Arild posted: "... I now realize that those old time boat designers probably knew and had forgoten more about real yacht design than most contemporary buat building yards nowknow...." I'm not sure I'd go quite that far, but it's a darn good point. And when I consider the materials, accessory equipment and power options available today that weren't available say 50 years ago, it becomes pretty easy to agree. When I realize the boat I grew up on, a wooden 1925 38ft single screw Matthews, had caulking cottom and oil based caulk between those many,many feet of underwater seams, no fiberglass,no fiberglass screen, painted canvass decks, in fact I can't recall any synthetics, I don't think even plywood, no aquamet 22 for shafts nor any other ss I can recall, just bronze alloys, no electrical refrigeration it's amazing the design and durability provided. The ingenious wooden window design never seemed to leak and at some point my Dad installed a 12 volt military kerosense central hot air heater that put out air so hot the heating ducts had to be insulated to prevent scorching wood and burning hands...so with ice for refrigeration, no air conditioning, and few other accessories, there was no need for a generator....simplicity!!! Rob Brueckner1972 Hatteras YF _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan

i often ask.... "what have boat builders learn in the past 30 or 40 years?" judging by todays boat, not much except making most mid size boat ridiculously expensive (400k for 40' boat) and make them sylish at the expense of practical. 10 days ago, we were tied up at Duck Key, out in the corner, and i coudln't help but noticing an oder 41 Hatt almost in front of us. We went over to chat with the owner, neither my girlfriend or I cound't stand not knowing more about the boat... Turned out to be a 1967 41 Double Cabin, fully restored yet very original, but most importantly an original owner boat ! The owner was on board a very nice gentleman in his 80s along with is son who was 14 when the boat was delivered. Looking at the boat, the cabin design, the large master, the huge aft deck, nice side decks, etc... we coudlnt' help wonder what happened in 41 years? More gadgets, a little more convenience but really nothign in term of design, space and usability. In many ways, the same can be said of the my old 53MY, I laugh when I read Hatteras brochures claiming 12" side decks, 130' sq feet aft deck, room for an 11' foot dink on a 64 footer. I have 17" side decks, 150 sq ft aft and 13' dink on a boat that has almost 3' narrower beam! What a waste of resources and technology, some modern boats don't even give you any flat foredeck area to stand on for anchoring duties, like some million dollars Azimut! Pascal Miami,fl 70 hatteras 53MY live helm cam @www.sandbarhopper.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Brueckner" <rebrueckner405@hotmail.com> To: "aT&T" <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: T&T: Fuel Manifolds:Yacht Design > Arild posted: "... I now realize that those old time boat designers > probably > knew and had forgoten more about real yacht design than most contemporary > buat building yards nowknow...."