KK
Keeper Koepplinger
Wed, May 6, 2015 3:29 PM
I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a
multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the
faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and
in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the
group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with
pre-determined break-ups.
Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide
what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups
doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles
is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and
increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating
start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming
back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders
from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to
do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many
seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all
of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to
lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the
hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is,
don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing
to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling
alienated from it.
Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or
contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.com. Until then, hope to see you
all soon, peace
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes mjhayes15@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list?
Thank you.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger <keepersalida@gmail.com
Women's Club Rides!
We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two
of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders
to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on
them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post
the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here,
just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free
to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any
questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a
multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the
faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and
in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the
group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with
pre-determined break-ups.
Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide
what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups
doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles
is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and
increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating
start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming
back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders
from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to
do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many
seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all
of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to
lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the
hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is,
don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing
to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling
alienated from it.
Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or
contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.com. Until then, hope to see you
all soon, peace
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes <mjhayes15@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list?
> Thank you.
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger <keepersalida@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Women's Club Rides!
>> We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two
>> of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders
>> to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on
>> them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post
>> the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here,
>> just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free
>> to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any
>> questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
>>
>
>
DB
David Berry
Wed, May 6, 2015 3:39 PM
Hi Keeper,
Thanks for the reply but I think you missed my point; my point being that for people to feel part of an inclusive club we need at least one no-drop ride. Surely the hammer heads can organize their own fast rides and show up for cohesiveness sake on the one no-drop ride. I thought that is what the Tuesday night ride is for.
Without the one inclusive ride we don't really have a club.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, "Keeper Koepplinger" keepersalida@gmail.com wrote:
I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with pre-determined break-ups.
Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is, don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling alienated from it.
Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.com. Until then, hope to see you all soon, peace
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes mjhayes15@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list? Thank you.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger keepersalida@gmail.com wrote:
Women's Club Rides!
We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here, just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
Hi Keeper,
Thanks for the reply but I think you missed my point; my point being that for people to feel part of an inclusive club we need at least one no-drop ride. Surely the hammer heads can organize their own fast rides and show up for cohesiveness sake on the one no-drop ride. I thought that is what the Tuesday night ride is for.
Without the one inclusive ride we don't really have a club.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, "Keeper Koepplinger" <keepersalida@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with pre-determined break-ups.
> Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
> Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
> This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is, don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling alienated from it.
> Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.com. Until then, hope to see you all soon, peace
>
>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes <mjhayes15@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list? Thank you.
>>
>>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger <keepersalida@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Women's Club Rides!
>>> We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here, just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
>
RN
Robin NeJame
Wed, May 6, 2015 3:49 PM
Just my two cents... We do really have a club. This club is more than the rides offered. The rides are just a bonus. It is about a community that shares a similar love, be it mountain biking, road biking, bike touring, spin classes, etc.. It is about advocacy. It is about coming together for community events. And it is so much more. Much appreciation to the founders, and to those that are working very hard to meet everybody's needs and desires.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:39 AM, David Berry dberry102@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Keeper,
Thanks for the reply but I think you missed my point; my point being that for people to feel part of an inclusive club we need at least one no-drop ride. Surely the hammer heads can organize their own fast rides and show up for cohesiveness sake on the one no-drop ride. I thought that is what the Tuesday night ride is for.
Without the one inclusive ride we don't really have a club.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, "Keeper Koepplinger" keepersalida@gmail.com wrote:
I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with pre-determined break-ups.
Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is, don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling alienated from it.
Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.com. Until then, hope to see you all soon, peace
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes mjhayes15@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list? Thank you.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger keepersalida@gmail.com wrote:
Women's Club Rides!
We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here, just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
Just my two cents... We do really have a club. This club is more than the rides offered. The rides are just a bonus. It is about a community that shares a similar love, be it mountain biking, road biking, bike touring, spin classes, etc.. It is about advocacy. It is about coming together for community events. And it is so much more. Much appreciation to the founders, and to those that are working very hard to meet everybody's needs and desires.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 6, 2015, at 9:39 AM, David Berry <dberry102@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Keeper,
> Thanks for the reply but I think you missed my point; my point being that for people to feel part of an inclusive club we need at least one no-drop ride. Surely the hammer heads can organize their own fast rides and show up for cohesiveness sake on the one no-drop ride. I thought that is what the Tuesday night ride is for.
> Without the one inclusive ride we don't really have a club.
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, "Keeper Koepplinger" <keepersalida@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with pre-determined break-ups.
>> Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
>> Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
>> This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is, don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling alienated from it.
>> Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.com. Until then, hope to see you all soon, peace
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes <mjhayes15@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list? Thank you.
>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger <keepersalida@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Women's Club Rides!
>>>> We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here, just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
>>
GJ
Greg Justis
Wed, May 6, 2015 4:34 PM
On some points I have to agree with Dave but with a bit less passion. I
know there are a lot of people wishing the club would have more social
events besides rides. There was a club meeting many years ago where those
present suggested their biggest request was for more social activities. I
also hear this on recent rides. I am also concerned about the $5k for the
pro race and how that was decided. I would rather have funding for
promoting cycling in our community such as events or support for kids, bike
racks, art work, or other ideas. I would sure like to know how our
membership fees, profits from races, and sponsors' resources are allocated.
As members should we not have input or knowledge of this? Would anyone be
interested in a membership meeting to field questions, air concerns, and
come up with solutions and suggestions?
Greg
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Robin NeJame robinnejame@gmail.com wrote:
Just my two cents... We do really have a club. This club is more than the
rides offered. The rides are just a bonus. It is about a community that
shares a similar love, be it mountain biking, road biking, bike
touring, spin classes, etc.. It is about advocacy. It is about coming
together for community events. And it is so much more. Much appreciation
to the founders, and to those that are working very hard to meet
everybody's needs and desires.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:39 AM, David Berry dberry102@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Keeper,
Thanks for the reply but I think you missed my point; my point being that
for people to feel part of an inclusive club we need at least one no-drop
ride. Surely the hammer heads can organize their own fast rides and show up
for cohesiveness sake on the one no-drop ride. I thought that is what the
Tuesday night ride is for.
Without the one inclusive ride we don't really have a club.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, "Keeper Koepplinger" keepersalida@gmail.com
wrote:
I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a
multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the
faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and
in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the
group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with
pre-determined break-ups.
Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide
what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups
doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles
is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and
increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating
start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming
back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders
from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to
do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many
seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all
of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to
lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the
hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is,
don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing
to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling
alienated from it.
Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or
contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.com. Until then, hope to see
you all soon, peace
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes mjhayes15@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list?
Thank you.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger <
keepersalida@gmail.com> wrote:
Women's Club Rides!
We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two
of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders
to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on
them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post
the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here,
just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free
to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any
questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
On some points I have to agree with Dave but with a bit less passion. I
know there are a lot of people wishing the club would have more social
events besides rides. There was a club meeting many years ago where those
present suggested their biggest request was for more social activities. I
also hear this on recent rides. I am also concerned about the $5k for the
pro race and how that was decided. I would rather have funding for
promoting cycling in our community such as events or support for kids, bike
racks, art work, or other ideas. I would sure like to know how our
membership fees, profits from races, and sponsors' resources are allocated.
As members should we not have input or knowledge of this? Would anyone be
interested in a membership meeting to field questions, air concerns, and
come up with solutions and suggestions?
Greg
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Robin NeJame <robinnejame@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just my two cents... We do really have a club. This club is more than the
> rides offered. The rides are just a bonus. It is about a community that
> shares a similar love, be it mountain biking, road biking, bike
> touring, spin classes, etc.. It is about advocacy. It is about coming
> together for community events. And it is so much more. Much appreciation
> to the founders, and to those that are working very hard to meet
> everybody's needs and desires.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 6, 2015, at 9:39 AM, David Berry <dberry102@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Keeper,
> Thanks for the reply but I think you missed my point; my point being that
> for people to feel part of an inclusive club we need at least one no-drop
> ride. Surely the hammer heads can organize their own fast rides and show up
> for cohesiveness sake on the one no-drop ride. I thought that is what the
> Tuesday night ride is for.
