I'd sell the tickets.

Doc

In a message dated 2/8/2009 3:40:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rzanussi@shaw.ca writes:

David,  and anyone else who plans on dumping their crap in the Canadian
waters of  Georgian Bay, Trent/Severn etc can remain in US or other national
waters. My  drinking water comes directly from
Georgian Bay and is clean enough to  drink. We plan on keeping it that way.

I am sure that a word to the  SAFE team (OPP water enforcement unit) will
ensure many more boats will be  boarded and inspected. Perhaps a word to Canada
Customs will also require an  inspection for holding tank facilities.

I am not trying to start a  flame war or pissing match here, but lets use our
heads for something other  than to grow hair. How would you like me to anchor
off your water intake and  crap directly into the water?

Rob Zanussi

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Plus, in the North Channel at least, all the marinas seem to have pump-
out facilities - so there is really no excuse, unless you think saving
a few bucks is worth trashing the water.

On Feb 8, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Ownyacht@aol.com wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bunnell" jbunnell@mac.com

REPLY
To all the uninformed  boaters from  the coastal  states.
Jim is absolutely correct and not only about  the North Channel.

The Great Lakes basin has been a zero discharge zone since  the early
seventies.
In most cases these waters  constitute the drinking water source for all
major cities and smaller towns.  Marinas are required by law to provide
functional pump out stations.

Perhaps its true in  some coastal  locations that the pump out station is
"out of order"  for the convenience of the marina owner; but it certainly
is not the case in  the Great Lakes.
Not having a functional and working  pump out would be bad for business
because boats needing a pump-out will go to the next marina  for a  pump
out; plus buy their fuel  etc. from them.  Although I come from Ontario on
the Canadian side of the border  I found the US regulations for border water
states to be as tough or tougher than Ontario.

Anyone  comtemplating a cruise in  the Great Lakes  without a holding tank
should give the head a shake and  then hang it in shame for even thinking
they can use our drinking water supply as  their toilet.

Arild

2elnav@netbistro.com writes:

One further note in this. When I was boating in Ontario, I found that in most
cases the pump-out was right beside the diesel pump, so you could fuel up and
pump out at the same time.

Scott Welch
Product Manager, Open Text Collaboration Solutions Group
www.firstclass.com

"Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn
out." - John Wooden

Arild -
Your righteous indignation is noted.  I, too, would never consider pumping
sewage into the Lakes from my boat.  We have plenty of access to pumpout
facilities here.  However, you should be aware that most every municipality
in the Great Lakes basin, with very few exceptions, dump untreated and
partially treated sewage in the Great Lakes with alarming regularity.  This
especially true after a heavy rain.  The reason for this as that our waste
sewers are connected to the same pipes as the rainwater and our waste
treatment plants cannot handle the load.  Estimates for separating the two
run into the billions.

So, don't poop where you eat/drink?  Too late.

Further, you would not believe the frequency with which the beaches on
Lake St. Clair are closed due to high levels of E. coli found in the water.
There does not appear to be any rhyme or reason for this since the highest
number of beach closings occurred during periods of extended drought.  The
largest contributing source of the contamination is the subject of much
debate but the likely cause is feces from waterfowl.

Don't get me started about the million-plus gallons of radioactive water
pumped into Lake Erie from a basement in the Fermi nuclear plant a few years
ago.

Sigh!  Will this winter ever end?!

keith

Arild wrote: