Neighbors, did y'all see this?
Best Regards,
Iris Olive
That is great news, thx for sharing!
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While it may seem like Mayor Taylor is conceding to residents opposition, I do not shes quite so generous. San Antonio wants to have their cake and to eat it too. The Mayor wants the frontage road for the tax base from future shopping malls, restaurants, etc. It's a win-win for San Antonio because they get that, but do not have to provide any services to the residents impacted by these new businesses.
So, I am not a fan of being annexed either. However, I believe in offering solutions if I complain so here goes...
What do we need to do to become part of Fair Oaks or Boerne? If joining another municipality is inevitable, let's have some say so about who we join.
I'll look into this, but if anyone knows the answer, please share.
Regards,
Shannon
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I have attached parts of the document that was prepared for the HOA meeting
this last Wed. It addresses the City of Fair Oaks and Boerne questions
that were raised. We are attending the Public Hearings and formally
stating our opposition to the annexation. I did select the portion of the
document that addresses Fair Oaks and Boerne. We have reached out to the
Mayor and City officials with the following results.
Options reviewed and pursued by the LSR BODs.
For annexation by another municipality, LSR must be within their
Extraterritorial Jurisdiction (ETJ). Currently, LSR is in SA’s ETJ. (5
Miles outside SA City Limits). We would need to request a release from
City of SA and that request must be made by the municipality.
§ For Example, the Woods of Fair Oaks petitioned the City of SA to release
them to be annexed into Fair Oaks. Fair Oaks requested the release from
the City of SA ETJ and due to service issues requiring SA fire, garbage PU
and rescue to drive through Fair Oaks; the decision was made by the City
Council to allow the release. There also was a fee of $100K that the Woods
paid to the City of SA for that release. The Woods was allowed due to
them touching the borders of the City of Fair Oaks. LSR has IH10 between
us and Fair Oaks.
§ LSR is not in the EJT for Boerne. We, therefore, cannot request the
release to the City of Boerne.
§ The City of Fair Oaks is not interested in additional annexation outside
the Woods which was recently done. We are not in the ETJ for Fair Oaks,
which prohibits us from being considered. Since we are in the City of SA's
ETJ, Fair Oaks would have to request release from SA ETJ. Fair Oaks has
denied our request.
§ LSR is outside the City of Boerne’s ETJ. This means that we are not
able to be released to the City of Boerne’s ETJ.
LSR BODs.
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Tom,
Thanks for sending the information. I wish it was better news. I guess we are back to the original "to be or not to be San Antonio".
Would it be helpful for there to be more residents at the public hearings? I'd be glad to attend.
Regards,
Shannon
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On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Angotti via Discussion discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com wrote:
I have attached parts of the document that was prepared for the HOA meeting
this last Wed. It addresses the City of Fair Oaks and Boerne questions
that were raised. We are attending the Public Hearings and formally
stating our opposition to the annexation. I did select the portion of the
document that addresses Fair Oaks and Boerne. We have reached out to the
Mayor and City officials with the following results.
Options reviewed and pursued by the LSR BODs.
For annexation by another municipality, LSR must be within their
Extraterritorial Jurisdiction (ETJ). Currently, LSR is in SA’s ETJ. (5
Miles outside SA City Limits). We would need to request a release from
City of SA and that request must be made by the municipality.
§ For Example, the Woods of Fair Oaks petitioned the City of SA to release
them to be annexed into Fair Oaks. Fair Oaks requested the release from
the City of SA ETJ and due to service issues requiring SA fire, garbage PU
and rescue to drive through Fair Oaks; the decision was made by the City
Council to allow the release. There also was a fee of $100K that the Woods
paid to the City of SA for that release. The Woods was allowed due to
them touching the borders of the City of Fair Oaks. LSR has IH10 between
us and Fair Oaks.
§ LSR is not in the EJT for Boerne. We, therefore, cannot request the
release to the City of Boerne.
§ The City of Fair Oaks is not interested in additional annexation outside
the Woods which was recently done. We are not in the ETJ for Fair Oaks,
which prohibits us from being considered. Since we are in the City of SA's
ETJ, Fair Oaks would have to request release from SA ETJ. Fair Oaks has
denied our request.
§ LSR is outside the City of Boerne’s ETJ. This means that we are not
able to be released to the City of Boerne’s ETJ.
LSR BODs.
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Wouldn't Boerne have to annex a pretty good sized chunk of real estate
in order for us to become a part of them? Fair Oaks might be a better
option ... but would Fair Oaks a) be interested and b) be any less
expensive in taxes?
Ralph D. Wilson II
Microsoft Certified Database Developer
RDW2@gvtc.com
9038 Woodland Trace
Boerne, TX 78006
Home: (830) 981-8884
Cell: (210) 387-7744
Fax: (830) 981-5726
On 9/18/2015 12:43 PM, Shannon Jackson via Discussion wrote:
While it may seem like Mayor Taylor is conceding to residents opposition, I do not shes quite so generous. San Antonio wants to have their cake and to eat it too. The Mayor wants the frontage road for the tax base from future shopping malls, restaurants, etc. It's a win-win for San Antonio because they get that, but do not have to provide any services to the residents impacted by these new businesses.
So, I am not a fan of being annexed either. However, I believe in offering solutions if I complain so here goes...
What do we need to do to become part of Fair Oaks or Boerne? If joining another municipality is inevitable, let's have some say so about who we join.
I'll look into this, but if anyone knows the answer, please share.
Regards,
Shannon
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All,
below are my notes from the HOA meeting. I am attempting to keep this brief and address the topics that have been raised and where answers have been provided. Trying to address almost like an FAQ.
Option: Limestone ranch join with Fair Oaks City (or another HOA we do not adjoin)
Response: To join we would have to physically join Fair Oaks. To join another city you must physically border it, I10 divides us and under Texas law therefore prohibits us joining. This option is therefore not open.
Option: Limestone ranch opt out of SA annexation and join Boerne City
Response: Similar to above, we have to be adjoined initially which we are not. This would require not only us but all property owners between here and county line to the north to agree, we would have to pay SA city to get out (a not insignificant sum, perhaps $100,000) and the city still would have the option to decline our request. It is reasonable to assume this option is also off the table due to the number of groups involved.
Option: Fight the decision to be annexed. Similar to above, SA city have the authority to insist on the annexation. This is due to the ETJ established by the city years back. They are within their rights to annex anyone within the SA ETJ. Dominion fought against it and threw significant funds into the fight. It is our attorneys opinion we would not win and would be wasting our money and breath.
Option: Join with adjacent properties to fight annexation. Similar response to above, whilst there are more voices ultimately the city can enforce the annexation and as mention Dominion employed significant resources to fight it and failed.
Question: What is impact on our taxes.
Response: It is estimated our taxes would increase approx 20-24%. We pay a 10% premium for water as we are outside of the limits. This would reduce when annexed. We would also receive a discount for sewerage charges as we are not on the main system. Waste collection would be provided by the city rather than Tiger Sanitation. This increase would not take place for 3 years.
Question: what happens between now and the full annexation in 3 years.
Response: The city have various commitments to meet that is outlined in Tom's notes and also from the website associated with the annexation. Basically a lot of it is based on response times for emergency services. These cannot be affected. There will apparently be a new fire station built along I10 to serve us.
Question: Impact on schools and potential for this to change in the future.
Response: No impact on existing schools and highly unlikely to change in the future as would require rezoning (i think that was the word used). Lawyer advised this was a complex situation and was unlikely to change.
Question: How will we be addressing this as a community?
Response: Tom will be attending the various meetings and speaking on behalf of the 137 residences within LSR. LSR's position is to reject the annexation and will be communicated during the meetings.
Question: will we be forced to take new service from SA city (eg sewerage)
Response: No.
Info: The annexation stipulates the type of zoning that will be applied to certain areas. The area immediately adjacent to I10 will be C2 (I believe that is correct title) for light commercial use. In other words there won't be large apartment blocks being raised. If the mayor is looking to only annex this portion it would be prudent for us to ensure this proposed classification would be retained.
Question: Do we have any options to soften the impact of being annexed if it does happen
Response: Lawyer advised no. We can raise our voice but due to the existing ETJ from SA city we are at the mercy of their decision. We can voice our opinion but really have minimal say in the matter.
