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Wayne & Lynn Flatt

Tue, Feb 17, 2009 2:12 PM

The price different between a 24 foot Digital SSB antenna and a Shakespeare
23 foot is significant. What is the effective functional difference and does
it justify the cost difference. Further, is a two section significantly more
effective than a three section antenna.

Bones,
aka Wayne & Lynn Flatt
MV Skinwalker preparing for a slow ooze north to Baltimore.

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The price different between a 24 foot Digital SSB antenna and a Shakespeare 23 foot is significant. What is the effective functional difference and does it justify the cost difference. Further, is a two section significantly more effective than a three section antenna. Bones, aka Wayne & Lynn Flatt MV Skinwalker preparing for a slow ooze north to Baltimore. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_02200 9

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Ron Rogers

Tue, Feb 17, 2009 3:05 PM

Wayne,

Two versus three sections is more a shipping issue than an issue of quality
or performance. Personally, I think two section antennas are stronger. To
make a more valid comparison between the brands, you may wish to look at
Shakespeare's Classic antenna catalog: <
http://www.shakespeare-marine.com/catalog/classic.pdf >. There is a
commercial section where there is a greater variety of rugged SSB antennas.
Although only warranted for two years versus the Galaxy line's five years,
they may be superior performers.

At least one distinguished yachtsman and NAR veteran has had bad experiences
with his Digital products and has experienced poor customer service - even
when he was 20 minutes from the factory.

If you are seeking the best antenna, get a Morad brand. A few bucks more,
but definitely the best. Some folks in Florida sell a Norwegian brand which
they swear by, but I'd go with Morad. Having said that, my boat has both
Digital and Shakespeare VHF antennas and I'd be hard-pressed to compare them
unless one of them broke or leaked or failed. Where you locate the antenna
in relation to the tuner and ground plane is the key.

Ron Rogers

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne & Lynn Flatt

The price different between a 24 foot Digital SSB antenna and a Shakespeare
23 foot is significant. What is the effective functional difference and
does
it justify the cost difference. Further, is a two section significantly
more
effective than a three section antenna.

Wayne, Two versus three sections is more a shipping issue than an issue of quality or performance. Personally, I think two section antennas are stronger. To make a more valid comparison between the brands, you may wish to look at Shakespeare's Classic antenna catalog: < http://www.shakespeare-marine.com/catalog/classic.pdf >. There is a commercial section where there is a greater variety of rugged SSB antennas. Although only warranted for two years versus the Galaxy line's five years, they may be superior performers. At least one distinguished yachtsman and NAR veteran has had bad experiences with his Digital products and has experienced poor customer service - even when he was 20 minutes from the factory. If you are seeking the best antenna, get a Morad brand. A few bucks more, but definitely the best. Some folks in Florida sell a Norwegian brand which they swear by, but I'd go with Morad. Having said that, my boat has both Digital and Shakespeare VHF antennas and I'd be hard-pressed to compare them unless one of them broke or leaked or failed. Where you locate the antenna in relation to the tuner and ground plane is the key. Ron Rogers -----Original Message----- From: Wayne & Lynn Flatt The price different between a 24 foot Digital SSB antenna and a Shakespeare 23 foot is significant. What is the effective functional difference and does it justify the cost difference. Further, is a two section significantly more effective than a three section antenna.

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Mike. Maurice

Tue, Feb 17, 2009 6:31 PM

The price different between a 24 foot Digital SSB antenna and a Shakespeare
23 foot is significant. What is the effective functional difference and does
it justify the cost difference. Further, is a two section significantly more
effective than a three section antenna.

I have not looked at the specs for these two antennas, but it may be
that the more expensive unit is rated for higher wattage. An antenna
that will handle 150 watts is not likely to be capable of handling 500
or 1000. The general run of transmitters put out 150, and can drive an
add on amplifier of 500-1000 watts. Very few recreational boats have the
add on amplifier.

Mike

Capt. Mike Maurice
Tigard Oregon(Near Portland)

> The price different between a 24 foot Digital SSB antenna and a Shakespeare > 23 foot is significant. What is the effective functional difference and does > it justify the cost difference. Further, is a two section significantly more > effective than a three section antenna. I have not looked at the specs for these two antennas, but it may be that the more expensive unit is rated for higher wattage. An antenna that will handle 150 watts is not likely to be capable of handling 500 or 1000. The general run of transmitters put out 150, and can drive an add on amplifier of 500-1000 watts. Very few recreational boats have the add on amplifier. Mike _____________________________________ Capt. Mike Maurice Tigard Oregon(Near Portland)

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Ron Rogers

Tue, Feb 17, 2009 6:56 PM

The Morad WH series of unloaded whip antennas is designed for use with
built-in and remote antenna couplers - to cover the marine frequencies
between 2 and 30 MHz. The antenna is fed
at the base with open wire from the output of the antenna coupler.
All fittings are machined from solid brass and electroless nickel plated.
All base tubes and midsections are made of corrosion-resistant aluminum
tubing and are gold anodized or white powdercoated to meet Mil specs.
Stainless steel fasteners are used throughout. Available in gold anodized
or white painted except the WH35 comes in gold only
WH15 - 15' overall, consists of an 8', 1" diameter base tube and a 7'
fiberglass tip. $149.00 WH17 - 17' overall, consists of a 10', 1"
diameter base tube and a 7' fiberglass tip. $163.00 WH23 - 23'
overall, consists of a 12', 1 1/2" diameter base tube, a 5', 1" diameter
midsection and a 7' fiberglass tip. $252.00
WH23-UPS - 23' overall, consists of an 8', 1 1/2" diameter base tube, an
8', 1" diameter midsection and a 7' fiberglass tip. $252.00
WH28 - 28' overall, consists of a 12', 1 1/2" diameter base tube, a 10', 1"
diameter midsection and a 7' fiberglass tip. $303.00
WH28-UPS - 28' overall, consists of an 8', 1 1/2" diameter base tube, 1
6', 1 1/2" base tube, an 8', 1" diameter midsection and a 7' fiberglass tip.
$318.00
WH35 - 35' overall, consists of a 10', 1 7/8" diameter base tube, a 10', 1
1/2" diameter midsection, a 10', 1" diameter midsection and a 7' fiberglass
tip. NOTE: Requires special model M35 Heavy Duty mounts. $1,054.00

Fisheries Supply, as and example, sells the WH28 for $272.70.

Ron Rogers

The Morad WH series of unloaded whip antennas is designed for use with built-in and remote antenna couplers - to cover the marine frequencies between 2 and 30 MHz. The antenna is fed at the base with open wire from the output of the antenna coupler. All fittings are machined from solid brass and electroless nickel plated. All base tubes and midsections are made of corrosion-resistant aluminum tubing and are gold anodized or white powdercoated to meet Mil specs. Stainless steel fasteners are used throughout. Available in gold anodized or white painted except the WH35 comes in gold only WH15 - 15' overall, consists of an 8', 1" diameter base tube and a 7' fiberglass tip. $149.00 WH17 - 17' overall, consists of a 10', 1" diameter base tube and a 7' fiberglass tip. $163.00 WH23 - 23' overall, consists of a 12', 1 1/2" diameter base tube, a 5', 1" diameter midsection and a 7' fiberglass tip. $252.00 WH23-UPS - 23' overall, consists of an 8', 1 1/2" diameter base tube, an 8', 1" diameter midsection and a 7' fiberglass tip. $252.00 WH28 - 28' overall, consists of a 12', 1 1/2" diameter base tube, a 10', 1" diameter midsection and a 7' fiberglass tip. $303.00 WH28-UPS - 28' overall, consists of an 8', 1 1/2" diameter base tube, 1 6', 1 1/2" base tube, an 8', 1" diameter midsection and a 7' fiberglass tip. $318.00 WH35 - 35' overall, consists of a 10', 1 7/8" diameter base tube, a 10', 1 1/2" diameter midsection, a 10', 1" diameter midsection and a 7' fiberglass tip. NOTE: Requires special model M35 Heavy Duty mounts. $1,054.00 Fisheries Supply, as and example, sells the WH28 for $272.70. Ron Rogers

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David Hart

Fri, Mar 26, 2010 10:25 PM

Several days ago I received a letter from the NY state sales tax bureau. In it they say "Presently, we are unable to verify your tax payment or any exemption from tax claimed for this vessel." It also has the usual threats of fines and interest payments and the address where I should send my check. Fortunately when I purchased this boat in 2006 the broker marina collected from me the appropriate sales tax and noted so very clearly on the sales invoice. The boat is also registered in NY state and it could not be registered without paying or having already paid the sales tax. I called the individual, Ken Bushey, of the Sales Tax Desk Audit Unit as listed in the letter. I asked him how they came to send this to me. He was nice about it and admitted they are going down the Coast Guard documentation list and sending these out. I said the boat is registered in NY state and he could verify it there. However they are not interested in that. I have to prove I
paid the tax. So I sent a copy of my invoice to him.
So if anyone gets this letter this is what is going on and this is all further proof that NY state is a nice place to be from, not in.
Thanks

