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add-ons in thunderbird 59 - not compatible by default

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Tanstaafl
Fri, Apr 6, 2018 7:00 PM

On Fri Apr 06 2018 14:35:16 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Magnus
Melin mkmelin+mozilla@iki.fi wrote:

If the user knows the add-ons are ok, he can always set the
extensions.strictCompatibility pref to false, and things would work like
before. To the extent the add-on is not broken. No need to change the
install.rdf

But that is a global change (cold cause breakage if other Addons are
really not compatible). Changing the RDF only affects that one Addon.

On Fri Apr 06 2018 14:35:16 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Magnus Melin <mkmelin+mozilla@iki.fi> wrote: > If the user knows the add-ons are ok, he can always set the > extensions.strictCompatibility pref to false, and things would work like > before. To the extent the add-on is not broken. No need to change the > install.rdf But that is a global change (cold cause breakage if other Addons are really not compatible). Changing the RDF only affects that one Addon.
PK
Philipp Kewisch
Sat, Apr 7, 2018 5:53 AM

Also, it is something power users can do, but others may have difficulties with.

Philipp

On 6. Apr 2018, at 9:00 PM, Tanstaafl tanstaafl@libertytrek.org wrote:

On Fri Apr 06 2018 14:35:16 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Magnus
Melin mkmelin+mozilla@iki.fi wrote:

If the user knows the add-ons are ok, he can always set the
extensions.strictCompatibility pref to false, and things would work like
before. To the extent the add-on is not broken. No need to change the
install.rdf

But that is a global change (cold cause breakage if other Addons are
really not compatible). Changing the RDF only affects that one Addon.


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Also, it is something power users can do, but others may have difficulties with. Philipp > On 6. Apr 2018, at 9:00 PM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org> wrote: > > On Fri Apr 06 2018 14:35:16 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Magnus > Melin <mkmelin+mozilla@iki.fi> wrote: >> If the user knows the add-ons are ok, he can always set the >> extensions.strictCompatibility pref to false, and things would work like >> before. To the extent the add-on is not broken. No need to change the >> install.rdf > > But that is a global change (cold cause breakage if other Addons are > really not compatible). Changing the RDF only affects that one Addon. > > _______________________________________________ > Maildev mailing list > Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net > http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net
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Patrick Brunschwig
Sun, Apr 8, 2018 9:00 AM

It looks like the change was also applied to dictionaries (which I
thought were not affected). Was this intended?

-Patrick

On 03.04.18 21:45, Magnus Melin wrote:

Going to do it in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1451097

 -Magnus

On 07-12-2017 11:02, Magnus Melin wrote:

Traditionally add-ons have been set to be compatible by default, i.e.
not needed an action from the add-on author to continue to function
when Thunderbird does a major version update. Many times the add-ons
haven't really worked and caused strange bug reports. For Thunderbird
59 it doesn't make sense to keep the compatible by default scheme. If
the add-on hasn't been updated, it very likely will cause problems -
and that's not in anybody's best interest.

So let's change the scheme to not-compatible by default. Comments?

 -Magnus

It looks like the change was also applied to dictionaries (which I thought were not affected). Was this intended? -Patrick On 03.04.18 21:45, Magnus Melin wrote: > Going to do it in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1451097 > >  -Magnus > > On 07-12-2017 11:02, Magnus Melin wrote: >> Traditionally add-ons have been set to be compatible by default, i.e. >> not needed an action from the add-on author to continue to function >> when Thunderbird does a major version update. Many times the add-ons >> haven't really worked and caused strange bug reports. For Thunderbird >> 59 it doesn't make sense to keep the compatible by default scheme. If >> the add-on hasn't been updated, it very likely will cause problems - >> and that's not in anybody's best interest. >> >> So let's change the scheme to not-compatible by default. Comments? >> >>  -Magnus
MM
Magnus Melin
Sun, Apr 8, 2018 7:21 PM

No, dictionaries should be fine, at least in general.

 -Magnus

On 08-04-2018 12:00, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:

It looks like the change was also applied to dictionaries (which I
thought were not affected). Was this intended?

-Patrick

On 03.04.18 21:45, Magnus Melin wrote:

Going to do it in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1451097

 -Magnus

On 07-12-2017 11:02, Magnus Melin wrote:

Traditionally add-ons have been set to be compatible by default, i.e.
not needed an action from the add-on author to continue to function
when Thunderbird does a major version update. Many times the add-ons
haven't really worked and caused strange bug reports. For Thunderbird
59 it doesn't make sense to keep the compatible by default scheme. If
the add-on hasn't been updated, it very likely will cause problems -
and that's not in anybody's best interest.

So let's change the scheme to not-compatible by default. Comments?

 -Magnus

No, dictionaries should be fine, at least in general.  -Magnus On 08-04-2018 12:00, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: > It looks like the change was also applied to dictionaries (which I > thought were not affected). Was this intended? > > -Patrick > > > On 03.04.18 21:45, Magnus Melin wrote: >> Going to do it in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1451097 >> >>  -Magnus >> >> On 07-12-2017 11:02, Magnus Melin wrote: >>> Traditionally add-ons have been set to be compatible by default, i.e. >>> not needed an action from the add-on author to continue to function >>> when Thunderbird does a major version update. Many times the add-ons >>> haven't really worked and caused strange bug reports. For Thunderbird >>> 59 it doesn't make sense to keep the compatible by default scheme. If >>> the add-on hasn't been updated, it very likely will cause problems - >>> and that's not in anybody's best interest. >>> >>> So let's change the scheme to not-compatible by default. Comments? >>> >>>  -Magnus > > _______________________________________________ > Maildev mailing list > Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net > http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net
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Wayne Mery
Tue, Apr 24, 2018 3:36 PM

What do you mean by "in general"?

https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/dictionaries-will-break-if-60-0-ships-soon/
suggests there may still be a problem. (Though details in the initial
posting are lacking)

On 4/8/2018 3:21 PM, Magnus Melin wrote:

No, dictionaries should be fine, at least in general.

 -Magnus

On 08-04-2018 12:00, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:

It looks like the change was also applied to dictionaries (which I
thought were not affected). Was this intended?

-Patrick

On 03.04.18 21:45, Magnus Melin wrote:

Going to do it in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1451097

  -Magnus

On 07-12-2017 11:02, Magnus Melin wrote:

Traditionally add-ons have been set to be compatible by default, i.e.
not needed an action from the add-on author to continue to function
when Thunderbird does a major version update. Many times the add-ons
haven't really worked and caused strange bug reports. For Thunderbird
59 it doesn't make sense to keep the compatible by default scheme. If
the add-on hasn't been updated, it very likely will cause problems -
and that's not in anybody's best interest.

So let's change the scheme to not-compatible by default. Comments?

  -Magnus

What do you mean by "in general"? https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/dictionaries-will-break-if-60-0-ships-soon/ suggests there may still be a problem. (Though details in the initial posting are lacking) On 4/8/2018 3:21 PM, Magnus Melin wrote: > No, dictionaries should be fine, at least in general. > >  -Magnus > > On 08-04-2018 12:00, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: >> It looks like the change was also applied to dictionaries (which I >> thought were not affected). Was this intended? >> >> -Patrick >> >> >> On 03.04.18 21:45, Magnus Melin wrote: >>> Going to do it in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1451097 >>> >>>   -Magnus >>> >>> On 07-12-2017 11:02, Magnus Melin wrote: >>>> Traditionally add-ons have been set to be compatible by default, i.e. >>>> not needed an action from the add-on author to continue to function >>>> when Thunderbird does a major version update. Many times the add-ons >>>> haven't really worked and caused strange bug reports. For Thunderbird >>>> 59 it doesn't make sense to keep the compatible by default scheme. If >>>> the add-on hasn't been updated, it very likely will cause problems - >>>> and that's not in anybody's best interest. >>>> >>>> So let's change the scheme to not-compatible by default. Comments? >>>> >>>>   -Magnus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maildev mailing list >> Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net >> http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > Maildev mailing list > Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net > http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net >
PB
Patrick Brunschwig
Tue, Apr 24, 2018 4:22 PM

As I wrote, most dictionaries cannot be installed. The error message is
always:

"Dictionary X cannot be installed because it is not compatible with
Thunderbird 60.0."

I tried many dictionaries and I got that message for most of them.

-Patrick

On 24.04.18 17:36, Wayne Mery wrote:

What do you mean by "in general"?

https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/dictionaries-will-break-if-60-0-ships-soon/
suggests there may still be a problem. (Though details in the initial
posting are lacking)

On 4/8/2018 3:21 PM, Magnus Melin wrote:

No, dictionaries should be fine, at least in general.

 -Magnus

On 08-04-2018 12:00, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:

It looks like the change was also applied to dictionaries (which I
thought were not affected). Was this intended?

-Patrick

On 03.04.18 21:45, Magnus Melin wrote:

Going to do it in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1451097

  -Magnus

On 07-12-2017 11:02, Magnus Melin wrote:

Traditionally add-ons have been set to be compatible by default, i.e.
not needed an action from the add-on author to continue to function
when Thunderbird does a major version update. Many times the add-ons
haven't really worked and caused strange bug reports. For Thunderbird
59 it doesn't make sense to keep the compatible by default scheme. If
the add-on hasn't been updated, it very likely will cause problems -
and that's not in anybody's best interest.