Info: The mayor appears to be keen to not annex the residential properties.
Response (this is my personal opinion but wasn't discussed in the HOA meeting) - On face value this seems good for us (in the sense we would stay as we are with no increase in taxes). The risk i see is if the area adjacent to I10 is approved for a different kind of zoning. Ie something other than light commercial. I am assuming we could have a voice in the matter as it would be adjacent to ourselves. My suggestion is we keep an eye on this or even have the board reach out to the mayor to obtain clarification on the alternative she is proposing and understand the potential impact on ourselves. I do keep asking myself what is in it for the mayor by not annexing us and i can't understand that as she would be walking away from a significant potential revenue source. Again, perhaps the BOD could make contact with the mayor on our behalf and better understand her position and justification.
I hope this is of use and will probably cover much of what Tom has prepared and shared at the HOA meeting. I am assuming his notes will also be shared along with the HOA meeting minutes on the LSR website.
In a nutshell it appears we will have little influence on the decision. (The example quoted was Dominion). I realise this is unlikely to be the answer we all want to hear (i certainly was deflated when i left the meeting) but it appears to be the reality of the situation.
If there are further questions i can try to answer them (as i have probably missed a few things that were covered in the meeting) but i would say the board appear to have done a good job in researching this issue and responding to the queries raised by the residents.
kind regards
Russell
On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:50 PM, Ralph Wilson via Discussion discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com wrote:
Wouldn't Boerne have to annex a pretty good sized chunk of real estate
in order for us to become a part of them? Fair Oaks might be a better
option ... but would Fair Oaks a) be interested and b) be any less
expensive in taxes?
Ralph D. Wilson II
Microsoft Certified Database Developer
RDW2@gvtc.com
9038 Woodland Trace
Boerne, TX 78006
Home: (830) 981-8884
Cell: (210) 387-7744
Fax: (830) 981-5726
On 9/18/2015 12:43 PM, Shannon Jackson via Discussion wrote:
While it may seem like Mayor Taylor is conceding to residents opposition, I do not shes quite so generous. San Antonio wants to have their cake and to eat it too. The Mayor wants the frontage road for the tax base from future shopping malls, restaurants, etc. It's a win-win for San Antonio because they get that, but do not have to provide any services to the residents impacted by these new businesses.
So, I am not a fan of being annexed either. However, I believe in offering solutions if I complain so here goes...
What do we need to do to become part of Fair Oaks or Boerne? If joining another municipality is inevitable, let's have some say so about who we join.
I'll look into this, but if anyone knows the answer, please share.
Regards,
Shannon
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Thank you for your attention to the matter and the excellent email
summarizing your findings. Very helpful!
Nancy Beebe
On Sep 19, 2015 11:12 AM, "Russell Hollingworth via Discussion" <
discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote:
All,
below are my notes from the HOA meeting. I am attempting to keep this
brief and address the topics that have been raised and where answers have
been provided. Trying to address almost like an FAQ.
Option: Limestone ranch join with Fair Oaks City (or another HOA we do not
adjoin)
Response: To join we would have to physically join Fair Oaks. To join
another city you must physically border it, I10 divides us and under Texas
law therefore prohibits us joining. This option is therefore not open.
Option: Limestone ranch opt out of SA annexation and join Boerne City
Response: Similar to above, we have to be adjoined initially which we are
not. This would require not only us but all property owners between here
and county line to the north to agree, we would have to pay SA city to get
out (a not insignificant sum, perhaps $100,000) and the city still would
have the option to decline our request. It is reasonable to assume this
option is also off the table due to the number of groups involved.
Option: Fight the decision to be annexed. Similar to above, SA city have
the authority to insist on the annexation. This is due to the ETJ
established by the city years back. They are within their rights to annex
anyone within the SA ETJ. Dominion fought against it and threw significant
funds into the fight. It is our attorneys opinion we would not win and
would be wasting our money and breath.
Option: Join with adjacent properties to fight annexation. Similar
response to above, whilst there are more voices ultimately the city can
enforce the annexation and as mention Dominion employed significant
resources to fight it and failed.
Question: What is impact on our taxes.
Response: It is estimated our taxes would increase approx 20-24%. We pay a
10% premium for water as we are outside of the limits. This would reduce
when annexed. We would also receive a discount for sewerage charges as we
are not on the main system. Waste collection would be provided by the city
rather than Tiger Sanitation. This increase would not take place for 3
years.
Question: what happens between now and the full annexation in 3 years.
Response: The city have various commitments to meet that is outlined in
Tom's notes and also from the website associated with the annexation.
Basically a lot of it is based on response times for emergency services.
These cannot be affected. There will apparently be a new fire station built
along I10 to serve us.
Question: Impact on schools and potential for this to change in the future.
Response: No impact on existing schools and highly unlikely to change in
the future as would require rezoning (i think that was the word used).
Lawyer advised this was a complex situation and was unlikely to change.
Question: How will we be addressing this as a community?
Response: Tom will be attending the various meetings and speaking on
behalf of the 137 residences within LSR. LSR's position is to reject the
annexation and will be communicated during the meetings.
Question: will we be forced to take new service from SA city (eg sewerage)
Response: No.
Info: The annexation stipulates the type of zoning that will be applied to
certain areas. The area immediately adjacent to I10 will be C2 (I believe
that is correct title) for light commercial use. In other words there won't
be large apartment blocks being raised. If the mayor is looking to only
annex this portion it would be prudent for us to ensure this proposed
classification would be retained.
Question: Do we have any options to soften the impact of being annexed if
it does happen
Response: Lawyer advised no. We can raise our voice but due to the
existing ETJ from SA city we are at the mercy of their decision. We can
voice our opinion but really have minimal say in the matter.
Info: The mayor appears to be keen to not annex the residential properties.
Response (this is my personal opinion but wasn't discussed in the HOA
meeting) - On face value this seems good for us (in the sense we would stay
as we are with no increase in taxes). The risk i see is if the area
adjacent to I10 is approved for a different kind of zoning. Ie something
other than light commercial. I am assuming we could have a voice in the
matter as it would be adjacent to ourselves. My suggestion is we keep an
eye on this or even have the board reach out to the mayor to obtain
clarification on the alternative she is proposing and understand the
potential impact on ourselves. I do keep asking myself what is in it for
the mayor by not annexing us and i can't understand that as she would be
walking away from a significant potential revenue source. Again, perhaps
the BOD could make contact with the mayor on our behalf and better
understand her position and justification.
I hope this is of use and will probably cover much of what Tom has
prepared and shared at the HOA meeting. I am assuming his notes will also
be shared along with the HOA meeting minutes on the LSR website.
In a nutshell it appears we will have little influence on the decision.
(The example quoted was Dominion). I realise this is unlikely to be the
answer we all want to hear (i certainly was deflated when i left the
meeting) but it appears to be the reality of the situation.
If there are further questions i can try to answer them (as i have
probably missed a few things that were covered in the meeting) but i would
say the board appear to have done a good job in researching this issue and
responding to the queries raised by the residents.
kind regards
Russell
On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:50 PM, Ralph Wilson via Discussion <
Wouldn't Boerne have to annex a pretty good sized chunk of real estate
in order for us to become a part of them? Fair Oaks might be a better
option ... but would Fair Oaks a) be interested and b) be any less
expensive in taxes?
Ralph D. Wilson II
Microsoft Certified Database Developer
RDW2@gvtc.com
9038 Woodland Trace
Boerne, TX 78006
Home: (830) 981-8884
Cell: (210) 387-7744
Fax: (830) 981-5726
On 9/18/2015 12:43 PM, Shannon Jackson via Discussion wrote:
While it may seem like Mayor Taylor is conceding to residents
opposition, I do not shes quite so generous. San Antonio wants to have
their cake and to eat it too. The Mayor wants the frontage road for the
tax base from future shopping malls, restaurants, etc. It's a win-win for
San Antonio because they get that, but do not have to provide any services
to the residents impacted by these new businesses.
So, I am not a fan of being annexed either. However, I believe in
offering solutions if I complain so here goes...
What do we need to do to become part of Fair Oaks or Boerne? If
joining another municipality is inevitable, let's have some say so about
who we join.
I'll look into this, but if anyone knows the answer, please share.
Regards,
Shannon
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