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TWL: Diesel engine surging

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LRZeitlin@aol.com
Sat, Jul 12, 2003 9:20 PM

I would like to thank all the people who offered suggestions on diesel engine
surging. Three causal factors were mentioned. The most common suggestion was
an air leak in a low pressure fuel line or a faulty filter gasket. Also
mentioned was the possibility of a power consuming device, i.e. a generator,
temporarily shutting off, another was slippage in the transmission (I didn't want to
really hear that). On a run today I carefully monitored the engine to document
the symptoms.

Like most watched devices, nothing untoward happened for the first hour. Then
the engine surged for a few seconds, running a bit faster before returned to
normal. I had time to note the ampere dial and saw that the batteries were
still charging. I don't have a speed indicator on my boat but I do have a shaft
speed tachometer. The shaft rpm increased as the engine surged, possibly
eliminating transmission clutch slippage. The fuel line on my boat is only under
negative pressure for a short distance, from the tank to the large primary fuel
filter to the lift pump, a total distance of about 2 feet. From the lift pump
on the line is under positive pressure. If there is a leak, fuel should leak
out rather than air leaking in. I'll check all lines for leaks again and even
replace the secondary fuel filter and gaskets.

I can imagine only two more possibilities, one is a partial blockage in the
fuel return line from the secondary filter to the tank, letting fuel pressure
temporarily build up. The other is something wrong with the governer on the
injection pump.

Paraphrasing Sherlock Holmes, when you eliminate all the probable causes,
what remains, no matter how improbable, is the culprit. It's one of the great
mysteries of the sea.

Larry Z

I would like to thank all the people who offered suggestions on diesel engine surging. Three causal factors were mentioned. The most common suggestion was an air leak in a low pressure fuel line or a faulty filter gasket. Also mentioned was the possibility of a power consuming device, i.e. a generator, temporarily shutting off, another was slippage in the transmission (I didn't want to really hear that). On a run today I carefully monitored the engine to document the symptoms. Like most watched devices, nothing untoward happened for the first hour. Then the engine surged for a few seconds, running a bit faster before returned to normal. I had time to note the ampere dial and saw that the batteries were still charging. I don't have a speed indicator on my boat but I do have a shaft speed tachometer. The shaft rpm increased as the engine surged, possibly eliminating transmission clutch slippage. The fuel line on my boat is only under negative pressure for a short distance, from the tank to the large primary fuel filter to the lift pump, a total distance of about 2 feet. From the lift pump on the line is under positive pressure. If there is a leak, fuel should leak out rather than air leaking in. I'll check all lines for leaks again and even replace the secondary fuel filter and gaskets. I can imagine only two more possibilities, one is a partial blockage in the fuel return line from the secondary filter to the tank, letting fuel pressure temporarily build up. The other is something wrong with the governer on the injection pump. Paraphrasing Sherlock Holmes, when you eliminate all the probable causes, what remains, no matter how improbable, is the culprit. It's one of the great mysteries of the sea. Larry Z
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Bob
Sat, Jul 12, 2003 10:00 PM

The shaft rpm increased as the engine surged, possibly
eliminating transmission clutch slippage.

Yes; I would think so. You should also see the bow rise a bit during the surge,
this will surely eliminate the tranny, since you are seeing MORE power, not less
load.

filter to the lift pump, a total distance of about 2 feet.

Ahhhhh..... something I forgot to mention in my last post. The lift pump! It has
a gause filter under the top, the top is secured on by screws, and there is a
gasket there as well; another possible trouble spot.

Regards
Bob

--

  Bob &  Kelly
  M/V Tamara B

http://www.tamara-b.org

Quoting LRZeitlin@aol.com: > The shaft rpm increased as the engine surged, possibly > eliminating transmission clutch slippage. Yes; I would think so. You should also see the bow rise a bit during the surge, this will surely eliminate the tranny, since you are seeing MORE power, not less load. > filter to the lift pump, a total distance of about 2 feet. Ahhhhh..... something I forgot to mention in my last post. The lift pump! It has a gause filter under the top, the top is secured on by screws, and there is a gasket there as well; another possible trouble spot. Regards Bob -- ------------------------- Bob & Kelly M/V Tamara B http://www.tamara-b.org --------------------------