> Without the one inclusive ride we don't really have a club.
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, "Keeper Koepplinger" <keepersalida@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a
> multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the
> faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and
> in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the
> group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with
> pre-determined break-ups.
> Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide
> what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups
> doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles
> is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and
> increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating
> start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
> Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming
> back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders
> from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to
> do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
> This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many
> seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all
> of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to
> lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the
> hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is,
> don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing
> to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling
> alienated from it.
> Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or
> contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.com. Until then, hope to see
> you all soon, peace
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes <mjhayes15@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list?
>> Thank you.
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger <
>> keepersalida@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Women's Club Rides!
>>> We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two
>>> of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders
>>> to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on
>>> them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post
>>> the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here,
>>> just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free
>>> to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any
>>> questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
>>>
>>
>>
>
TK
Teresa Koransky
Wed, May 6, 2015 5:18 PM
Hi All - I’m kind of new to this forum; I’ve been a member of SCC for a couple of years, but not active on rides. I’m awaiting a knee replacement (I got notes from Greg Justis) and I hope to get back in the saddle afterward.
Personally, as a slow rider, I’m intimidated, confused and perplexed at some of the ride descriptions. The only thing I see on your website is:
“Sunday Pastry Ride – 10AM from Absolute Bikes. 25-35 miles at a conversational pace. Tuesday Kick Ass Ride – 5:30PM from Amica’s....”
Sorry, but I’m not a 25-35 mile rider yet and I probably won’t be carrying on much of a conversation.… and I certainly won’t be after surgery. And I’m not showing up on Tuesday to get my ass kicked anytime soon.
… and what the heck is a “BAM!” Ride? I haven’t seen any other rides posted….
A few questions: Does this group have regular meetings? I’ve only heard about the membership drive. If so, what is discussed at these meetings? Do you ever have any other kinds of “gatherings”?
Teresa Koransky
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces@list.salidacyclingclub.com] On Behalf Of Greg Justis
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 10:35 AM
To: Robin NeJame
Cc: talk@list.salidacyclingclub.com
Subject: Re: [Talk] Women's Club Rides
Importance: High
On some points I have to agree with Dave but with a bit less passion. I know there are a lot of people wishing the club would have more social events besides rides. There was a club meeting many years ago where those present suggested their biggest request was for more social activities. I also hear this on recent rides. I am also concerned about the $5k for the pro race and how that was decided. I would rather have funding for promoting cycling in our community such as events or support for kids, bike racks, art work, or other ideas. I would sure like to know how our membership fees, profits from races, and sponsors' resources are allocated. As members should we not have input or knowledge of this? Would anyone be interested in a membership meeting to field questions, air concerns, and come up with solutions and suggestions?
Greg
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Robin NeJame <robinnejame@gmail.commailto:robinnejame@gmail.com> wrote:
Just my two cents... We do really have a club. This club is more than the rides offered. The rides are just a bonus. It is about a community that shares a similar love, be it mountain biking, road biking, bike touring, spin classes, etc.. It is about advocacy. It is about coming together for community events. And it is so much more. Much appreciation to the founders, and to those that are working very hard to meet everybody's needs and desires.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:39 AM, David Berry <dberry102@hotmail.commailto:dberry102@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Keeper,
Thanks for the reply but I think you missed my point; my point being that for people to feel part of an inclusive club we need at least one no-drop ride. Surely the hammer heads can organize their own fast rides and show up for cohesiveness sake on the one no-drop ride. I thought that is what the Tuesday night ride is for.
Without the one inclusive ride we don't really have a club.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, "Keeper Koepplinger" <keepersalida@gmail.commailto:keepersalida@gmail.com> wrote:
I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with pre-determined break-ups.
Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is, don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling alienated from it.
Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.commailto:KeeperSalida@gmail.com. Until then, hope to see you all soon, peace
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes <mjhayes15@gmail.commailto:mjhayes15@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list? Thank you.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger <keepersalida@gmail.commailto:keepersalida@gmail.com> wrote:
Women's Club Rides!
