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Jake2124@aol.com
Mon, Jan 23, 2006 4:49 PM

Does anyone out there know why older fiberglass boats get repainted instead
of being re-gel coated? Paint is advertised to last 5 years or so, and the
original gel coat lasts about 20 plus years. They repair damaged gel coat to like
new by spraying, etc, and believe it if not, gel coat costs a hell of a lot
less than paint.

Brian

Does anyone out there know why older fiberglass boats get repainted instead of being re-gel coated? Paint is advertised to last 5 years or so, and the original gel coat lasts about 20 plus years. They repair damaged gel coat to like new by spraying, etc, and believe it if not, gel coat costs a hell of a lot less than paint. Brian
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Pascal Gademer
Mon, Jan 23, 2006 5:28 PM

a quality paint job will last MUCH longer than 5 years... awlgrip, imron,
etc.. you routinely see 80s or even 70s vintage hatteras for instance with
their original paint.  on the other hands, some gel coat get all chalky
after 4 or 5 years and require a lot of maintenance (buffing, waxing,
etc...)

some paints (awlgrip) are virtually maintenance free requiring no waxing.

can you just spray gelcoat?  i thought it had to be covered or sealed to
cure?

pascal
miami, fl
70 hatteras 53my
----- Original Message -----
From: Jake2124@aol.com
To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: T&T: Gel Coat

Does anyone out there know why older fiberglass boats get repainted
instead
of being re-gel coated? Paint is advertised to last 5 years or so, and the
original gel coat lasts about 20 plus years. They repair damaged gel coat
to like
new by spraying, etc, and believe it if not, gel coat costs a hell of a
lot
less than paint.

Brian


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a quality paint job will last MUCH longer than 5 years... awlgrip, imron, etc.. you routinely see 80s or even 70s vintage hatteras for instance with their original paint. on the other hands, some gel coat get all chalky after 4 or 5 years and require a lot of maintenance (buffing, waxing, etc...) some paints (awlgrip) are virtually maintenance free requiring no waxing. can you just spray gelcoat? i thought it had to be covered or sealed to cure? pascal miami, fl 70 hatteras 53my ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jake2124@aol.com> To: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: T&T: Gel Coat > Does anyone out there know why older fiberglass boats get repainted > instead > of being re-gel coated? Paint is advertised to last 5 years or so, and the > original gel coat lasts about 20 plus years. They repair damaged gel coat > to like > new by spraying, etc, and believe it if not, gel coat costs a hell of a > lot > less than paint. > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe send email to > trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.
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Arild Jensen
Mon, Jan 23, 2006 6:40 PM

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian,
Does anyone out there know why older fiberglass boats get repainted
instead
of being re-gel coated? Paint is advertised to last 5 years or so, and
the
original gel coat lasts about 20 plus years. They repair damaged gel
coat to like
new by spraying, etc, and believe it if not, gel coat costs a hell of a
lot
less than paint.

Brian

We recoated a hull with gelcoat at one yard I worked in. The amount of
sanding and compounding required to bring the gelcoat up to a full gloss
was phenomenal.
The yard super swore - never again!! - it is simply too time consuming
and expensive compared to fairing and painting.  And the newer paints
last a long time.

Arild

-----Original Message----- From: Brian, Does anyone out there know why older fiberglass boats get repainted instead of being re-gel coated? Paint is advertised to last 5 years or so, and the original gel coat lasts about 20 plus years. They repair damaged gel coat to like new by spraying, etc, and believe it if not, gel coat costs a hell of a lot less than paint. Brian We recoated a hull with gelcoat at one yard I worked in. The amount of sanding and compounding required to bring the gelcoat up to a full gloss was phenomenal. The yard super swore - never again!! - it is simply too time consuming and expensive compared to fairing and painting. And the newer paints last a long time. Arild
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David
Mon, Jan 23, 2006 10:09 PM

From: Brian,
Does anyone out there know why older fiberglass boats get repainted
instead  of being re-gel coated?

snip>

Gel coat is normally a polyester resin formulated to apply as the outside
coat on a fiberglass mold. Gel coat has two main functions.

  1. to hide the fiberglass pattern
  2. to provide color and gloss to the final finish.

A few boat manufacturers use a specialized gel coat in their molds to
accomplish just one of these tasks and that is to hide the fiberglass
pattern. Hatteras would be one of these. They and others of their ilk spray
the molds with just enough resin to hide the fiber print thru.

Very simplified, if you use a gel coat your mold must be near perfect
because any flaws will end up on your boat. As everyone has read in this
forum, blemishes and damage to gel coats are hard to repair. Manufacturers
painting boats as a finish do not have to be so careful with the mold but
will require more steps to finish the boat. They have to prep and paint.

Urethanes have better gloss and color retention than polyesters under most
circumstances. But they cannot be applied thickly as a gel coat so they
can't hide the fiberglass pattern. Polyester can do both jobs. Also the
polyester is thick and uniform thru the thickness so you can polish off the
sun destroyed layer, wax it to help keep the sun off and your back to the a
good finish again. Urethanes can be buffed up too but they are usually only
5-6 mils thick so you run the risk of going right thru or more likely
you'll grind it down too far and the sun will get to the undercoats and it
will time to re-paint.

I'm sure that both Hatteras and the gel coat boat makers have a longer list
of things for their gel coats or lack of gel coats to do, but the above
covers the big picture.

Skooch
Hatteras LRC 42, repainted 2003 with Interlux Urethane. I will use there
new one next time.

David Stahl


           Beacon Technologies Inc.
          Serving The Delaware Valley
   Business and Residential Internet Services
>From: Brian, >Does anyone out there know why older fiberglass boats get repainted >instead of being re-gel coated? snip> Gel coat is normally a polyester resin formulated to apply as the outside coat on a fiberglass mold. Gel coat has two main functions. 1. to hide the fiberglass pattern 2. to provide color and gloss to the final finish. A few boat manufacturers use a specialized gel coat in their molds to accomplish just one of these tasks and that is to hide the fiberglass pattern. Hatteras would be one of these. They and others of their ilk spray the molds with just enough resin to hide the fiber print thru. Very simplified, if you use a gel coat your mold must be near perfect because any flaws will end up on your boat. As everyone has read in this forum, blemishes and damage to gel coats are hard to repair. Manufacturers painting boats as a finish do not have to be so careful with the mold but will require more steps to finish the boat. They have to prep and paint. Urethanes have better gloss and color retention than polyesters under most circumstances. But they cannot be applied thickly as a gel coat so they can't hide the fiberglass pattern. Polyester can do both jobs. Also the polyester is thick and uniform thru the thickness so you can polish off the sun destroyed layer, wax it to help keep the sun off and your back to the a good finish again. Urethanes can be buffed up too but they are usually only 5-6 mils thick so you run the risk of going right thru or more likely you'll grind it down too far and the sun will get to the undercoats and it will time to re-paint. I'm sure that both Hatteras and the gel coat boat makers have a longer list of things for their gel coats or lack of gel coats to do, but the above covers the big picture. Skooch Hatteras LRC 42, repainted 2003 with Interlux Urethane. I will use there new one next time. David Stahl ************************************************************** Beacon Technologies Inc. Serving The Delaware Valley Business and Residential Internet Services