Re: T&T: To regisiter w/state or not?
Ron and others, sorry about using the term "register". I cleared this up in later post.
Bottom Line for Recreational Boats in the U.S.:
-- There can only by one form of legal ownership, USCG Documentation or State Title.
-- There can only be one official jurisdictional registration Number, USCG Documentation Number or State Registration Number.
-- States have the right to impose taxes and/or registration fees on a USCG documented boat,but can not require the display of state registration numbers.
Point of Confusion:
-- Many, if not most, states require USCG Documented boats to be registered, typically as a means of collecting sale or use taxes or registration fees.
-- Registration is typically associated with the issuance of a state registration number, the 4" numbers and letters on each side of the forward half of the boat. Some states require the USCG Documented boat to display the registration decal that makes reference to a state registration number.
Why states can't get smart enough to issue tax decals to USCG boats is beyond me. It would clear this mess up. DC, and I suspect others, do this right. A USCG Documented boat displays a tax decal that looks exactly like a registration decal, except instead of the registration number being on the decal it states "USCG DOCUMENTED". The district is typically looked upon as inefficient and archaic, but they actually have a good idea here.
Gil
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Actually Gil, California does it even more right! We have Documented
vessels OR Registered Vessels. Documented vessels display no state
registration numbers or decals. Registered vessels do. Very simple, not at
all confusing.
Bob Peterson
"Lopaka Nane"
47' Lien Hwa CPMY
San Francisco
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From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Gil
Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:30 AM
To: ron barr; TWL
Subject: Re: T&T: To regisiter w/state or not?
Ron and others, sorry about using the term "register". I cleared this up in
later post.
Bottom Line for Recreational Boats in the U.S.:
-- There can only by one form of legal ownership, USCG Documentation or
State Title.
-- There can only be one official jurisdictional registration Number, USCG
Documentation Number or State Registration Number.
-- States have the right to impose taxes and/or registration fees on a USCG
documented boat,but can not require the display of state registration
numbers.
Point of Confusion:
-- Many, if not most, states require USCG Documented boats to be registered,
typically as a means of collecting sale or use taxes or registration fees.
-- Registration is typically associated with the issuance of a state
registration number, the 4" numbers and letters on each side of the forward
half of the boat. Some states require the USCG Documented boat to display
the registration decal that makes reference to a state registration number.
Why states can't get smart enough to issue tax decals to USCG boats is
beyond me. It would clear this mess up. DC, and I suspect others, do this
right. A USCG Documented boat displays a tax decal that looks exactly like
a registration decal, except instead of the registration number being on the
decal it states "USCG DOCUMENTED". The district is typically looked upon as
inefficient and archaic, but they actually have a good idea here.
Gil
Gil,
Maybe it's because the District of Columbia is not a state, its part of the
federal government!
Why states can't get smart enough to issue tax decals to USCG boats is
beyond me. It would clear this mess up. DC, and I suspect others, do
this right. A USCG Documented boat displays a tax decal that looks
exactly like a registration decal, except instead of the registration
number being on the decal it states "USCG DOCUMENTED". The district is
typically looked upon as inefficient and archaic, but they actually have a
good idea here.
Gil
...Unless you travel to another state, where they will assume you haven't
paid any state sales or use tax and will ticket you or put a lien on your
boat. This will require you to pay taxes in that state, or prove you have
paid them somewhere else. Guilty until proven innocent....
Keith
I.R.S.: We've got what it takes to take what you've got!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Peterson" bob@peterson.org
Actually Gil, California does it even more right! We have Documented
vessels OR Registered Vessels. Documented vessels display no state
registration numbers or decals. Registered vessels do. Very simple, not
at
all confusing.
Had a visit yesterday from the Lugger people.
The sales rep claimed that products like Fermstrum keel coolers may not
last more than a few years in hot tropical waters.
He claimed they will corrode very quickly.
supported his claim with a story of having just visited Darwin where the
boat operators were having lots of trouble.
He suggested that heat exchangers supposedly solved this problem.
Has anyone had experience with keel coolers to support this argument?
I'm sceptical.
Arild
That sounds like BS. Why would a nickel/copper keel cooler corrode faster
than a nickel/copper heat exchanger, both with salt water exposure?
Keith
Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat.
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From: "Arild Jensen" elnav@telus.net
Had a visit yesterday from the Lugger people.
The sales rep claimed that products like Fermstrum keel coolers may not
last more than a few years in hot tropical waters.
He claimed they will corrode very quickly.
supported his claim with a story of having just visited Darwin where the
boat operators were having lots of trouble.
He suggested that heat exchangers supposedly solved this problem.
Arild Jensen wrote:
Had a visit yesterday from the Lugger people.
The sales rep claimed that products like Fermstrum keel coolers may not
last more than a few years in hot tropical waters.
He claimed they will corrode very quickly.
supported his claim with a story of having just visited Darwin where the
boat operators were having lots of trouble.
Mine is 8 yrs old, the boat was in FL until we brought it to the
Chesapeake. I cleaned it this winter, and spoke to the factory tech guy,
said they should last 10-20 yrs. It is a copper-nickel alloy, like
90/10. I asked about painting, was advised it should be bare, the copper
precludes most marine growth, and the most I should do is drop it &
clean it by blasting & paint the hull behind the fins. It appears to be
like new, no corrosion or other signs of deterioration anywhere. There
may be an electrolysis problem that they're having problems with, I can
only relate my own experience which has thus far been very trouble-free.
Steve Sipe
Why not ask directly at sales@fernstrum.com ?
It ought to be in the interest of Fernstrum to shoot down such claims.
Bent Tolstrup
-----Original Message-----
From: Arild Jensen [mailto:elnav@telus.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:53 PM
To: 'TWL'
Subject: T&T: keel coolers
Had a visit yesterday from the Lugger people.
The sales rep claimed that products like Fermstrum keel coolers may not
last more than a few years in hot tropical waters.
He claimed they will corrode very quickly.
supported his claim with a story of having just visited Darwin where the
boat operators were having lots of trouble.
He suggested that heat exchangers supposedly solved this problem.
Has anyone had experience with keel coolers to support this argument?
I'm sceptical.
Arild
Seems like one potential difference between the two could be stray
electrical current corrosion at a marina dock etc. This would affect a
keel cooler since it is in intimate contact with the water. The heat
exchanger is isolated by rubber hoses although I do not know if the
stray current would pass up through a raw water pump and hoses (through
the liquid) to the exchanger.
Kevin
m/v Wisper
DeFever 41
Had a visit yesterday from the Lugger people.
The sales rep claimed that products like Fermstrum keel coolers may not
last more than a few years in hot tropical waters.
He claimed they will corrode very quickly.
supported his claim with a story of having just visited Darwin where
the
boat operators were having lots of trouble.
For what its worth in this discussion, my 45 year old ex commercial fish
boat has keel cooling. The cooler consists of bronze ends and thru-hulls
with copper tubes for the cooling. While the cooler is connected to the
engine via rubber hoses the cooler is bonded to the engine by a copper
strap from the thru-hull fitting direct to the block.
Now I know that there is less corrosion here in the cool PNW waters than
down south however this is the original keel cooler and it is very much
still serviceable.
It having experienced 45 years of service would tend to negate the
comments of the Lugger rep. who said that they would only last a few years.
John Tones "Penta"
Sidney, BC