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Questions about Austron 5000 Loran C receiver

M
mehdi
Sat, Apr 13, 2013 12:07 PM

hi dears

i'm newer here.
i have some questions about loran-c receiver.can you help me?
i want to know how can i find third zero crossing in loran-c receiver?
i find third zero cross by peterson 's method from this paper:
Analysis of Noise and Cycle Selection in a Loran Receiver
but due to Gausian noise,when i find third zero cross,it is not correct and
it is before or after correct third zero cross.i want to know how can i
track and correct third zero cross?(in other words what is acquisition in
loran-c receivers and how can i do?)
have you any matlab code or papers or thesis for this problems?
pleassssssssssssse help me?
:(
thanks a lot

> >hi dears i'm newer here. i have some questions about loran-c receiver.can you help me? i want to know how can i find third zero crossing in loran-c receiver? i find third zero cross by peterson 's method from this paper: Analysis of Noise and Cycle Selection in a Loran Receiver but due to Gausian noise,when i find third zero cross,it is not correct and it is before or after correct third zero cross.i want to know how can i track and correct third zero cross?(in other words what is acquisition in loran-c receivers and how can i do?) have you any matlab code or papers or thesis for this problems? pleassssssssssssse help me? :( thanks a lot > >
RK
Rob Kimberley
Sat, Apr 13, 2013 1:21 PM

Hi,

I don't know this model from Austron, but you could try asking fellow Time
Nuts if anyone has a manual for the 5000 which should include the full
calibration procedure.

I know on the Austron 2000C the calibration procedure was quite a long to
set it up correctly. I'm sure that the 5000 will be similar.

Rob

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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Questions about Austron 5000 Loran C receiver

hi dears

i'm newer here.
i have some questions about loran-c receiver.can you help me?
i want to know how can i find third zero crossing in loran-c receiver?
i find third zero cross by peterson 's method from this paper:
Analysis of Noise and Cycle Selection in a Loran Receiver but due to Gausian
noise,when i find third zero cross,it is not correct and it is before or
after correct third zero cross.i want to know how can i track and correct
third zero cross?(in other words what is acquisition in loran-c receivers
and how can i do?) have you any matlab code or papers or thesis for this
problems?
pleassssssssssssse help me?
:(
thanks a lot


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Hi, I don't know this model from Austron, but you could try asking fellow Time Nuts if anyone has a manual for the 5000 which should include the full calibration procedure. I know on the Austron 2000C the calibration procedure was quite a long to set it up correctly. I'm sure that the 5000 will be similar. Rob -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of mehdi Sent: 13 April 2013 13:08 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Questions about Austron 5000 Loran C receiver > >hi dears i'm newer here. i have some questions about loran-c receiver.can you help me? i want to know how can i find third zero crossing in loran-c receiver? i find third zero cross by peterson 's method from this paper: Analysis of Noise and Cycle Selection in a Loran Receiver but due to Gausian noise,when i find third zero cross,it is not correct and it is before or after correct third zero cross.i want to know how can i track and correct third zero cross?(in other words what is acquisition in loran-c receivers and how can i do?) have you any matlab code or papers or thesis for this problems? pleassssssssssssse help me? :( thanks a lot > > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
BC
Bob Camp
Sat, Apr 13, 2013 2:01 PM

Hi

The concept you most commonly see is a curve fit approach. You know the structure of the waveform through several cycles. You can fit this "model waveform" to the observed data over a large number of points. As you fit more points, the impact of the noise is reduced.

