CaptnWil's Short Shots 001
^From time to time, information comes to CaptnWil. Some of the time that
information is in connection with current or past "works in progress."
Sometimes the information is enough for a full-featured article, but often
the information is only worth a paragraph or two. You, of course, could
decide that none of the information is worth any post at all, and if you do,
if you let me know, it will cease. But otherwise, this series will be about
some of those minor bits of information.
OIL SAMPLES FOR LAB ANALYSIS
The general advice one gets on taking oil samples from the literature
included with a sample kit is to take the sample when the oil is drained.
But why would you ever want to do that. If the result you get from the lab
says that you don't need to change oil, how do you get back what you have
just drained? CaptnWil doesn't think you do.
The very best way to take an oil sample is to do some plumbing on your
engine so that you can just open a valve and take a sample while the engine
is still running. That way you get a sample that is actually being pumped
through the engine, and that is just what you are concerned about.
However, if you don't do the plumbing, you still need a way to take an oil
sample without draining the oil from your engine, and that sample needs to
be as near to what is pumped through the engine as possible. If it is safe
to take the sample while the engine is still running, that is the time to do
it, but you should never endanger life or limb when taking oil samples.
Most of the time, that means taking the sample after the engine has been
stopped. If that is the case, the sample should be taken as soon as
possible after the engine is stopped so that heavy contaminates won't settle
below the sample point.
Normally the most vexing problem is how to take the sample. You have a
sample bottle and an oil pan full of oil and no way to get them together.
Those who use a Portable Oil Analyzer (POA) have syringe-like apparatus with
which to take the sample, but it has so little capacity that it isn't
convenient for a full laboratory sample.
It is important that the sample is not contaminated with the residue from
previous samples. An excellent solution to this problem is a clever device
sold by Caterpillar distributors - it may be available elsewhere also, but
it is so clever that it has a patent number. A standard oil sample bottle
will screw into the device on one side and a 1/4-inch or 5/16-inch tube can
be pushed into the bottle from the other side. Then a fitting with an
O-ring can be tightened around the tube for an air tight fit. After
assembling the parts and inserting the other end of the tube into the
dipstick connection, the oil can be pumped directly into the sample bottle
by operating the device's pump handle. If you are just a little careful: no
runs, no drips, no errors, and above all no contamination from a previous
sample. The whole thing is only about 8-inches long and very compact. Its
price is in the $23.00 range.
If you purchase your laboratory sample kit from Caterpillar, a section of
tubing that fits the device comes with the kit. But if you use someone
else's oil sample kit, you can buy the tubing at your local hardware
store -- mine was $0.09 and $0.12 per foot. If you use a new section of
tubing each time and follow the instructions, you will always get
uncontaminated samples.
The next problem is how to get the sample tubing to the correct location in
the drain pan. The answer is so obviously simple that CaptnWil is ashamed
to admit that it took him many tries before he mastered the obvious. The
position of the end of the dipstick in the oil pan is the correct location
from which to take the sample. No matter how you draw the sample through
the dipstick-tube, insert the sampling tube into the dipstick-tube to a
depth equal to the length of the dipstick - you may want to mark the
sampling tube to aid you the first few times. If you follow this procedure,
you'll get a perfect sample the first try. Until CaptnWil used this
procedure, it took him many tries and he felt like Third Class Seaman Wil.
FACTORY FILLS OF SYNTHETIC OIL
While the flood of synthetic oil has not yet overwhelmed the four-cycle
engine world in general, or the trawler world in particular, it is coming.
We all need to be aware of what is going on in connection with that
impending flood. That is the reason for CaptnWil's investigation into
synthetic oils and for this short shot.
Mobil reports that Chevrolet Corvette, Dodge Viper, all Porsches,
Mercedes-Benz AMG and all Aston-Martin cars come from the factory with Mobil
1 in the crankcase. It's not clear what the connection between these
manufacturers and one synthetic oil brand means except that they consider it
an advantage of some sort.
WHAT FILTERS CAN DO
A recent experience with a fresh-water cooling system pointed out how we
sometimes confuse just what filters do. The case in point is the
fresh-water cooling system on my 6BTA5.9 Cummins.
After seven years of neglect, a bypass filter was installed in the cooling
system. The results were phenomenal. A few hours of running time after the
installation, laboratory analysis disclosed the coolant to be in perfect
condition except that the ethylene glycol percentage was low and the
additive package was weak. After changing the coolant -- reinstalling the
additive package, the antifreeze has stayed in perfect condition. The
bypass filter element has been changed often since then.
This week, all the hoses and belts were changed for the upcoming summer
season. It was shocking to see all those scale deposits and mild rust on
the wire coils in the old radiator hoses. At the same time, the antifreeze
was perfect. It was drained and reused. There was not even one piece of
sediment in the container.
The obvious conclusion must be that the filter works on the fluid and the
fluid must work on the cooling parts to keep them clean from scale buildup
and rust. The problem here was that the seven years of neglect had
exhausted the antifreeze additive package whose job is to protect the system
from all the bad things.
To make things right, a cooling cleaning package was circulated in the
engine for forty-minutes, followed by flushing with fresh water and
refilling with antifreeze. While the cleaning was going on, the bypass
filter valve was closed. When the system was put back in operating
condition, the bypass filter was returned to the system.
You might expect that all the crud removed from the surfaces by the cleaning
process drained from the system when the system was drained, but you would
be wrong. After less than an hour of running time on the engine, the bypass
filter element was inspected. It had more junk on it than I have ever seen
before. Its color was also different than I have ever seen before. I
changed it, and you can believe that I'll run it a while and inspect it
again.
The moral is that all that junk circulating in the system after the cleaning
was up to no good and demonstrates to me the great advantage on installing a
bypass filter in every fresh water cooling system as well as keeping up with
the antifreeze additive package.
The reality is that we should always remember just what the filter is doing.
In most straight filtering situations like a diesel fuel filter, the
filter's sole function is to remove junk and water from the diesel and leave
the fluid clean and pure.
In oil and coolant bypass filter situations, the filter's function is to
remove the junk and water just like the straight filtering case, but in
addition, the filtered fluid must be able to do its job. The motor oil
additive package must do its job in accumulating the crud from the products
of combustion that get into the oil for the filter to remove, and the
cooling system must already be in a clean condition so the antifreeze
package can maintain the surfaces.
The success of our filter applications depends, in large measure, on how
well we understand and attend to these concepts.
CaptnWil, Ret
40 Pier Pointe
New Bern NC 28562
(252) 636-3601
captnwil@coastalnet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Wil Andrews captnwil@coastalnet.com
OIL SAMPLES FOR LAB ANALYSIS
An excellent solution to this problem is a clever device
sold by Caterpillar distributors - it may be available elsewhere also,
It is. The one we carry is called a "Vampire" and it perfectly matches your
description. I suspect that anyone that sells a significant number of sample
kits would keep a couple of these in stock.
FACTORY FILLS OF SYNTHETIC OIL
Mobil reports that Chevrolet Corvette, Dodge Viper, all Porsches,
Mercedes-Benz AMG and all Aston-Martin cars come from the factory with
Mobil
1 in the crankcase. It's not clear what the connection between these
manufacturers and one synthetic oil brand means except that they consider
it
an advantage of some sort.
This reflects a standard Mobil Oil marketing practice and should not be
considered a de facto endorsement of Mobil 1 over other synthetic or even
mineral based oils. Mobil is, at minimum, selling the product to these
automakers at a loss and is more likely virtually giving it to them in
exchange for a notation in the owners manual or a sticker on the valve cover
that says something like "This engine initially filled with Mobil 1". Mobil
also can advertise that these high end cars use Mobil 1 "so just think how
well it'll work in the family station wagon!". None of this is meant to
imply that there's anything wrong with Mobil 1. It's a fine product, but the
purchasing decision should be based on one's own needs and not spin doctored
marketing claims.
Cynically yours,
Alex
Alex Hirsekorn wrote:
"This engine initially filled with Mobil 1". Mobil
also can advertise that these high end cars use Mobil 1 "so just think how
well it'll work in the family station wagon!". None of this is meant to
imply that there's anything wrong with Mobil 1. It's a fine product, but the
purchasing decision should be based on one's own needs and not spin doctored
marketing claims.
Cynically yours,
Alex
-- Just wondering how many lubrication products on the market today that
these auto manufacturers WOULD NOT put these products in their engines
no matter what or how much the financial compensation?? I would guess a
bunch, aay??
Cheers,
Dick
Capt Dick Schroder
43' Gulfstar trawler
"Panhandler"
docked Jeffersonville IN
812-246-4822
Just to make sure we're all on the same page, CaptnWil does not have enough
information to give an opinion about the merits of one synthetic oil over
another. The synthetic investigation is truly a "work in progress." It is
trying to determine if any facts can be obtained by methods available to us
common people to shed any light on the debate between synthetic and
petroleum-based oil. The references to Mobil products are just because they
are the ones I am using in my investigation. Some of the "Short Shots" will
be just reporting information that comes in and appears interesting. After
all, the Captain still gets to "wreck" the boat.
CaptnWil, Ret
40 Pier Pointe
New Bern NC 28562
(252) 636-3601
captnwil@coastalnet.com
Alex Hirsekorn wrote:
"This engine initially filled with Mobil 1". Mobil
also can advertise that these high end cars use Mobil 1 "so just think
how
well it'll work in the family station wagon!". None of this is meant to
imply that there's anything wrong with Mobil 1. It's a fine product, but
the
purchasing decision should be based on one's own needs and not spin
doctored
marketing claims.
Capt Dick Schroder
-- Just wondering how many lubrication products on the market today that
these auto manufacturers WOULD NOT put these products in their engines
no matter what or how much the financial compensation?? I would guess a
bunch, aay??
The oil analysis kits I use (available from my Detroit Diesel dealer)
include a long flexible sample tube and the sample bottle itself is made
like a little accordian. You squeeze the bottle down then insert the sample
tube down the dipstick tube and the sample bottle draws the engine oil
right out of the engine. Cap the bottle, drop it in the special mailer,
and send it off. Each accordian bottle comes with a new sample tube. Costs
about $12.00.
Frank Timpano
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Schroder oilpans@thepoint.net
-- Just wondering how many lubrication products on the market today that
these auto manufacturers WOULD NOT put these products in their engines
no matter what or how much the financial compensation?? I would guess a
bunch, aay??
Hi Dick,
You're right that there are lots of oils that wouldn't pass muster for a
brand new Porsche or, for that matter, the new family wagon. The same can be
said for a new 18 wheeler or a new trawler engine. The reasons behind the
facts may be somewhat different than you think though. I'm going to use
Exxon products as an example since I work for a jobber/distributor of that
brand and I have their product manual on my desk.
750 Approximate number of products made by Exxon.
682 Approximate number of NON-engine products (Hyd, Gear, Grease, etc).
68 Number of Engine oils.
26 Number of railroad and ship engine oils.
11 Number of aviation engine oils.
15 Number of commercial engine oils (trucks, heavy equip, & trawlers).
15 Number of automotive engine oils (including 2 cycle oil).
The vast majority of diesel engine builders specify 15w40 for their new
engines and almost all of the remainder call for a 10w30. Exxon makes 3 of
each type.
The primary recommendation for most new cars is a 5w30 although there are
circumstances that will change that to 0w30, 10w30, or even 20w50. Depending
how you look at it there are between 8 and 10 Exxon products that fall
within those boundaries.
The bottom line is that if you have a new engine and you visit an Exxon
distributor there are at least 740 products available that are the WRONG
thing for you.
Looking at the same question from a different angle, if you have a new
engine (car, truck, or trawler) you should never have a problem finding a
suitable oil for it. The folks who make the engines and those who make the
lubricants are in constant communication with each other as well as with
government regulators and standards organizations like API and SAE (and a
whole alphabet full of others). All that cross talk ensures that new oil
requirements will be met in a timely manner.
Sometimes, better than timely. Most of the oil companies had "CH-4" oil on
the market as much as a year before there actually was such a standard.
There was some disagreement about part of the CH-4 standard so, rather than
waiting, everyone formulated oils that would cover the standard regardless
of who won the argument.
Statistically yours,
Alex
If anyone wants to see a Vampire oil sampler the website is
www.easyvac.com
Very easy to use and a good way to do oil samples
David Keese
Houma, La
alabat
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Hirsekorn alexh@gte.net
To: Trawler World List trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 11:14 AM
Subject: TWL: Re: CaptnWil's Short Shots 001
----- Original Message -----
From: Wil Andrews captnwil@coastalnet.com
OIL SAMPLES FOR LAB ANALYSIS
An excellent solution to this problem is a clever device
sold by Caterpillar distributors - it may be available elsewhere also,
It is. The one we carry is called a "Vampire" and it perfectly matches
your
description. I suspect that anyone that sells a significant number of
sample
kits would keep a couple of these in stock.
That looks exactly like the unit sold by Caterpillar -- even to the same
yellow color of the plastic. It works very well.
CaptnWil, Ret
40 Pier Pointe
New Bern NC 28562
(252) 636-3601
captnwil@coastalnet.com
If anyone wants to see a Vampire oil sampler the website is
www.easyvac.com
Very easy to use and a good way to do oil samples