Dave Hart

Several days ago I received a letter from the NY state sales tax bureau. In it they say "Presently, we are unable to verify your tax payment or any exemption from tax claimed for this vessel." It also has the usual threats of fines and interest payments and the address where I should send my check. Fortunately when I purchased this boat in 2006 the broker marina collected from me the appropriate sales tax and noted so very clearly on the sales invoice. The boat is also registered in NY state and it could not be registered without paying or having already paid the sales tax. I called the individual, Ken Bushey, of the Sales Tax Desk Audit Unit as listed in the letter. I asked him how they came to send this to me. He was nice about it and admitted they are going down the Coast Guard documentation list and sending these out. I said the boat is registered in NY state and he could verify it there. However they are not interested in that. I have to prove I paid the tax. So I sent a copy of my invoice to him. So if anyone gets this letter this is what is going on and this is all further proof that NY state is a nice place to be from, not in. Thanks Dave Hart

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Paige Reeves

Fri, Mar 26, 2010 11:18 PM

Several days ago I received a letter from the NY state sales tax bureau.

This action seems to be very little different than the scam where someone
publishes details of a company compiled from public records in a so called
'Trade Directory' and then sends the company an invoice for the entry.

P.

> Several days ago I received a letter from the NY state sales tax bureau. This action seems to be very little different than the scam where someone publishes details of a company compiled from public records in a so called 'Trade Directory' and then sends the company an invoice for the entry. P.

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Ron Rogers

Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:12 PM

In 1968, NY State used the US Documentation rolls to levy the sales tax on
my boat, purchased in Connecticut. At the time, I was told that federal law
provided that the Documentation rolls were not to be used by the states as a
source of information for taxation. If that was ever the law, it sure wasn't
obeyed by NYS. Nothing is new under the Sun. Insisting on evidence when you
have already legally registered the vessel is a cynical attempt to take
advantage of those who have misplaced their sales records.

Ron Rogers

-----Original Message-----
From: David Hart
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 6:26 PM

Several days ago I received a letter from the NY state sales tax bureau. In
it they say "Presently, we are unable to verify your tax payment or any
exemption from tax claimed for this vessel." It also has the usual threats
of fines and interest payments and the address where I should send my check.
Fortunately when I purchased this boat in 2006 the broker marina collected
from me the appropriate sales tax and noted so very clearly on the sales
invoice. The boat is also registered in NY state and it could not be
registered without paying or having already paid the sales tax. I called the
individual, Ken Bushey, of the Sales Tax Desk Audit Unit as listed in the
letter. I asked him how they came to send this to me. He was nice about it
and admitted they are going down the Coast Guard documentation list and
sending these out. I said the boat is registered in NY state and he could
verify it there. However they are not interested in that. I have to prove I
paid the tax. So I sent a copy of my invoice to him.

In 1968, NY State used the US Documentation rolls to levy the sales tax on my boat, purchased in Connecticut. At the time, I was told that federal law provided that the Documentation rolls were not to be used by the states as a source of information for taxation. If that was ever the law, it sure wasn't obeyed by NYS. Nothing is new under the Sun. Insisting on evidence when you have already legally registered the vessel is a cynical attempt to take advantage of those who have misplaced their sales records. Ron Rogers -----Original Message----- From: David Hart Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 6:26 PM Several days ago I received a letter from the NY state sales tax bureau. In it they say "Presently, we are unable to verify your tax payment or any exemption from tax claimed for this vessel." It also has the usual threats of fines and interest payments and the address where I should send my check. Fortunately when I purchased this boat in 2006 the broker marina collected from me the appropriate sales tax and noted so very clearly on the sales invoice. The boat is also registered in NY state and it could not be registered without paying or having already paid the sales tax. I called the individual, Ken Bushey, of the Sales Tax Desk Audit Unit as listed in the letter. I asked him how they came to send this to me. He was nice about it and admitted they are going down the Coast Guard documentation list and sending these out. I said the boat is registered in NY state and he could verify it there. However they are not interested in that. I have to prove I paid the tax. So I sent a copy of my invoice to him.

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