Jul 22, 2010) - in German >> >> Langage Orienté Objet: Java, C++, Ada, Javascript, Ruby, Python, >> Codegear Delphi, Smalltalk, Kylix, Objective-C, Eiffel, Perl 6, Visual T >> Sharp >> by Livres Groupe >> (Paperback - Jul 29, 2010) - in French >> >> Object-Oriented Programming Languages: Cobol, Java, C++, Perl, Fortran, >> Python, Php, Eiffel, Smalltalk, Ruby, Blitz Basic, Turbo Pascal >> by Books LLC >> (Paperback - May 21, 2010) >> >> Ruby (Programming Language): Reflection (computer science), Dynamic >> programming language, Object-oriented programming language, Perl, >> Smalltalk, Yukihiro ... language), Ada (programming language) >> by Frederic P. Miller, Agnes F. Vandome, and John McBrewster >> (Paperback - Oct 12, 2009) >> >> I would say that the list is very reasonable without any of the above >> books. Since I haven't read any of these nor the ones in the survey, I >> won't be able to participate. But I find it great that people are still >> taking the time to write new books. >> >> -- Jecel >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org Noury

On 08.09.2010 16:52, stephane ducasse wrote: > Since we do not add french books we do not add spanish nor japanese ones. >> The SICS Java Port Project: Automatic Translation of a Large Object >> Oriented System from Smalltalk to Java by Skarsaune Martin (Paperback >> - Sep 15, 2008) - I would expect zero votes for this one :-) While not a book on Smalltalk as such and thus not fitting for this contest, I actually found it an entertaining read! Mostly in a "So glad it wasn't me"-fashion, but still... :) Cheers, Henry

Sounds more about how to do silly things such as switching to Java. We want books that promotes Smalltalk ;-) Noury On 9 sept. 2010, at 00:18, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: > On 08.09.2010 16:52, stephane ducasse wrote: >> Since we do not add french books we do not add spanish nor japanese ones. >>> The SICS Java Port Project: Automatic Translation of a Large Object Oriented System from Smalltalk to Java by Skarsaune Martin (Paperback - Sep 15, 2008) - I would expect zero votes for this one :-) > While not a book on Smalltalk as such and thus not fitting for this contest, I actually found it an entertaining read! > Mostly in a "So glad it wasn't me"-fashion, but still... :) > > Cheers, > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org Noury