Good! It frosts my sanctimonious a-- (oh no, I'm becoming a geezer!!) to have boaters (usually non-natives) complain about water quality and yet pump their raw feces overboard. I am in a marina of 200+ boats and I bet no more than 10 actually use the pumpout station. Not everybody has ElectroSans. And those that do only use the salt solution (we are in fresh/brackish water here) when bragging, not in actuality. No PFDs, proper flares, etc? Fine - that's your own deal and is a self-contained offense (passengers notwithstanding). But knowingly pumping poop overboard - that's just arrogant, self-centered, and lazy. Slap a fine, I say, and keep the records in a central database to radically increase fines to really punish multiple offenders. If more of us would behave, and ostracize those that will not, water quality would improve. We are actively using (floating in place or underway) the waterways every day - if we don't care - no one will! My rant du jour. Better now. Back to work. :-) In a message dated 10/30/2008 12:01:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com writes: The Volusia County Sheriffs were running potti-patrol just north of Daytona Beach yesterday, stopping all cruising boats going by and giving them the dye-in-the-head treatment. The officer was polite and proper, nothing to complain about at all. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211625659x1200715650/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=82&bcd=emailf ooter)

>From an article in the Miami Herald (17 Feb 2008): "Every day, six plants in Miami-Dade, Broward and south Palm Beach counties pump about 300 million gallons of sewage into the Atlantic Ocean. The brew is screened of its foulest components but remains nutrient-rich, not even clean enough to sprinkle on a lawn." Now will someone explain why boaters are being stopped and?checked to make sure?they have holding tanks ? What possible impact can one or ten or a hundred boaters have compared to 300 MILLION gallons per day ? I fully support using pumpout stations but this just makes no sense. Tim Behan 36 Monk

tbehan6468@aol.com writes: >Now will someone explain why boaters are being stopped and?checked to make >sure?they have holding tanks ? What possible impact can one or ten or a >hundred boaters have compared to 300 MILLION gallons per day ? The quick answer is that in many cases it's not the total environmental load that is a problem, it's the local concentration. Typically, municipal sewerage discharge lines are routed far out to sea, and located where currents will disperse the outflow. 3 million gallons a day sounds like a lot, but not when it's being diluted in the entire gulf stream. Boats, on the other hand, like to seek out protected harbours. I know it's hard to believe, but a few boats in a protected harbour really can cause a local pollution load greater then the massive city discharges. On the other hand, if you are in an area with strong tidal flows you are correct, boats will have little effect. By the way this is one of the reasons that most (all?) freshwater lakes are no-discharge zones. There are no currents to disperse the effluent. Scott Welch FirstClass Product Manager www.firstclass.com "Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out." - John Wooden

Excellent point! Its pretty simple, its a revenue generator for local police. > > >From an article in the Miami Herald (17 Feb 2008):> > "Every day, six plants in Miami-Dade, Broward and south Palm Beach counties pump about 300 million> gallons of sewage into the Atlantic Ocean. The brew is screened of its foulest components but remains> > nutrient-rich, not even clean enough to sprinkle on a lawn."> > _________________________________________________________________ Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns! 20EE04FBC541789!167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008

I quite agree. That said this summer cruise up coast in Canadian waters, we were the only boat we saw using the pumpouts (all of which worked and some of which were set up for a very wide range of connection types, and only one charged a fee (Chemainus). However, the usual enviro-sensitive no-dump locations were cleaner than I have ever seen them. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: <JHWardJr@aol.com> To: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: Re: T&T: potti-patrol > Good! It frosts my sanctimonious a-- (oh no, I'm becoming a geezer!!) to > have boaters (usually non-natives) complain about water quality and yet > pump > their raw feces overboard. I am in a marina of 200+ boats and I bet no > more > than 10 actually use the pumpout station. Not everybody has ElectroSans. > And > those that do only use the salt solution (we are in fresh/brackish water > here) when bragging, not in actuality. > > No PFDs, proper flares, etc? Fine - that's your own deal and is a > self-contained offense (passengers notwithstanding). But knowingly > pumping poop > overboard - that's just arrogant, self-centered, and lazy. Slap a fine, > I say, > and keep the records in a central database to radically increase fines to > really punish multiple offenders. > > If more of us would behave, and ostracize those that will not, water > quality > would improve. We are actively using (floating in place or underway) the > waterways every day - if we don't care - no one will! > > My rant du jour. Better now. Back to work. :-) > > > In a message dated 10/30/2008 12:01:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com writes: > > The Volusia County Sheriffs were running potti-patrol just north of > Daytona > Beach yesterday, stopping all cruising boats going by and giving them the > dye-in-the-head treatment. The officer was polite and proper, nothing to > complain about at all. > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211625659x1200715650/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=82&bcd=emailf > ooter) > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change > email address, etc) go to: > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/trawlers-and-trawlering > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited. 9:20 PM