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Georgs, Thanks for pointing out the costs involved that you need donations for. Funny isn't it that put up or shut up, or as we know it down under as - constructive criticism, is so frightening to certain yanks, but explains why possibly a bit more carping against the US central bankers may have avoided your great country from near ruin recently. To amplify constructive criticism (or carping according to Georgs). 1. The site not working, and it should, but if it doesn't it has clearly lost its relevance. 2. There is no reason whatsoever to have to pay for a site like this. Go to Google groups and easily create a FREE blog/website. 3. Passagemaking under Power was the title of Robert Beebes great book. What I read here has nothing to do with what this pioneer wrote about. As I prefer to put up instead of shutting up as you may have noticed, I will tell about my early plans to cross the Pacific next March. First thing I did was to elicit interest in finding some convoy travelling mates in power boats. I have had some discussions with a medical physician with a Nordhavn 40 who has expressed interest in the crossing. Mechanical issues is something I would hope to deal with, but a serious health problem I couldn't, so a medico two miles off the starboard quarter would give some comfort for the 16 day leg to the Marquesas. My boat has lots of redundancy in vital components but I will have to have to add more before I leave. I have just bought a spare Maxwell 4000 windlass motor, and I need to put on board a spare starter motor and alternator for the main. Also I should have spare hoses for everything on the main, and for the hydraulics. A back up of an extra house water pump and fuel transfer pump will also be added. I have a copy of the Nordhavn Atlantic Crossing spares and checking list, as well as what's provided from Seakits in their Offshore kit, on top of my existing Coastal kit which is very extensive. I communicate often with a friend who has crossed the Pacific twice in his two Nordhavn's, and he assures me that spares are easily obtainable anywhere an aeroplane can land, which is most of the Pacific to Australia, so the critical leg is the 2,750 nm from Mexico to the Marquesas. The other legs will be of about 4 day's duration and less critical. Fuel burn management will be critical of course, but we will have enough in my four tanks to get me to Papette with 20% in reserve if I cruise around 7.5 kts. The handy thing on a Nordhavn is the fuel reservoir tank which has calibrations to see real fuel burn instead of trusting analogue or digital gauges. Last year circumnavigating Australia I learned a lot about running for economy, and just slowed down and did a lot more fishing. The psychology of the trip is another issue that most people will relate to. Will the crew get on together? Will my wife have high anxiety levels off the boat due to the remoteness of the adventure? Etc, etc. This subject is a major topic all on its own for discussion. Now I have opened the batting about passagemaking under power, run up the flag to see if it is saluted, then make up my mind whether this site has any relevance for me, or I may just take a little time out and create a FREE Google site titled "Long distance cruising for motor yachts" or something like that. I would then ask my friend Phil Walshe to become a contributing member who has circled the world a dozen times on power boats, and is an expert navigator/captain on the Northwest Passage. Then of course there are other friends Heidi and Wolfgang Hass currently on their third power boat world circumnavigation that would also contribute I'd guess. Cheers! Peter -----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces+peter=petersheppard.com.au@lists.samurai.com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces+peter=petersheppard.com.au@lists.sa murai.com] On Behalf Of passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com Sent: Sunday, 5 September 2010 2:00 PM To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Subject: Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 70, Issue 4 Send Passagemaking-Under-Power mailing list submissions to passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com You can reach the person managing the list at passagemaking-under-power-owner@lists.samurai.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Passagemaking-Under-Power digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: Future of the site (Peter Sheppard) 2. Re: Fwd: Future of the site (Jim Ague) 3. Re: Support for PUP (Georgs Kolesnikovs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 14:56:40 +1000 From: Peter Sheppard <petershepp@gmail.com> To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Subject: [PUP] Fwd: Future of the site Message-ID: <AANLkTikGNAVeKtqCJzH1AkaPg8POD+D9Ceb2EUweo3g4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Sheppard <petershepp@gmail.com> Date: 4 September 2010 14:46 Subject: Re: Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 70, Issue 3 To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Georgs, Will wait still with bated breath for your reply regarding costs involved, and happy to help out if a good case is