We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here, just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
Hi All - I’m kind of new to this forum; I’ve been a member of SCC for a couple of years, but not active on rides. I’m awaiting a knee replacement (I got notes from Greg Justis) and I hope to get back in the saddle afterward.
Personally, as a slow rider, I’m intimidated, confused and perplexed at some of the ride descriptions. The only thing I see on your website is:
“Sunday Pastry Ride – 10AM from Absolute Bikes. 25-35 miles at a conversational pace. Tuesday Kick Ass Ride – 5:30PM from Amica’s....”
Sorry, but I’m not a 25-35 mile rider yet and I probably won’t be carrying on much of a conversation.… and I certainly won’t be after surgery. And I’m not showing up on Tuesday to get my ass kicked anytime soon.
… and what the heck is a “BAM!” Ride? I haven’t seen any other rides posted….
A few questions: Does this group have regular meetings? I’ve only heard about the membership drive. If so, what is discussed at these meetings? Do you ever have any other kinds of “gatherings”?
Teresa Koransky
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces@list.salidacyclingclub.com] On Behalf Of Greg Justis
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 10:35 AM
To: Robin NeJame
Cc: talk@list.salidacyclingclub.com
Subject: Re: [Talk] Women's Club Rides
Importance: High
On some points I have to agree with Dave but with a bit less passion. I know there are a lot of people wishing the club would have more social events besides rides. There was a club meeting many years ago where those present suggested their biggest request was for more social activities. I also hear this on recent rides. I am also concerned about the $5k for the pro race and how that was decided. I would rather have funding for promoting cycling in our community such as events or support for kids, bike racks, art work, or other ideas. I would sure like to know how our membership fees, profits from races, and sponsors' resources are allocated. As members should we not have input or knowledge of this? Would anyone be interested in a membership meeting to field questions, air concerns, and come up with solutions and suggestions?
Greg
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Robin NeJame <robinnejame@gmail.com<mailto:robinnejame@gmail.com>> wrote:
Just my two cents... We do really have a club. This club is more than the rides offered. The rides are just a bonus. It is about a community that shares a similar love, be it mountain biking, road biking, bike touring, spin classes, etc.. It is about advocacy. It is about coming together for community events. And it is so much more. Much appreciation to the founders, and to those that are working very hard to meet everybody's needs and desires.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:39 AM, David Berry <dberry102@hotmail.com<mailto:dberry102@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Keeper,
Thanks for the reply but I think you missed my point; my point being that for people to feel part of an inclusive club we need at least one no-drop ride. Surely the hammer heads can organize their own fast rides and show up for cohesiveness sake on the one no-drop ride. I thought that is what the Tuesday night ride is for.
Without the one inclusive ride we don't really have a club.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, "Keeper Koepplinger" <keepersalida@gmail.com<mailto:keepersalida@gmail.com>> wrote:
I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with pre-determined break-ups.
Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is, don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling alienated from it.
Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.com<mailto:KeeperSalida@gmail.com>. Until then, hope to see you all soon, peace
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes <mjhayes15@gmail.com<mailto:mjhayes15@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list? Thank you.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger <keepersalida@gmail.com<mailto:keepersalida@gmail.com>> wrote:
Women's Club Rides!
We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here, just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
DB
David Berry
Wed, May 6, 2015 5:45 PM
Well I believe a club implies a collective activity done by a group. And one of the most important activities of a bicycle club is participating in group rides. If everyone on a ride diffuses into individuals and very small groups it's not a collective activity. Also, other than the summer race sponsored by the club, I'm not aware of any community activities that involve the members as a group. Other than the annual membership meeting there are certainly no other social activities. So if we don't have social rides we have nothing to tie us to the club.
