Travelling north to the Whitsunday Islands in Australia close to the end of a 540 nm not stop passage, our radar came alight with a field of green AIS targets anchored in a zone off the port of Mackay, about 10 km out. These were ships waiting to be loaded up with coal, and all ships were tightly packed, and none of course were underway. We decided to leave them to sea and head almost due north when clearing the zone, but found red radar targets continuing on as the AIS maxed out at 70 targets. We decided to bite the bullet and thread our way through the Armada. Big mistake was not to turn our AIS transceiver off when we did it as our VHF went mental with chatter about a very nimble target moving through the zone. It was like a Chinese laundry declaring it had just run out of washing power. On our way south next month we will leave them well to shore to save some angst. Regards, Peter Sheppard N55#38 -----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2007 2:00 PM To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Subject: Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 33, Issue 11 Send Passagemaking-Under-Power mailing list submissions to passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com You can reach the person managing the list at passagemaking-under-power-owner@lists.samurai.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Passagemaking-Under-Power digest..." Today's Topics: 1. European/American Shorepower (Philip Eslinger) 2. European/American Shorepower (Philip Eslinger) 3. More AIS (Dave Cooper) 4. Re: More AIS (John Marshall) 5. Re: More AIS (Dave Cooper) 6. Re: Pepper Spray (Bob Owens) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:14:11 -0600 From: Philip Eslinger <pslinger@mindspring.com> Subject: [PUP] European/American Shorepower To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Message-ID: <B2D5F1D1-951F-441D-9BBE-DC163B9FE519@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" John, Next year, we plan to leave Hawaii headed across the Pacific. High on our list of priorities is getting two of the Xantrex battery chargers for dealing with European power. We are looking at the Xantrex XC5012 multi chemistry battery chargers. They handle input voltages from 100 to 260 VAC and can be configured to charge our AGM batteries. All of our appliances would then be run from battery power through the inverter with no adjustments. I'm still working through the details on how to run the air conditioning yet, but I have some good advice. Below is the URL for the Xantex (sorry I don't know how to do the little URL thing). http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/ 10001/-1/10001/246849/377%20710/0/battery%20chargers/Primary%20Search/ mode%20matchallpartial/0/0?N=377%20710&Ne=0&Ntt=battery% 20chargers&Ntk=Primary%20Search&Ntx=mode% 20matchallpartial&Nao=0&Ns=0&keyword=battery% 20chargers&isLTokenURL=true&storeNum=null&subdeptNum=null&classNum=null Phil Eslinger Flat Earth N50 Ko Olina, Hi ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:03:16 -0600 From: Philip Eslinger <pslinger@mindspring.com> Subject: [PUP] European/American Shorepower To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Message-ID: <733368DF-B5E5-4633-8193-F93D0975C507@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to Bill's help, this is a much more manageable URL for the Xantrex charger: http://tinyurl.com/29r6tt Phil Eslinger Flat Earth ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:35:52 -0400 From: "Dave Cooper" <swansong@gmn-usa.com> Subject: [PUP] More AIS To: "'Passagemaking Under Power List'" <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Message-ID: <000701c7db74$e90f93f0$4b01a8c0@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Recently we have found ATON's that are AIS beacons. These have a very long range....we've seen them at 24 miles so far and they give you their exact location within 10 meters. Very good news I think as an additional nav aid. We don't seem to find that the software in plotters or the nav programs seem to handle them very well. They don't treat them as "ships" so you don't get a range and heading from them unless you move the curser to them. Has anyone encountered these yet and if so does your nav software treat them as you would expect..or perhaps it doesn't even "see" them. As always YMMV.. Dave & Nancy Swan Song Roughwater 58 Caribbean Cruise '07 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:18:01 -0700 From: John Marshall <johnamar1101@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PUP] More AIS To: Passagemaking Under Power List <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Message-ID: <762D3328-C405-4491-99BE-AB6B16E2F53C@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I've seen a number of things that report as "Base Stations" on AIS. Not sure it that's an ATON. I've seen them at ranges out to 60 miles. John Marshall N5520-Serendipity On Aug 10, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Dave Cooper wrote: > Recently we have found ATON's that are AIS beacons. These have a > very long > range....we've seen them at 24 miles so far and they give you their > exact > location within 10 meters. Very good news I think as an additional > nav aid. > > > > We don't seem to find that the software in plotters or the nav > programs seem > to handle them very well. They don't treat them as "ships" so you > don't get > a range and heading from them unless you move the curser to them. > > > > Has anyone encountered these yet and if so does your nav software > treat them > as you would expect..or perhaps it doesn't even "see" them. > > > > As always YMMV.. > > > > > > Dave & Nancy > > Swan Song > > Roughwater 58 > > Caribbean Cruise '07 > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:43:11 -0400 From: "Dave Cooper" <swansong@gmn-usa.com> Subject: Re: [PUP] More AIS To: "'Passagemaking Under Power List'" <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Message-ID: <002c01c7db86$af0576e0$4b01a8c0@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" <John wrote: I've seen a number of things that report as "Base Stations" on AIS. Not sure it that's an ATON. I've seen them at ranges out to 60 miles.> If I recall you have a Furuno AIS. Is this true or is my CRS acting up again? We have been told that these AIS units may be replacing lighthouses if they are on land and leading sea buoys if they are in the water. How much of this is true seems to be hard to find out. In the UK there are many many of these "base stations". More to follow according to a UL friend of mine. The new "smart buoys" will be equipped with SIS transmitters to help their identification and also as an ATON. Coastal Explorer only identifies them as "base stations" with their MMSI numbers, location and accuracy of location. I have an earlier version of the Captn which does a similar readout, Sea Clear also. Sure would be nice if the software computed the range, bearing, CPA, etc as it does on ships. I can see lots of great uses for all of this....looks like the software folks have to catch up with it. Cheers Dave & Nancy Swan Song Roughwater 58 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:38:54 -0700 From: "Bob Owens" <tugly@i-55.com> Subject: Re: [PUP] Pepper Spray To: <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Message-ID: <002d01c7dba1$f5691270$4201a8c0@tugly2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original How about a concoction of regular household ammonia cut with two thirds of water. Put it in a squirt bottle and hold off an army. Unless they are armed also. Rumor has it that it will stop an attacking dog in his tracks and will temporarily blind it just like pepper spray. I hope I'm right about the dilution formula. Maybe good against bears also. Maybe some one will try it and comment ; ) Bob Owens Tugly 26' Nordic Tug ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List End of Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 33, Issue 11 *********************************************************

Hi Peter, It was nice to see your posting and to hear that you are well and 'enjoying' cruising on your bright new boat. I have met Christine Bauman in Gibraltar when she arrived with the Medbound group from the Atlantic crossing. We even had dinner together in Gib and it was interesting to have met her. We are still in contact and she is now in Ibiza coming to our direction we will hope met up soon. We are now cruising the Baliarics Islands and falling in love with it by the minute. Hope you are enjoying your 55! I wish you all the best on your cruisings and less AIS targets! Sonaia Hermida :-) On 8/12/07, Peter Sheppard <Peter@petersheppard.com.au> wrote: > > Travelling north to the Whitsunday Islands in Australia close to the end > of a 540 nm not stop passage, our radar came alight with a field of > green AIS targets anchored in a zone off the port of Mackay, about 10 km > out. These were ships waiting to be loaded up with coal, and all ships > were tightly packed, and none of course were underway. > We decided to leave them to sea and head almost due north when clearing > the zone, but found red radar targets continuing on as the AIS maxed out > at 70 targets. We decided to bite the bullet and thread our way through > the Armada. Big mistake was not to turn our AIS transceiver off when we > did it as our VHF went mental with chatter about a very nimble target > moving through the zone. It was like a Chinese laundry declaring it had > just run out of washing power. > On our way south next month we will leave them well to shore to save > some angst. > Regards, > Peter Sheppard > N55#38 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com > [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf > Of passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com > Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2007 2:00 PM > To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com > Subject: Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 33, Issue 11 > > Send Passagemaking-Under-Power mailing list submissions to > passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > passagemaking-under-power-owner@lists.samurai.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Passagemaking-Under-Power digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. European/American Shorepower (Philip Eslinger) > 2. European/American Shorepower (Philip Eslinger) > 3. More AIS (Dave Cooper) > 4. Re: More AIS (John Marshall) > 5. Re: More AIS (Dave Cooper) > 6. Re: Pepper Spray (Bob Owens) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:14:11 -0600 > From: Philip Eslinger <pslinger@mindspring.com> > Subject: [PUP] European/American Shorepower > To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com > Message-ID: <B2D5F1D1-951F-441D-9BBE-DC163B9FE519@mindspring.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > John, > > Next year, we plan to leave Hawaii headed across the Pacific. High > on our list of priorities is getting two of the Xantrex battery > chargers for dealing with European power. We are looking at the > Xantrex XC5012 multi chemistry battery chargers. They handle input > voltages from 100 to 260 VAC and can be configured to charge our AGM > batteries. All of our appliances would then be run from battery > power through the inverter with no adjustments. I'm still working > through the details on how to run the air conditioning yet, but I > have some good advice. Below is the URL for the Xantex (sorry I > don't know how to do the little URL thing). > > http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/ > 10001/-1/10001/246849/377%20710/0/battery%20chargers/Primary%20Search/ > mode%20matchallpartial/0/0?N=377%20710&Ne=0&Ntt=battery% > 20chargers&Ntk=Primary%20Search&Ntx=mode% > 20matchallpartial&Nao=0&Ns=0&keyword=battery% > 20chargers&isLTokenURL=true&storeNum=null&subdeptNum=null&classNum=null > > Phil Eslinger > Flat Earth N50 > Ko Olina, Hi > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:03:16 -0600 > From: Philip Eslinger <pslinger@mindspring.com> > Subject: [PUP] European/American Shorepower > To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com > Message-ID: <733368DF-B5E5-4633-8193-F93D0975C507@mindspring.