revealed. Passagemaking under power as a concept, should be kept on song. We should not be clouded by the 0700 to 1600 lake sailors up in the Inside passage, or the ICW guys, but should probably have them on board anyway as they may have a crack at passagemaking one day. Also there are some great resources out there not currently cruising these days, but have been there - done that. I want to know, say about fuel burns, and real experience about economies that can be engaged to do a serious passage. I also want to know about backups for water if the watermaker goes down. Should we have two watermakers for instance, and input from this site members I would value. As an economic rationalist, I can't see the remote possibility of this site having a big audience to speak of. To ask for financial support doesn't cut the mustard for me at this still uninformed juncture, not because so much the small audience, but great blogs are, as originally stated by me previously, are as free of costs as is the wind (well not directly if you see the Yahoo and Google crap advertising on our sites) Georgs please tell us what the score is. Your silence is deafening. Peter PS I know of about 30 *real* passagemakers under power. Pretty small audience, but expect there are a few dreamers in the wings, which offers some encouragement, possibly. -- Peter J Sheppard -- Peter J Sheppard ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 06:37:43 -0600 From: "Jim Ague" <ague@usa.net> To: "Peter Sheppard" <petershepp@gmail.com>, <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Subject: Re: [PUP] Fwd: Future of the site Message-ID: <2BC5D3B7CE964F14A88900F3E4B52F4C@AgueGatewayNB> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > Will wait still with bated breath for your reply regarding costs involved, > and happy to help out if a good case is revealed. Geesh!? Hang on to your ten bucks and save up for a 2nd watermaker while you run off to the zerocost blogs. PUP'll find its funding from others. -- Jim ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 09:31:25 -0400 From: Georgs Kolesnikovs <gxk@earthlink.net> To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Subject: Re: [PUP] Support for PUP Message-ID: <8EBD3F2F-9627-4479-8670-A497F52C241C@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks, Jim, for your public vote of support. The best way passagemakers like Peter Sheppard can support PUP is by periodically posting about the experiences and adventures they have while voyaging the world. As he seems to care about the future of PUP, when Peter jumps the Pacific next year, I'm sure he will keep us fully posted, about his preparations, the actual passage from the U.S. to Australia, and, afterward, the lessons learned. The cost of operating PUP as a mailing list is not huge as it's a relatively small list and I get a bulk rate for hosting it at the same service as Trawlers & Trawlering and other sister lists. Last year, the total cost was $1,732.50all which was covered by donations from subscribers. Happily, there are far more PUP subscribers who value and enjoy the list than those who carp about it. --Georgs Georgs Kolesnikovs Your host at Trawlers & Trawlering since 1997 http://www.trawlersandtrawlering.com Your host at TrawlerCrawler.net since 2009 http://www.trawlercrawler.net > Georgs: I'd help support PUP just so i can be near "real passagemakers". Jim > Hughes > > >> Georgs, >> Happy to help out, even though the site seems to have withered and died. The >> oncept is great for us few real passagemakers on a power boat. >> lease tell me what are the costs? >> run a website for a Nordhavn model with Google. It costs me nothing. I can >> o the admin faster than it takes me to clean my teeth before I go to bed. >> Peter Sheppard ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List End of Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 70, Issue 4 ********************************************************

Peter: Good luck with your Pacific voyage. I've been following Oso Blanco's blog (http://osoblanco64.blogspot.com/ - an N64 who made the run, earlier this year to the Marquesas. They appear to be having a terrific time. Have you been following Egret's blog? (a Nordhavn 46 that just departed Australia for Mauritius, a 3,250nm, 24 day passage, http://www.nordhavn.com/egret/captains_log_sept10.php ) Egret's blog entry for Sept 1st talks about fueling for the passage and shows the fuel bladders they loaded onto the boat: http://www.nordhavn.com/egret/images/91_1.jpg http://www.nordhavn.com/egret/images/91_2.jpg Like you, when Roberta and I contemplated crossing the Pacific, we started by trying to assemble a convoy. I worked for a year and even had 17 boats signed up at one point, only to have all of them bail out, including my own boat. It's tough to get a group together for a major passage, but is the only way I would ever cross an ocean. I can't imagine being Egret, on a 24 day passage, alone. As to this board... The success of a message board really hinges on having a good moderator, a reasonably sized group, and a hand full of opinionated participants who willing to kick in a topic whenever the message flow starts sagging. Georgs hasn't really done much to stimulate conversation, and although