Bob

On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:07 AM, mehdi electrostudent@gmail.com wrote:

hi dears

i'm newer here.
i have some questions about loran-c receiver.can you help me?
i want to know how can i find third zero crossing in loran-c receiver?
i find third zero cross by peterson 's method from this paper:
Analysis of Noise and Cycle Selection in a Loran Receiver
but due to Gausian noise,when i find third zero cross,it is not correct and
it is before or after correct third zero cross.i want to know how can i
track and correct third zero cross?(in other words what is acquisition in
loran-c receivers and how can i do?)
have you any matlab code or papers or thesis for this problems?
pleassssssssssssse help me?
:(
thanks a lot


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Hi The concept you most commonly see is a curve fit approach. You know the structure of the waveform through several cycles. You can fit this "model waveform" to the observed data over a large number of points. As you fit more points, the impact of the noise is reduced. Bob On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:07 AM, mehdi <electrostudent@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> hi dears > i'm newer here. > i have some questions about loran-c receiver.can you help me? > i want to know how can i find third zero crossing in loran-c receiver? > i find third zero cross by peterson 's method from this paper: > Analysis of Noise and Cycle Selection in a Loran Receiver > but due to Gausian noise,when i find third zero cross,it is not correct and > it is before or after correct third zero cross.i want to know how can i > track and correct third zero cross?(in other words what is acquisition in > loran-c receivers and how can i do?) > have you any matlab code or papers or thesis for this problems? > pleassssssssssssse help me? > :( > thanks a lot > >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
PS
paul swed
Sat, Apr 13, 2013 2:55 PM

Its a master timing rcvr from the simple research I have done. Must be
fallout from the US LORAN C shut down. Anyhow The whole signal spec is here.
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=loranSignalSpec
Its a 8 MB zip
I have done the 2000 procedure and it is complicated to say the least.
Given the vintage of the 5000 it might be the same. But that was quite a
while ago.
Are you in the US?
Regards
Paul

On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Rob Kimberley
robkimberley@btinternet.comwrote:

Hi,

I don't know this model from Austron, but you could try asking fellow Time
Nuts if anyone has a manual for the 5000 which should include the full
calibration procedure.

I know on the Austron 2000C the calibration procedure was quite a long to
set it up correctly. I'm sure that the 5000 will be similar.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of mehdi
Sent: 13 April 2013 13:08
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Questions about Austron 5000 Loran C receiver

hi dears

i'm newer here.
i have some questions about loran-c receiver.can you help me?
i want to know how can i find third zero crossing in loran-c receiver?
i find third zero cross by peterson 's method from this paper:
Analysis of Noise and Cycle Selection in a Loran Receiver but due to
Gausian
noise,when i find third zero cross,it is not correct and it is before or
after correct third zero cross.i want to know how can i track and correct
third zero cross?(in other words what is acquisition in loran-c receivers
and how can i do?) have you any matlab code or papers or thesis for this
problems?
pleassssssssssssse help me?
:(
thanks a lot


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Its a master timing rcvr from the simple research I have done. Must be fallout from the US LORAN C shut down. Anyhow The whole signal spec is here. http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=loranSignalSpec Its a 8 MB zip I have done the 2000 procedure and it is complicated to say the least. Given the vintage of the 5000 it might be the same. But that was quite a while ago. Are you in the US? Regards Paul On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Rob Kimberley <robkimberley@btinternet.com>wrote: > Hi, > > I don't know this model from Austron, but you could try asking fellow Time > Nuts if anyone has a manual for the 5000 which should include the full > calibration procedure. > > I know on the Austron 2000C the calibration procedure was quite a long to > set it up correctly. I'm sure that the 5000 will be similar. > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of mehdi > Sent: 13 April 2013 13:08 > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Questions about Austron 5000 Loran C receiver > > > > >hi dears > i'm newer here. > i have some questions about loran-c receiver.can you help me? > i want to know how can i find third zero crossing in loran-c receiver? > i find third zero cross by peterson 's method from this paper: > Analysis of Noise and Cycle Selection in a Loran Receiver but due to > Gausian > noise,when i find third zero cross,it is not correct and it is before or > after correct third zero cross.i want to know how can i track and correct > third zero cross?(in other words what is acquisition in loran-c receivers > and how can i do?) have you any matlab code or papers or thesis for this > problems? > pleassssssssssssse help me? > :( > thanks a lot > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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paul swed
Sat, Apr 13, 2013 3:04 PM

An additional thought.
The third cycle is not the thing you would see on a scope looking at the
raw signal. The rcvr determines when the signal has risen above 0. That may
be 1 to 2 really small cycles. Its from that point its the 3rd crossing.
Normally there is a gate out signal thats useful to trigger the scope with.
Regards
Paul

On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:55 AM, paul swed paulswedb@gmail.com wrote:

Its a master timing rcvr from the simple research I have done. Must be
fallout from the US LORAN C shut down. Anyhow The whole signal spec is here.
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=loranSignalSpec
Its a 8 MB zip
I have done the 2000 procedure and it is complicated to say the least.
Given the vintage of the 5000 it might be the same. But that was quite a
while ago.
Are you in the US?
Regards
Paul

On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Rob Kimberley <
robkimberley@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi,

I don't know this model from Austron, but you could try asking fellow Time
Nuts if anyone has a manual for the 5000 which should include the full
calibration procedure.

I know on the Austron 2000C the calibration procedure was quite a long to
set it up correctly. I'm sure that the 5000 will be similar.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of mehdi
Sent: 13 April 2013 13:08
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Questions about Austron 5000 Loran C receiver

hi dears

i'm newer here.
i have some questions about loran-c receiver.can you help me?
i want to know how can i find third zero crossing in loran-c receiver?
i find third zero cross by peterson 's method from this paper:
Analysis of Noise and Cycle Selection in a Loran Receiver but due to
Gausian
noise,when i find third zero cross,it is not correct and it is before or
after correct third zero cross.i want to know how can i track and correct
third zero cross?(in other words what is acquisition in loran-c receivers
and how can i do?) have you any matlab code or papers or thesis for this
problems?
pleassssssssssssse help me?
:(
thanks a lot


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An additional thought. The third cycle is not the thing you would see on a scope looking at the raw signal. The rcvr determines when the signal has risen above 0. That may be 1 to 2 really small cycles. Its from that point its the 3rd crossing. Normally there is a gate out signal thats useful to trigger the scope with. Regards Paul On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:55 AM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > Its a master timing rcvr from the simple research I have done. Must be > fallout from the US LORAN C shut down. Anyhow The whole signal spec is here. > http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=loranSignalSpec > Its a 8 MB zip > I have done the 2000 procedure and it is complicated to say the least. > Given the vintage of the 5000 it might be the same. But that was quite a > while ago. > Are you in the US? > Regards > Paul > > > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Rob Kimberley < > robkimberley@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I don't know this model from Austron, but you could try asking fellow Time >> Nuts if anyone has a manual for the 5000 which should include the full >> calibration procedure. >> >> I know on the Austron 2000C the calibration procedure was quite a long to >> set it up correctly. I'm sure that the 5000 will be similar. >> >> Rob >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On >> Behalf Of mehdi >> Sent: 13 April 2013 13:08 >> To: time-nuts@febo.com >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Questions about Austron 5000 Loran C receiver >> >> >> > >hi dears >> i'm newer here. >> i have some questions about loran-c receiver.can you help me? >> i want to know how can i find third zero crossing in loran-c receiver? >> i find third zero cross by peterson 's method from this paper: >> Analysis of Noise and Cycle Selection in a Loran Receiver but due to >> Gausian >> noise,when i find third zero cross,it is not correct and it is before or >> after correct third zero cross.i want to know how can i track and correct >> third zero cross?(in other words what is acquisition in loran-c receivers >> and how can i do?) have you any matlab code or papers or thesis for this >> problems? >> pleassssssssssssse help me? >> :( >> thanks a lot >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > >
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Tom Van Baak (lab)
Sat, Apr 13, 2013 5:50 PM

See if this helps:
http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/au2100f/scope.htm

/tvb (iPhone4)

See if this helps: http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/au2100f/scope.htm /tvb (iPhone4) >