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thanks to Bill's help, this is a much more manageable URL for the > Xantrex charger: > > http://tinyurl.com/29r6tt > > Phil Eslinger > Flat Earth > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:35:52 -0400 > From: "Dave Cooper" <swansong@gmn-usa.com> > Subject: [PUP] More AIS > To: "'Passagemaking Under Power List'" > <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> > Message-ID: <000701c7db74$e90f93f0$4b01a8c0@Dell> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Recently we have found ATON's that are AIS beacons. These have a very > long > range....we've seen them at 24 miles so far and they give you their > exact > location within 10 meters. Very good news I think as an additional nav > aid. > > > > We don't seem to find that the software in plotters or the nav programs > seem > to handle them very well. They don't treat them as "ships" so you don't > get > a range and heading from them unless you move the curser to them. > > > > Has anyone encountered these yet and if so does your nav software treat > them > as you would expect..or perhaps it doesn't even "see" them. > > > > As always YMMV.. > > > > > > Dave & Nancy > > Swan Song > > Roughwater 58 > > Caribbean Cruise '07 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:18:01 -0700 > From: John Marshall <johnamar1101@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PUP] More AIS > To: Passagemaking Under Power List > <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> > Message-ID: <762D3328-C405-4491-99BE-AB6B16E2F53C@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I've seen a number of things that report as "Base Stations" on AIS. > Not sure it that's an ATON. I've seen them at ranges out to 60 miles. > > John Marshall > N5520-Serendipity > > > On Aug 10, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Dave Cooper wrote: > > > Recently we have found ATON's that are AIS beacons. These have a > > very long > > range....we've seen them at 24 miles so far and they give you their > > exact > > location within 10 meters. Very good news I think as an additional > > nav aid. > > > > > > > > We don't seem to find that the software in plotters or the nav > > programs seem > > to handle them very well. They don't treat them as "ships" so you > > don't get > > a range and heading from them unless you move the curser to them. > > > > > > > > Has anyone encountered these yet and if so does your nav software > > treat them > > as you would expect..or perhaps it doesn't even "see" them. > > > > > > > > As always YMMV.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave & Nancy > > > > Swan Song > > > > Roughwater 58 > > > > Caribbean Cruise '07 > > _______________________________________________ > > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > > > To unsubscribe send email to > > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > > Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:43:11 -0400 > From: "Dave Cooper" <swansong@gmn-usa.com> > Subject: Re: [PUP] More AIS > To: "'Passagemaking Under Power List'" > <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> > Message-ID: <002c01c7db86$af0576e0$4b01a8c0@Dell> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > <John wrote: I've seen a number of things that report as "Base Stations" > on > AIS. Not sure it that's an ATON. I've seen them at ranges out to 60 > miles.> > > If I recall you have a Furuno AIS. Is this true or is my CRS acting up > again? > > We have been told that these AIS units may be replacing lighthouses if > they > are on land and leading sea buoys if they are in the water. How much of > this > is true seems to be hard to find out. > > In the UK there are many many of these "base stations". More to follow > according to a UL friend of mine. The new "smart buoys" will be equipped > with SIS transmitters to help their identification and also as an ATON. > > Coastal Explorer only identifies them as "base stations" with their MMSI > numbers, location and accuracy of location. I have an earlier version of > the > Captn which does a similar readout, Sea Clear also. Sure would be nice > if > the software computed the range, bearing, CPA, etc as it does on ships. > > I can see lots of great uses for all of this....looks like the software > folks have to catch up with it. > > Cheers > > Dave & Nancy > Swan Song > Roughwater 58 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:38:54 -0700 > From: "Bob Owens" <tugly@i-55.com> > Subject: Re: [PUP] Pepper Spray > To: <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> > Message-ID: <002d01c7dba1$f5691270$4201a8c0@tugly2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > How about a concoction of regular household ammonia cut with two thirds > of > water. Put it in a squirt bottle and hold off an army. Unless they are > armed > also. Rumor has it that it will stop an attacking dog in his tracks and > will > temporarily blind it just like pepper spray. I hope I'm right about the > dilution formula. Maybe good against bears also. Maybe some one will > try it > and comment ; ) > > Bob Owens > Tugly > 26' Nordic Tug > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List > > End of Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 33, Issue 11 > ********************************************************* > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.