Also I agree with Greg regarding the donation of $5000 of club money to a huge, commercial bike race with no member input to the decision was somewhat outrageous. We have a struggling Boys and Girls club here, much better that money went to something like that.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, "Robin NeJame" robinnejame@gmail.com wrote:
Just my two cents... We do really have a club. This club is more than the rides offered. The rides are just a bonus. It is about a community that shares a similar love, be it mountain biking, road biking, bike touring, spin classes, etc.. It is about advocacy. It is about coming together for community events. And it is so much more. Much appreciation to the founders, and to those that are working very hard to meet everybody's needs and desires.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:39 AM, David Berry dberry102@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Keeper,
Thanks for the reply but I think you missed my point; my point being that for people to feel part of an inclusive club we need at least one no-drop ride. Surely the hammer heads can organize their own fast rides and show up for cohesiveness sake on the one no-drop ride. I thought that is what the Tuesday night ride is for.
Without the one inclusive ride we don't really have a club.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, "Keeper Koepplinger" keepersalida@gmail.com wrote:
I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with pre-determined break-ups.
Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is, don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling alienated from it.
Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.com. Until then, hope to see you all soon, peace
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes mjhayes15@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list? Thank you.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger keepersalida@gmail.com wrote:
Women's Club Rides!
We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here, just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
Well I believe a club implies a collective activity done by a group. And one of the most important activities of a bicycle club is participating in group rides. If everyone on a ride diffuses into individuals and very small groups it's not a collective activity. Also, other than the summer race sponsored by the club, I'm not aware of any community activities that involve the members as a group. Other than the annual membership meeting there are certainly no other social activities. So if we don't have social rides we have nothing to tie us to the club.
Also I agree with Greg regarding the donation of $5000 of club money to a huge, commercial bike race with no member input to the decision was somewhat outrageous. We have a struggling Boys and Girls club here, much better that money went to something like that.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, "Robin NeJame" <robinnejame@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just my two cents... We do really have a club. This club is more than the rides offered. The rides are just a bonus. It is about a community that shares a similar love, be it mountain biking, road biking, bike touring, spin classes, etc.. It is about advocacy. It is about coming together for community events. And it is so much more. Much appreciation to the founders, and to those that are working very hard to meet everybody's needs and desires.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 6, 2015, at 9:39 AM, David Berry <dberry102@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Keeper,
>> Thanks for the reply but I think you missed my point; my point being that for people to feel part of an inclusive club we need at least one no-drop ride. Surely the hammer heads can organize their own fast rides and show up for cohesiveness sake on the one no-drop ride. I thought that is what the Tuesday night ride is for.
>> Without the one inclusive ride we don't really have a club.
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, "Keeper Koepplinger" <keepersalida@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with pre-determined break-ups.
>>> Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
>>> Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
>>> This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is, don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling alienated from it.
>>> Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.com. Until then, hope to see you all soon, peace
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes <mjhayes15@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list? Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger <keepersalida@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Women's Club Rides!
>>>>> We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here, just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
>>>
TK
Teresa Koransky
Wed, May 6, 2015 6:35 PM
Sorry to disagree with you, Dave, but a “club” is : an association of two or more people united by a common interest or goal. A service clubhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_club, for example, exists for voluntary or charitable activities; there are clubs devoted to hobbies and sports, social activities clubs, political and religious clubs, and so forth. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club Kind of like what Robin stated.
If the only “members” of this club are those involved in one of the only two rides you have posted, then are many of us are not “members”? As your website states, you are a “club for all riders”. Is this then not really the case? Your website mentions “close ties” to Chaffee County Mentors, Salida Mountain Trails, volunteering, and races. I’m just wondering how is this done without meetings, group gatherings, etc.? Where does that membership money really go?
Sorry to ruffle feathers, I’m just trying to figure out what this group is really about…..
Teresa
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces@list.salidacyclingclub.com] On Behalf Of David Berry
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:45 AM
To: Robin NeJame
Cc: talk@list.salidacyclingclub.com
Subject: Re: [Talk] Women's Club Rides
Well I believe a club implies a collective activity done by a group. And one of the most important activities of a bicycle club is participating in group rides. If everyone on a ride diffuses into individuals and very small groups it's not a collective activity. Also, other than the summer race sponsored by the club, I'm not aware of any community activities that involve the members as a group. Other than the annual membership meeting there are certainly no other social activities. So if we don't have social rides we have nothing to tie us to the club.
Also I agree with Greg regarding the donation of $5000 of club money to a huge, commercial bike race with no member input to the decision was somewhat outrageous. We have a struggling Boys and Girls club here, much better that money went to something like that.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, "Robin NeJame" <robinnejame@gmail.commailto:robinnejame@gmail.com> wrote:
Just my two cents... We do really have a club. This club is more than the rides offered. The rides are just a bonus. It is about a community that shares a similar love, be it mountain biking, road biking, bike touring, spin classes, etc.. It is about advocacy. It is about coming together for community events. And it is so much more. Much appreciation to the founders, and to those that are working very hard to meet everybody's needs and desires.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:39 AM, David Berry <dberry102@hotmail.commailto:dberry102@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Keeper,
Thanks for the reply but I think you missed my point; my point being that for people to feel part of an inclusive club we need at least one no-drop ride. Surely the hammer heads can organize their own fast rides and show up for cohesiveness sake on the one no-drop ride. I thought that is what the Tuesday night ride is for.
Without the one inclusive ride we don't really have a club.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, "Keeper Koepplinger" <keepersalida@gmail.commailto:keepersalida@gmail.com> wrote:
I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with pre-determined break-ups.
Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is, don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling alienated from it.
Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.commailto:KeeperSalida@gmail.com. Until then, hope to see you all soon, peace
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes <mjhayes15@gmail.commailto:mjhayes15@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list? Thank you.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger <keepersalida@gmail.commailto:keepersalida@gmail.com> wrote:
Women's Club Rides!
We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here, just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
Sorry to disagree with you, Dave, but a “club” is : an association of two or more people united by a common interest or goal. A service club<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_club>, for example, exists for voluntary or charitable activities; there are clubs devoted to hobbies and sports, social activities clubs, political and religious clubs, and so forth. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club Kind of like what Robin stated.
If the only “members” of this club are those involved in one of the only two rides you have posted, then are many of us are not “members”? As your website states, you are a “club for all riders”. Is this then not really the case? Your website mentions “close ties” to Chaffee County Mentors, Salida Mountain Trails, volunteering, and races. I’m just wondering how is this done without meetings, group gatherings, etc.? Where does that membership money really go?
Sorry to ruffle feathers, I’m just trying to figure out what this group is really about…..
Teresa
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces@list.salidacyclingclub.com] On Behalf Of David Berry
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:45 AM
To: Robin NeJame
Cc: talk@list.salidacyclingclub.com
Subject: Re: [Talk] Women's Club Rides
Well I believe a club implies a collective activity done by a group. And one of the most important activities of a bicycle club is participating in group rides. If everyone on a ride diffuses into individuals and very small groups it's not a collective activity. Also, other than the summer race sponsored by the club, I'm not aware of any community activities that involve the members as a group. Other than the annual membership meeting there are certainly no other social activities. So if we don't have social rides we have nothing to tie us to the club.
Also I agree with Greg regarding the donation of $5000 of club money to a huge, commercial bike race with no member input to the decision was somewhat outrageous. We have a struggling Boys and Girls club here, much better that money went to something like that.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, "Robin NeJame" <robinnejame@gmail.com<mailto:robinnejame@gmail.com>> wrote:
Just my two cents... We do really have a club. This club is more than the rides offered. The rides are just a bonus. It is about a community that shares a similar love, be it mountain biking, road biking, bike touring, spin classes, etc.. It is about advocacy. It is about coming together for community events. And it is so much more. Much appreciation to the founders, and to those that are working very hard to meet everybody's needs and desires.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:39 AM, David Berry <dberry102@hotmail.com<mailto:dberry102@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Keeper,
Thanks for the reply but I think you missed my point; my point being that for people to feel part of an inclusive club we need at least one no-drop ride. Surely the hammer heads can organize their own fast rides and show up for cohesiveness sake on the one no-drop ride. I thought that is what the Tuesday night ride is for.
Without the one inclusive ride we don't really have a club.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, "Keeper Koepplinger" <keepersalida@gmail.com<mailto:keepersalida@gmail.com>> wrote:
I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with pre-determined break-ups.
Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is, don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling alienated from it.
Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.com<mailto:KeeperSalida@gmail.com>. Until then, hope to see you all soon, peace
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes <mjhayes15@gmail.com<mailto:mjhayes15@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list? Thank you.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger <keepersalida@gmail.com<mailto:keepersalida@gmail.com>> wrote:
Women's Club Rides!
We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here, just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
DB
David Berry
Wed, May 6, 2015 7:24 PM
Well since we are being pedantic. The origin of the word club evolved from the Middle Dutch and Middle Low German word Klumpe to Middle English clump. The definition of which is a closely grouped number of objects plants or animals.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6, 2015, at 12:35 PM, "Teresa Koransky" teresa@koransky.com wrote:
Sorry to disagree with you, Dave, but a “club” is : an association of two or more people united by a common interest or goal. A service club, for example, exists for voluntary or charitable activities; there are clubs devoted to hobbies and sports, social activities clubs, political and religious clubs, and so forth. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club Kind of like what Robin stated.
If the only “members” of this club are those involved in one of the only two rides you have posted, then are many of us are not “members”? As your website states, you are a “club for all riders”. Is this then not really the case? Your website mentions “close ties” to Chaffee County Mentors, Salida Mountain Trails, volunteering, and races. I’m just wondering how is this done without meetings, group gatherings, etc.? Where does that membership money really go?
Sorry to ruffle feathers, I’m just trying to figure out what this group is really about…..
Teresa
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces@list.salidacyclingclub.com] On Behalf Of David Berry
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:45 AM
To: Robin NeJame
Cc: talk@list.salidacyclingclub.com
Subject: Re: [Talk] Women's Club Rides
Well I believe a club implies a collective activity done by a group. And one of the most important activities of a bicycle club is participating in group rides. If everyone on a ride diffuses into individuals and very small groups it's not a collective activity. Also, other than the summer race sponsored by the club, I'm not aware of any community activities that involve the members as a group. Other than the annual membership meeting there are certainly no other social activities. So if we don't have social rides we have nothing to tie us to the club.
Also I agree with Greg regarding the donation of $5000 of club money to a huge, commercial bike race with no member input to the decision was somewhat outrageous. We have a struggling Boys and Girls club here, much better that money went to something like that.
Dave
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On May 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, "Robin NeJame" robinnejame@gmail.com wrote:
Just my two cents... We do really have a club. This club is more than the rides offered. The rides are just a bonus. It is about a community that shares a similar love, be it mountain biking, road biking, bike touring, spin classes, etc.. It is about advocacy. It is about coming together for community events. And it is so much more. Much appreciation to the founders, and to those that are working very hard to meet everybody's needs and desires.
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On May 6, 2015, at 9:39 AM, David Berry dberry102@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Keeper,
Thanks for the reply but I think you missed my point; my point being that for people to feel part of an inclusive club we need at least one no-drop ride. Surely the hammer heads can organize their own fast rides and show up for cohesiveness sake on the one no-drop ride. I thought that is what the Tuesday night ride is for.
Without the one inclusive ride we don't really have a club.
Dave
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On May 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, "Keeper Koepplinger" keepersalida@gmail.com wrote:
I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with pre-determined break-ups.
Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is, don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling alienated from it.
Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.com. Until then, hope to see you all soon, peace
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes mjhayes15@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list? Thank you.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger keepersalida@gmail.com wrote:
Women's Club Rides!
We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here, just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
Well since we are being pedantic. The origin of the word club evolved from the Middle Dutch and Middle Low German word Klumpe to Middle English clump. The definition of which is a closely grouped number of objects plants or animals.
Dave
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> On May 6, 2015, at 12:35 PM, "Teresa Koransky" <teresa@koransky.com> wrote:
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> Sorry to disagree with you, Dave, but a “club” is : an association of two or more people united by a common interest or goal. A service club, for example, exists for voluntary or charitable activities; there are clubs devoted to hobbies and sports, social activities clubs, political and religious clubs, and so forth. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club Kind of like what Robin stated.
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> If the only “members” of this club are those involved in one of the only two rides you have posted, then are many of us are not “members”? As your website states, you are a “club for all riders”. Is this then not really the case? Your website mentions “close ties” to Chaffee County Mentors, Salida Mountain Trails, volunteering, and races. I’m just wondering how is this done without meetings, group gatherings, etc.? Where does that membership money really go?
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> Sorry to ruffle feathers, I’m just trying to figure out what this group is really about…..
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> Teresa
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> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces@list.salidacyclingclub.com] On Behalf Of David Berry
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:45 AM
> To: Robin NeJame
> Cc: talk@list.salidacyclingclub.com
> Subject: Re: [Talk] Women's Club Rides
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> Well I believe a club implies a collective activity done by a group. And one of the most important activities of a bicycle club is participating in group rides. If everyone on a ride diffuses into individuals and very small groups it's not a collective activity. Also, other than the summer race sponsored by the club, I'm not aware of any community activities that involve the members as a group. Other than the annual membership meeting there are certainly no other social activities. So if we don't have social rides we have nothing to tie us to the club.
> Also I agree with Greg regarding the donation of $5000 of club money to a huge, commercial bike race with no member input to the decision was somewhat outrageous. We have a struggling Boys and Girls club here, much better that money went to something like that.
> Dave
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, "Robin NeJame" <robinnejame@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Just my two cents... We do really have a club. This club is more than the rides offered. The rides are just a bonus. It is about a community that shares a similar love, be it mountain biking, road biking, bike touring, spin classes, etc.. It is about advocacy. It is about coming together for community events. And it is so much more. Much appreciation to the founders, and to those that are working very hard to meet everybody's needs and desires.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 6, 2015, at 9:39 AM, David Berry <dberry102@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Keeper,
> Thanks for the reply but I think you missed my point; my point being that for people to feel part of an inclusive club we need at least one no-drop ride. Surely the hammer heads can organize their own fast rides and show up for cohesiveness sake on the one no-drop ride. I thought that is what the Tuesday night ride is for.
> Without the one inclusive ride we don't really have a club.
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, "Keeper Koepplinger" <keepersalida@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I will get you off the talk list, Michael Hayes. To Dave Berry, we have a multifaceted problem in our club rides. It is that, we do no-drop the faster riders will not show, we go fast, the slower riders won't show, and in more than a few instances, slower riders tell me they don't like the group waiting for them! I think the answer lies in a group start, with pre-determined break-ups.
> Greg Justis and I were talking about at the start, having everyone decide what level they want to ride, start together, and A,B and C ride groups doin their own thing from there. I know for myself, an 1 1/2 to go 13 miles is excruciating. We need all levels of riders to have our club grow and increase in size. There is no reason you cannot post your own ride, stating start, distance, route and pace, and lead it out.
> Getting dropped is the worst, and I agree discourages people from coming back. Stopping every few miles and waiting discourages established riders from coming in. We need to tailor ourselves to all levels, and the way to do that is for all levels to actively participate in the process.
> This is why I sent this out to the ladies initially, as there are many seeking a testosterone-free environment, still the concept applies to all of our different needs. I know Greg is still recovering, and is willing to lead drop-free, or regrouping rides, and I also am seeing the return of the hammer-heads who live to punish those around them. The bottom line is, don't give up on the club thru this growing-pains period. We are continuing to grow, and the last thing we need right now is to leave anyone feeling alienated from it.
> Anyone with any input, please feel free to comment on the talk list, or contact me directly at KeeperSalida@gmail.com. Until then, hope to see you all soon, peace
>
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> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Michael Hayes <mjhayes15@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Keeper - Could you please unsubscribe me from this email list? Thank you.
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Keeper Koepplinger <keepersalida@gmail.com> wrote:
> Women's Club Rides!
> We have women riders that are looking for other women to ride with. Two of the big complaints we get are that people don't like waiting on riders to catch up, AND the riders in the back don't like the group waiting on them! The solution is a wider variety of rides!! All you need to do is post the when and where, and show up. We have a vibrant cycling community here, just need a few more leaders to pull the riders together. Please feel free to contact myself, Keeper Koepplinger, or Jeff Porter if you have any questions! We are here for you, Salida cyclists!
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