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Robert,
I don't own a Krogen 42 - I own a Krogen Manatee. But I did stay at a Holiday
Inn once...and my wife and I just helped some Krogen friends deliver their
KK42 from Port St. Joe to Clearwater last week. We have long admired the KK42
and have a number of friends who own them. Several friends have completed the
Loop and several have cruised the Caribbean all the way to Venezuela. Many of
our friends are full-timers aboard their KK42's, traveling thousands of miles
on the ICW to Florida or the Bahamas every fall and back again in the spring.
On balance, I think the KK42 is a versatile and exceptional boat. Good
tankage, a very liveable interior and a seakindly hull form. Being a
round-chine boat they tend to roll, but with a good motion. Some people
complain that a KK42 will roll the peanut butter off your sandwich, but
fitting the boat with stabalizers (or buying one that already has them) will
help in that department. And some folks think that the rolling is a nice,
easy motion. They all face the same cast iron fuel tank issues that most
boats of that vintage face, although I know of at least one with fiberglass
tanks. Many have been refitted with new tanks, generally aluminum.
We like our Manatee better in several regards. Our galley is bigger, our
"back porch" is bigger, our saloon is bigger and our fly bridge is bigger.
But we don't have a pilothouse with access from inside the boat and we don't
have a guest stateroom, both of which are important to my wife. The KK42 is
defiinately on our short list if and when we move up.
Krogen Cruisers is a very active group and I don't think that there is a
problem that hasn't been discovered, repaired and thoroughly discussed by the
group. The group is open to all and wanna-be's are definetely welcome. You
can join online and once you are aboard, you can get all the past issues of
the newsletter which will lend quite a bit of insight into the inner workings
of the KK42. If you are seriously interested in a Krogen, I'd recommend that
you join up today and strt reading the unvarnished truth. That's what we did
before we bought Morning Star...in fact, that's how we found her - in a small
classified ad in the back of the newsletter. Log on to their website at\nd
check it out.
http://krogencruisers.net/dolphin/
Regards,
Randy Pickelmann
MTOA #3694
MORNING STAR
www.morningstar.talkspot.com
lying at Clearwater, FL
Does anyone know approx how much it costs to put stabilizers on a KK42, or
similar boat ?
I read in the Defever cruiser's listserv that its about $50k for a Defever
44. Then there is yearly maint. costs of the stabilizers, according to
those owners.
Just curious to see if there is much difference for a KK42.
R.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Pickelmann" rwp_48@yahoo.com
To: great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Cc: relder@whoi.edu
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:45 AM
Subject: GL: krogen 42
Robert,
I don't own a Krogen 42 - I own a Krogen Manatee. But I did stay at a
Holiday
Inn once...and my wife and I just helped some Krogen friends deliver their
KK42 from Port St. Joe to Clearwater last week. We have long admired the
KK42
and have a number of friends who own them. Several friends have completed
the
Loop and several have cruised the Caribbean all the way to Venezuela.
Many of
our friends are full-timers aboard their KK42's, traveling thousands of
miles
on the ICW to Florida or the Bahamas every fall and back again in the
spring.
On balance, I think the KK42 is a versatile and exceptional boat. Good
tankage, a very liveable interior and a seakindly hull form. Being a
round-chine boat they tend to roll, but with a good motion. Some people
complain that a KK42 will roll the peanut butter off your sandwich, but
fitting the boat with stabalizers (or buying one that already has them)
will
help in that department. And some folks think that the rolling is a nice,
easy motion. They all face the same cast iron fuel tank issues that most
boats of that vintage face, although I know of at least one with
fiberglass
tanks. Many have been refitted with new tanks, generally aluminum.
Regards,
Randy Pickelmann
MTOA #3694
MORNING STAR
www.morningstar.talkspot.com
lying at Clearwater, FL
Ralph:
Contact Craig Calkins at Stabilized Marine in Ft. Lauderdale at
954-797-7330. Website: www.stabilizedmarine.com.
Stabilized Marine puts more stabilizers on boats than anybody, I
believe. They are super folks. When I asked your question back in
'07 regarding a DeFever 44, Craig indicated about $33-35K would do it
if no machinery had to be moved in the engine room. Ask him about
the routine maintenance also. They do that, too.
At 09:59 AM 1/23/2010, Ralph Yost wrote:
Does anyone know approx how much it costs to put stabilizers on a
KK42, or similar boat ?
I read in the Defever cruiser's listserv that its about $50k for a
Defever 44. Then there is yearly maint. costs of the stabilizers,
according to those owners.
Just curious to see if there is much difference for a KK42.
R.
You might consider towed paravanes, no through hulls, no underwater fins to
dammge. (See artical about KK that sheared off a stabalizer fin and sank on a
reef). Have some roll dampening effect while at anchor. Much less expensive.
Jon.
From: Bill Donovan
trailersource@mindspring.com
To: great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Sat,
January 23, 2010 8:42:08 AM
Subject: Re: GL: krogen 42
Ralph:
Contact Craig
Calkins at Stabilized Marine in Ft. Lauderdale at 954-797-7330. Website:
www.stabilizedmarine.com.
Stabilized Marine puts more stabilizers on boats
than anybody, I believe. They are super folks. When I asked your question
back in '07 regarding a DeFever 44, Craig indicated about $33-35K would do it
if no machinery had to be moved in the engine room. Ask him about the routine
maintenance also. They do that, too.
At 09:59 AM 1/23/2010, Ralph Yost
wrote:
Does anyone know approx how much it costs to put stabilizers on a
KK42, or similar boat ?
I read in the Defever cruiser's listserv that its
about $50k for a Defever 44. Then there is yearly maint. costs of the
stabilizers, according to those owners.
Just curious to see if there is much
difference for a KK42.
R.
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Bill and List,
Before making substantial modifications to any boat's hull, I would
recommend discussing the perceived problem with the boat
manufacturer. In 2008 we chartered a 35 ft CT Cruiser on the North
Channel of Lake Huron out of Gore Bay for two weeks. The owner of
the boat tried to correct its "rockin and a rollin" while at anchor
by lengthening the depth of its keel, he then added stabilizers on
both sides of the hull, then he added extra fresh water capacity to
lower the displacement, then he added extra black water holding tank
capacity to lower the displacement -- all to improve stability.
Unfortunately he did not add any size to the boat's rudder to
compensate for all his earlier modifications. The net effect was
that when the boat went down into a wave troff the boat tended to
broach to one side or the other (flip a coin - not predictable). The
boat could also not be backed into a slip easily despite the bow
thruster. This boat lmost cured me of ever owning a Trawler!!!
The bottom line -- don't make modifications without first consulting
a qualified marine engineer!
John
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