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Proton Precession Magnetometer

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Neville Michie
Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:26 AM

Hi,
I am boxing up my LPRO rubidium source in a steel box. The device is
to be thermostated
by controlling a small fan outside the box to keep the LPRO at about
40*C.
Although the unit is in a mumetal box I assume there may be some
penetration of earths magnetic field.
The steel box should help that.
To test this I want to build a very stable magnetometer. Now I know
that all you need is a jar of water or kerosene
to give you protons, and a coil around the jar to kick the protons
and then listen to them sing.
I have also been told that these instruments do not work in a
laboratory, as the AC magnetic field
drives them crazy.
I am thinking of lock in amplifiers and phase locked loops.
Also toroidal coil or paired coils.
Can anyone in this group point me to an easy to construct and
fiercely accurate design to build?

cheers, Neville Michie

Hi, I am boxing up my LPRO rubidium source in a steel box. The device is to be thermostated by controlling a small fan outside the box to keep the LPRO at about 40*C. Although the unit is in a mumetal box I assume there may be some penetration of earths magnetic field. The steel box should help that. To test this I want to build a very stable magnetometer. Now I know that all you need is a jar of water or kerosene to give you protons, and a coil around the jar to kick the protons and then listen to them sing. I have also been told that these instruments do not work in a laboratory, as the AC magnetic field drives them crazy. I am thinking of lock in amplifiers and phase locked loops. Also toroidal coil or paired coils. Can anyone in this group point me to an easy to construct and fiercely accurate design to build? cheers, Neville Michie
BE
brent evers
Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:57 AM

Whats the required sensitivity? How much field strength (penetration)
are you trying to measure?

Brent

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Neville Michie namichie@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,
I am boxing up my LPRO rubidium source in a steel box. The device is to be
thermostated
by controlling a small fan outside the box to keep the LPRO at about 40*C.
Although the unit is in a mumetal box I assume there may be some penetration
of earths magnetic field.
The steel box should help that.
To test this I want to build a very stable magnetometer. Now I know that all
you need is a jar of water or kerosene
to give you protons, and a coil around the jar to kick the protons and then
listen to them sing.
I have also been told that these instruments do not work in a laboratory, as
the AC magnetic field
drives them crazy.
I am thinking of lock in amplifiers and phase locked loops.
Also toroidal coil or paired coils.
Can anyone in this group point me to an easy to construct and fiercely
accurate design to build?

cheers, Neville Michie


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Whats the required sensitivity? How much field strength (penetration) are you trying to measure? Brent On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Neville Michie <namichie@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > I am boxing up my LPRO rubidium source in a steel box. The device is to be > thermostated > by controlling a small fan outside the box to keep the LPRO at about 40*C. > Although the unit is in a mumetal box I assume there may be some penetration > of earths magnetic field. > The steel box should help that. > To test this I want to build a very stable magnetometer. Now I know that all > you need is a jar of water or kerosene > to give you protons, and a coil around the jar to kick the protons and then > listen to them sing. > I have also been told that these instruments do not work in a laboratory, as > the AC magnetic field > drives them crazy. > I am thinking of lock in amplifiers and phase locked loops. > Also toroidal coil or paired coils. > Can anyone in this group point me to an easy to construct and fiercely > accurate design to build? > > cheers, Neville Michie > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Eric Garner
Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:12 AM

There's an article in the may 2007 (issue 202) issue of circuit cellar on building a magnetometer that might be a good starting point.

Sent from my Banana jr (tm) Mobile Device

On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Neville Michie namichie@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,
I am boxing up my LPRO rubidium source in a steel box. The device is to be thermostated
by controlling a small fan outside the box to keep the LPRO at about 40*C.
Although the unit is in a mumetal box I assume there may be some penetration of earths magnetic field.
The steel box should help that.
To test this I want to build a very stable magnetometer. Now I know that all you need is a jar of water or kerosene
to give you protons, and a coil around the jar to kick the protons and then listen to them sing.
I have also been told that these instruments do not work in a laboratory, as the AC magnetic field
drives them crazy.
I am thinking of lock in amplifiers and phase locked loops.
Also toroidal coil or paired coils.
Can anyone in this group point me to an easy to construct and fiercely accurate design to build?

cheers, Neville Michie


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There's an article in the may 2007 (issue 202) issue of circuit cellar on building a magnetometer that might be a good starting point. Sent from my Banana jr (tm) Mobile Device On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Neville Michie <namichie@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > I am boxing up my LPRO rubidium source in a steel box. The device is to be thermostated > by controlling a small fan outside the box to keep the LPRO at about 40*C. > Although the unit is in a mumetal box I assume there may be some penetration of earths magnetic field. > The steel box should help that. > To test this I want to build a very stable magnetometer. Now I know that all you need is a jar of water or kerosene > to give you protons, and a coil around the jar to kick the protons and then listen to them sing. > I have also been told that these instruments do not work in a laboratory, as the AC magnetic field > drives them crazy. > I am thinking of lock in amplifiers and phase locked loops. > Also toroidal coil or paired coils. > Can anyone in this group point me to an easy to construct and fiercely accurate design to build? > > cheers, Neville Michie > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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John Miles
Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:36 AM

Hi,
I am boxing up my LPRO rubidium source in a steel box. The device is
to be thermostated
by controlling a small fan outside the box to keep the LPRO at about
40*C.
Although the unit is in a mumetal box I assume there may be some
penetration of earths magnetic field.
The steel box should help that.
To test this I want to build a very stable magnetometer. Now I know
that all you need is a jar of water or kerosene
to give you protons, and a coil around the jar to kick the protons
and then listen to them sing.
I have also been told that these instruments do not work in a
laboratory, as the AC magnetic field
drives them crazy.
I am thinking of lock in amplifiers and phase locked loops.
Also toroidal coil or paired coils.
Can anyone in this group point me to an easy to construct and
fiercely accurate design to build?

Check out Joe Geller's work ( http://www.gellerlabs.com/index.html ) and
also Jim Koehler's (
http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=mag&file=/info/ko
ehler/index.dat&zoom ).  The May 2007 issue of Circuit Cellar had a shorter
article by Jim.

-- john, KE5FX

> Hi, > I am boxing up my LPRO rubidium source in a steel box. The device is > to be thermostated > by controlling a small fan outside the box to keep the LPRO at about > 40*C. > Although the unit is in a mumetal box I assume there may be some > penetration of earths magnetic field. > The steel box should help that. > To test this I want to build a very stable magnetometer. Now I know > that all you need is a jar of water or kerosene > to give you protons, and a coil around the jar to kick the protons > and then listen to them sing. > I have also been told that these instruments do not work in a > laboratory, as the AC magnetic field > drives them crazy. > I am thinking of lock in amplifiers and phase locked loops. > Also toroidal coil or paired coils. > Can anyone in this group point me to an easy to construct and > fiercely accurate design to build? Check out Joe Geller's work ( http://www.gellerlabs.com/index.html ) and also Jim Koehler's ( http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=mag&file=/info/ko ehler/index.dat&zoom ). The May 2007 issue of Circuit Cellar had a shorter article by Jim. -- john, KE5FX
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brent evers
Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:02 PM

I've used and repaired EG&G proton maggies in the past.  I can't
remember a lot from them other than that, as you indicated there
wasn't a lot to them.

I think its best to figure out what you need, because putting a proton
maggie in a box may be physically problematic.  If you really think
that's the way to go, you might want to pick up this Geometrics/EG&G
unit on ebay:

ebay item #380328909088

Frankly, I've seen people use a cheap TCM2 magnetic compass fairly
successfully as a magnetometer, but they were mapping cables, etc.

Also, a google of "eg&g magnetometer pdf" will pull up a few documents
that may be of use.

Brent

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:36 PM, John Miles jmiles@pop.net wrote:

Hi,
I am boxing up my LPRO rubidium source in a steel box. The device is
to be thermostated
by controlling a small fan outside the box to keep the LPRO at about
40*C.
Although the unit is in a mumetal box I assume there may be some
penetration of earths magnetic field.
The steel box should help that.
To test this I want to build a very stable magnetometer. Now I know
that all you need is a jar of water or kerosene
to give you protons, and a coil around the jar to kick the protons
and then listen to them sing.
I have also been told that these instruments do not work in a
laboratory, as the AC magnetic field
drives them crazy.
I am thinking of lock in amplifiers and phase locked loops.
Also toroidal coil or paired coils.
Can anyone in this group point me to an easy to construct and
fiercely accurate design to build?

Check out Joe Geller's work ( http://www.gellerlabs.com/index.html ) and
also Jim Koehler's (
http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=mag&file=/info/ko
ehler/index.dat&zoom ).  The May 2007 issue of Circuit Cellar had a shorter
article by Jim.

-- john, KE5FX


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I've used and repaired EG&G proton maggies in the past. I can't remember a lot from them other than that, as you indicated there wasn't a lot to them. I think its best to figure out what you need, because putting a proton maggie in a box may be physically problematic. If you really think that's the way to go, you might want to pick up this Geometrics/EG&G unit on ebay: ebay item #380328909088 Frankly, I've seen people use a cheap TCM2 magnetic compass fairly successfully as a magnetometer, but they were mapping cables, etc. Also, a google of "eg&g magnetometer pdf" will pull up a few documents that may be of use. Brent On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:36 PM, John Miles <jmiles@pop.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am boxing up my LPRO rubidium source in a steel box. The device is >> to be thermostated >> by controlling a small fan outside the box to keep the LPRO at about >> 40*C. >> Although the unit is in a mumetal box I assume there may be some >> penetration of earths magnetic field. >> The steel box should help that. >> To test this I want to build a very stable magnetometer. Now I know >> that all you need is a jar of water or kerosene >> to give you protons, and a coil around the jar to kick the protons >> and then listen to them sing. >> I have also been told that these instruments do not work in a >> laboratory, as the AC magnetic field >> drives them crazy. >> I am thinking of lock in amplifiers and phase locked loops. >> Also toroidal coil or paired coils. >> Can anyone in this group point me to an easy to construct and >> fiercely accurate design to build? > > Check out Joe Geller's work ( http://www.gellerlabs.com/index.html ) and > also Jim Koehler's ( > http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=mag&file=/info/ko > ehler/index.dat&zoom ).  The May 2007 issue of Circuit Cellar had a shorter > article by Jim. > > -- john, KE5FX > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >