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Damiano Boppart

Mon, Mar 18, 2019 11:50 AM

Hi,

I would very much like to discuss at the upcoming Thunderbird Status
Meeting [1] on Tue, March 19th:

Thunderbird's goals in regard to email privacy/encryption
The relationship between Thunderbird and the pEp project

Based on the number of emails from last week, I think it would help if
all people who have strong opinions about this (council/future
council/neither) to discuss this in a video call.

I hope I'm not too forward adding this to the list of talking points for
the meeting.

Yours,

Damiano

[1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings

Hi, I would very much like to discuss at the upcoming Thunderbird Status Meeting [1] on Tue, March 19th: 1) Thunderbird's goals in regard to email privacy/encryption 2) The relationship between Thunderbird and the pEp project Based on the number of emails from last week, I think it would help if all people who have strong opinions about this (council/future council/neither) to discuss this in a video call. I hope I'm not too forward adding this to the list of talking points for the meeting. Yours, Damiano [1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings

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Magnus Melin

Mon, Mar 18, 2019 7:56 PM

We do have a Question Time section.

Regarding #2, we're still awaiting the availability of PEP for
Thunderbird, per the status since 3 years back:
https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2016-February/004471.html

-Magnus

On 18-03-2019 13:50, Damiano Boppart wrote:

Hi,

I would very much like to discuss at the upcoming Thunderbird Status
Meeting [1] on Tue, March 19th:

Thunderbird's goals in regard to email privacy/encryption
The relationship between Thunderbird and the pEp project

Based on the number of emails from last week, I think it would help if
all people who have strong opinions about this (council/future
council/neither) to discuss this in a video call.

I hope I'm not too forward adding this to the list of talking points for
the meeting.

Yours,

Damiano

[1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings

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We do have a Question Time section. Regarding #2, we're still awaiting the availability of PEP for Thunderbird, per the status since 3 years back: https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2016-February/004471.html -Magnus On 18-03-2019 13:50, Damiano Boppart wrote: > Hi, > > I would very much like to discuss at the upcoming Thunderbird Status > Meeting [1] on Tue, March 19th: > > 1) Thunderbird's goals in regard to email privacy/encryption > 2) The relationship between Thunderbird and the pEp project > > Based on the number of emails from last week, I think it would help if > all people who have strong opinions about this (council/future > council/neither) to discuss this in a video call. > > I hope I'm not too forward adding this to the list of talking points for > the meeting. > > Yours, > > Damiano > > [1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings > > > _______________________________________________ > Maildev mailing list > Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net > http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net

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Damiano Boppart

Tue, Mar 19, 2019 3:35 PM

On 18.03.19 20:56, Magnus Melin wrote:

Regarding #2, we're still awaiting the availability of PEP for
Thunderbird, per the status since 3 years back:
https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2016-February/004471.html

I'm quite sure I am missing your point.

The email you link lists 3 things:

A new Thunderbird Council has been chosen
A fiscal home for Thunderbird has been chosen
An alpha version of a PEP/Enigmail addon is available

has happened multiple times since that email was written
it's Mozilla
The Enigmail addon running in pEp mode out of the box has been
available for quite some time now.

Could you please elaborate on what you mean?

Yours,

Damiano

On 18.03.19 20:56, Magnus Melin wrote: > Regarding #2, we're still awaiting the availability of PEP for > Thunderbird, per the status since 3 years back: > https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2016-February/004471.html I'm quite sure I am missing your point. The email you link lists 3 things: > 1) A new Thunderbird Council has been chosen > 2) A fiscal home for Thunderbird has been chosen > 3) An alpha version of a PEP/Enigmail addon is available 1) has happened multiple times since that email was written 2) it's Mozilla 3) The Enigmail addon running in pEp mode out of the box has been available for quite some time now. Could you please elaborate on what you mean? Yours, Damiano

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Magnus Melin

Wed, Mar 20, 2019 7:36 AM

On 19-03-2019 17:35, Damiano Boppart wrote:

The Enigmail addon running in pEp mode out of the box has been
available for quite some time now.

Could you please elaborate on what you mean?

Yes - we've been told by Volker (of pEp) that this is not the pEp
implementation that we should be evaluating.

Expanding this a bit further: what we'd like to see is codewise what
would it all look like, how would it all come together. There's a lot
more to shipping a feature than just having code that could, under
certain circumstances, be made to work: the actual integration part can
often be quite a significant part of the work. Simply bundling Enigmail
as such is not really an option.

-Magnus

On 19-03-2019 17:35, Damiano Boppart wrote: > 3) The Enigmail addon running in pEp mode out of the box has been > available for quite some time now. > > Could you please elaborate on what you mean? Yes - we've been told by Volker (of pEp) that this is not the pEp implementation that we should be evaluating. Expanding this a bit further: what we'd like to see is codewise what would it all look like, how would it all come together. There's a lot more to shipping a feature than just having code that could, under certain circumstances, be made to work: the actual integration part can often be quite a significant part of the work. Simply bundling Enigmail as such is not really an option. -Magnus

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Damiano Boppart

Wed, Mar 20, 2019 4:01 PM

On 20.03.19 08:36, Magnus Melin wrote:

Yes - we've been told by Volker (of pEp) that this is not the pEp
implementation that we should be evaluating.

Expanding this a bit further: what we'd like to see is codewise what
would it all look like, how would it all come together. There's a lot
more to shipping a feature than just having code that could, under
certain circumstances, be made to work: the actual integration part can
often be quite a significant part of the work. Simply bundling Enigmail
as such is not really an option.

Thank you for clarifying.

Yours,

Damiano

On 20.03.19 08:36, Magnus Melin wrote: > Yes - we've been told by Volker (of pEp) that this is not the pEp > implementation that we should be evaluating. > > Expanding this a bit further: what we'd like to see is codewise what > would it all look like, how would it all come together. There's a lot > more to shipping a feature than just having code that could, under > certain circumstances, be made to work: the actual integration part can > often be quite a significant part of the work. Simply bundling Enigmail > as such is not really an option. Thank you for clarifying. Yours, Damiano

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Discussing email privacy and pEp at the Status Meeting on the 19th