So let's change the scheme to not-compatible by default. Comments?

  -Magnus

As I wrote, most dictionaries cannot be installed. The error message is always: "Dictionary X cannot be installed because it is not compatible with Thunderbird 60.0." I tried many dictionaries and I got that message for most of them. -Patrick On 24.04.18 17:36, Wayne Mery wrote: > What do you mean by "in general"? > > https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/dictionaries-will-break-if-60-0-ships-soon/ > suggests there may still be a problem. (Though details in the initial > posting are lacking) > > > On 4/8/2018 3:21 PM, Magnus Melin wrote: >> No, dictionaries should be fine, at least in general. >> >>  -Magnus >> >> On 08-04-2018 12:00, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: >>> It looks like the change was also applied to dictionaries (which I >>> thought were not affected). Was this intended? >>> >>> -Patrick >>> >>> >>> On 03.04.18 21:45, Magnus Melin wrote: >>>> Going to do it in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1451097 >>>> >>>>   -Magnus >>>> >>>> On 07-12-2017 11:02, Magnus Melin wrote: >>>>> Traditionally add-ons have been set to be compatible by default, i.e. >>>>> not needed an action from the add-on author to continue to function >>>>> when Thunderbird does a major version update. Many times the add-ons >>>>> haven't really worked and caused strange bug reports. For Thunderbird >>>>> 59 it doesn't make sense to keep the compatible by default scheme. If >>>>> the add-on hasn't been updated, it very likely will cause problems - >>>>> and that's not in anybody's best interest. >>>>> >>>>> So let's change the scheme to not-compatible by default. Comments? >>>>> >>>>>   -Magnus
MM
Magnus Melin
Tue, Apr 24, 2018 7:17 PM

I'm not familiar with the internals of the dictionaries. The specify the
min/max versions, but was there ever any breaking changes?

 -Magnus

On 24-04-2018 18:36, Wayne Mery wrote:

What do you mean by "in general"?

https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/dictionaries-will-break-if-60-0-ships-soon/
suggests there may still be a problem. (Though details in the initial
posting are lacking)

On 4/8/2018 3:21 PM, Magnus Melin wrote:

No, dictionaries should be fine, at least in general.

 -Magnus

On 08-04-2018 12:00, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:

It looks like the change was also applied to dictionaries (which I
thought were not affected). Was this intended?

-Patrick

On 03.04.18 21:45, Magnus Melin wrote:

Going to do it in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1451097

  -Magnus

On 07-12-2017 11:02, Magnus Melin wrote:

Traditionally add-ons have been set to be compatible by default, i.e.
not needed an action from the add-on author to continue to function
when Thunderbird does a major version update. Many times the add-ons
haven't really worked and caused strange bug reports. For Thunderbird
59 it doesn't make sense to keep the compatible by default scheme. If
the add-on hasn't been updated, it very likely will cause problems -
and that's not in anybody's best interest.

So let's change the scheme to not-compatible by default. Comments?

  -Magnus

I'm not familiar with the internals of the dictionaries. The specify the min/max versions, but was there ever any breaking changes?  -Magnus On 24-04-2018 18:36, Wayne Mery wrote: > What do you mean by "in general"? > > https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/dictionaries-will-break-if-60-0-ships-soon/ > suggests there may still be a problem. (Though details in the initial > posting are lacking) > > > On 4/8/2018 3:21 PM, Magnus Melin wrote: >> No, dictionaries should be fine, at least in general. >> >>  -Magnus >> >> On 08-04-2018 12:00, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: >>> It looks like the change was also applied to dictionaries (which I >>> thought were not affected). Was this intended? >>> >>> -Patrick >>> >>> >>> On 03.04.18 21:45, Magnus Melin wrote: >>>> Going to do it in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1451097 >>>> >>>>   -Magnus >>>> >>>> On 07-12-2017 11:02, Magnus Melin wrote: >>>>> Traditionally add-ons have been set to be compatible by default, i.e. >>>>> not needed an action from the add-on author to continue to function >>>>> when Thunderbird does a major version update. Many times the add-ons >>>>> haven't really worked and caused strange bug reports. For Thunderbird >>>>> 59 it doesn't make sense to keep the compatible by default scheme. If >>>>> the add-on hasn't been updated, it very likely will cause problems - >>>>> and that's not in anybody's best interest. >>>>> >>>>> So let's change the scheme to not-compatible by default. Comments? >>>>> >>>>>   -Magnus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Maildev mailing list >>> Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net >>> http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maildev mailing list >> Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net >> http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maildev mailing list > Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net > http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net