-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] law and regulation applying to time.. was Re: OOPS on my wwv legal post Datum: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 11:25:44 +0200 Von: Dr. Götz Romahn <goetz@g-romahn.de> An: Dr. David Kirkby <drkirkby@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> For German regulations see here: https://www.ptb.de/cms/en/ptb/fachabteilungen/abt4/fb-44/ag-442/dissemination-of-legal-time.html Götz Am 31.08.2018 um 00:30 schrieb Dr. David Kirkby: > On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 at 14:03, jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> >> There may well be a law in the United States, probably buried in some >> enabling or appropriating bill, that says "The Department of Commerce >> shall provide national standards for mass, time, voltage, etc." but >> that doesn't say "and all residents of the United States shall use only >> the standard provided by the Department of Commerce, and no other" >> >> What about Germany? Notoriously it is "Das Land der Gebote, der >> Vorschriften, und der Verbote." (Commandments, regulations, and >> prohibitions) >> > > > In the UK there are laws requiring metric for most things - beer being one > obvious exception I can think of, as I had 3 pints today. > > https://www.gov.uk/guidance/packaged-goods-weights-and-measures-regulations > > That said, it references the "1985 Weights and measures Act" > > http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1985/72/contents > > which refers to "United Kingdom primary standards and authorised copies of > the primary standards." > > The United Kingdom primary standards shall be— > > (a)in the case of the yard, the bar described in Part I of Schedule 2 to > this Act; > > (b)in the case of the pound, the cylinder described in Part II of that > Schedule; > > (c)in the case of the metre, the bar described in Part III of that Schedule; > > (d)in the case of the kilogram, the cylinder described in Part IV of that > Schedule. > > Then going to the metre definition, it talks of an X shaped bar > > http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1985/72/schedule/2 > > I believe that is almost certainly the one held at NPL, and was on display > at the recent "NPL Open House". However, it makes no reference to NPL > directly. > > There was a case of a butcher not too far from me who refused to sell meat > in kg. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/629763.stm > > I believe he died before going to prison, but he was quite adamant he would > not sell in kg. It would have been interesting if he priced his meat at £12 > / 0.45454545454545454545454545454545454545454545454545454545454545454 kg, > which would be £12/pound. > > When it comes to time (the subject of this list), I'm not sure where the UK > stands legally. I will ask on the newgroup uk.legal.moderated > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/uk.legal.moderated > > which is visited by solicitors, students of law, and people wanting legal > advice. > > Dr David Kirkby Ph.D C.Eng MIET > Kirkby Microwave Ltd > Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, CHELMSFORD, > Essex, CM3 6DT, United Kingdom. > Registered in England and Wales as company number 08914892 > https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ > Tel 01621-680100 / +44 1621-680100 > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > -- Götz Romahn

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:31 AM Dr. Götz Romahn <goetz@g-romahn.de> wrote: > > For German regulations see here: > https://www.ptb.de/cms/en/ptb/fachabteilungen/abt4/fb-44/ag-442/dissemination-of-legal-time.html > Götz > CET is derived from UTC https://www.ptb.de/cms/en/ptb/fachabteilungen/abt4/fb-44/ag-441/realisation-of-legal-time-in-germany.html

From: shouldbe q931 [] On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:31 AM Dr. Götz Romahn <goetz@g-romahn.de> wrote: > > For German regulations see here: > https://www.ptb.de/cms/en/ptb/fachabteilungen/abt4/fb-44/ag-442/dissemination-of-legal-time.html > Götz > CET is derived from UTC https://www.ptb.de/cms/en/ptb/fachabteilungen/abt4/fb-44/ag-441/realisation-of-legal-time-in-germany.html ====================================== Which contains the interesting statement: "The Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt PTB is entrusted by the Time Act to realise and disseminate legal time to the public. The most popular means is the transmission of standard frequency and time signals by the transmitter DCF77 (Working Group 4.42)." DCF77 being the 77.5 kHz transmitter. Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software for you Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk Twitter: @gm8arv