there are some fairly talkative, seasoned passagemakers, on this list, there are some alternate groups, which are much more active, that tend to grab our attention (I'm thinking of your own N55 group, and the NordhavnDreamers group). Perhaps Georgs needs to do something to bring some additional people into the group. It feels like membership has declined as some of the more active participants have sold their boats and gone back to civilian life. Or, perhaps there just aren't enough of us, who really go long distances on our boats, to hit critical mass as a group. And perhaps, ultimately, it's a flawed model, because those who it would be most interesting to have participate, tend to have the poorest internet. Ken Williams Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci www.kensblog.com Currently in Hong Kong

Ken etal, Some of us are planners too and look for every bit of information possible to help us in our own quest. From reading in your own Great Siberian Sushi Run (GSSR) as you reached the halfway mark and wrote about a Diesel Duck (DavidEllis) going the other way solo to trying to find a Kadey Krogen (besides the Reve), that has made a long crossing without stopping. We silently seek out those who have done, doing or planning a long trek along with their preparations and thought processes.B Some blogs are more informative than others with more information on their preparations and passages than on what they eat and see at each foreign country they visit (although helpful). B A place to ask questions without intimidation of the experienced or persnickety retorts arguing about donations are best, but it is like religion and many know they are right about that wing engine over get home sails, I like the sails myself, and thanks again for your Diesel Duck introduction via your GSSR blog. But its information we seek, all of it. B While no experience as a writer, just a consumer, I look for everything and Georgs site is one of many including Egret, the numerous Diesel Duck ownerbs sites or even manufactures like Nordhavn or designers like Buehler. Although sites that separate owners from those like myself who are about-to-bes are not helpful to me and I perceive a bit snobbish. Although I doubt the owners would agree with me when I am asking questions about that folding prop when they have a particular issue that needs immediate attention. I look for quantity and then sort out the quality as I learn who is non-biased and presents a good argument without personal one-upmanship. Some, like yourself, bring a skill to writing and while I have to filter out what I perceived (perhaps incorrectly), as you having unlimited resources, I still have read every boat related thing you wrote that I can find. Please keep writing and for sites like yours and Georgs, I along with some other silent planners will keep reading and donating. B John D --- On Mon, 9/6/10, Ken Williams <ken@kensblog.com> wrote: From: Ken Williams <ken@kensblog.com> Subject: Re: [PUP] Future of PUP To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 11:12 AM Peter: Good luck with your Pacific voyage. I've been following Oso Blanco's blog (http://osoblanco64.blogspot.com/ - an N64 who made the run, earlier this year to the Marquesas. They appear to be having a terrific time. Have you been following Egret's blog? (a Nordhavn 46 that just departed Australia for Mauritius, a 3,250nm, 24 day passage, http://www.nordhavn.com/egret/captains_log_sept10.php ) Egret's blog entry for Sept 1st talks about fueling for the passage and shows the fuel bladders they loaded onto the boat: http://www.nordhavn.com/egret/images/91_1.jpg http://www.nordhavn.com/egret/images/91_2.jpg Like you, when Roberta and I contemplated crossing the Pacific, we started by trying to assemble a convoy. I worked for a year and even had 17 boats signed up at one point, only to have all of them bail out, including my own boat. It's tough to get a group together for a major passage, but is the only way I would ever cross an ocean. I can't imagine being Egret, on a 24 day passage, alone. As to this board... The success of a message board really hinges on having a good moderator, a reasonably sized group, and a hand full of opinionated participants who willing to kick in a topic whenever the message flow starts sagging. Georgs hasn't really done much to stimulate conversation, and although there are some fairly talkative, seasoned passagemakers, on this list, there are some alternate groups, which are much more active, that tend to grab our attention (I'm thinking of your own N55 group, and the NordhavnDreamers group). Perhaps Georgs needs to do something to bring some additional people into the group. It feels like membership has declined as some of the more active participants have sold their boats and gone back to civilian life. Or, perhaps there just aren't enough of us, who really go long distances on our boats, to hit critical mass as a group. And perhaps, ultimately, it's a flawed model, because those who it would be most interesting to have participate, tend to have the poorest internet. Ken Williams Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci www.kensblog.com Currently in Hong Kong _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions.