Hi,

I have a media handling record that I created that contains a file of type video/mp4.

Is there any way to view it with the CSpace interface? Or is it intended only to be stored, later to be downloaded and viewed elsewhere?

thanks,

Willi Wolf

Willi,

You can't view video via the CSpace UI, but if you click on the thumbnail most browsers will open a new tab and play the content for you - definitely works that way in Chrome and FF, but I haven't tried on Safari or Edge.

Hope this helps,
M

Megan Forbes
CollectionSpace Program Manager
megan.forbes@lyrasis.org
800.999.8558 x2917

From: ww@williwolf.net ww@williwolf.net
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:10 AM
To: talk@lists.collectionspace.org talk@lists.collectionspace.org
Subject: [Talk] Viewing a video media handling object

Hi,

I have a media handling record that I created that contains a file of type video/mp4.

Is there any way to view it with the CSpace interface? Or is it intended only to be stored, later to be downloaded and viewed elsewhere?

thanks,

Willi Wolf

Thanks Megan,

I realize now that I have some MP4 files that are probably too large. The modest size ones are playing as you describe.

I will dig into the server logs and see what's going on with the server resources, I'm currently running a small server in the cloud for CSpace that probably can't deal with large MP4 files streaming out.

Willi Wolf

From: Megan Forbes megan.forbes@lyrasis.org
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 8:48 AM
To: William Wolf ww@williwolf.net; talk@lists.collectionspace.org
Subject: Re: [Talk] Viewing a video media handling object

Willi,

You can't view video via the CSpace UI, but if you click on the thumbnail most browsers will open a new tab and play the content for you - definitely works that way in Chrome and FF, but I haven't tried on Safari or Edge.

Hope this helps,
M

Megan Forbes
CollectionSpace Program Manager
megan.forbes@lyrasis.orgmailto:megan.forbes@lyrasis.org
800.999.8558 x2917

From: ww@williwolf.netmailto:ww@williwolf.net <ww@williwolf.netmailto:ww@williwolf.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:10 AM
To: talk@lists.collectionspace.orgmailto:talk@lists.collectionspace.org <talk@lists.collectionspace.orgmailto:talk@lists.collectionspace.org>
Subject: [Talk] Viewing a video media handling object

Hi,

I have a media handling record that I created that contains a file of type video/mp4.

Is there any way to view it with the CSpace interface? Or is it intended only to be stored, later to be downloaded and viewed elsewhere?

thanks,

Willi Wolf

Hi,

Does CSpace have plans to address media files in both CSpace and the public browser?

Could embed URLs be used to lessen any infrastructure build-out?

Johanna

From: John Brandon Lowe MLIS PhD jblowe@berkeley.edu
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 12:35 PM
To: William Wolf ww@williwolf.net
Cc: talk@lists.collectionspace.org
Subject: [Talk] Re: Viewing a video media handling object

Willi,

CSpace does not support streaming media in general and relies (as Megan noted) on whatever support is built in to your browser.

In the case of playback of large video files, the user experience is unlikely to be adequate unless you have sufficient bandwidth (and as you note, your server is fast enouth) or you download the file to your local system and playback from there.

We have worked around this at UC Berkeley. Recall that last year I replied to a similar query from you... I paste it back in here for your reference.

Do please feel free to contact me for more details.

John

From: John Brandon Lowe MLIS PhD <jblowe@berkeley.edumailto:jblowe@berkeley.edu>
Date: Wed, May 19, 2021 at 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk] Re: media handling files: use and size
To: William Wolf <ww@williwolf.netmailto:ww@williwolf.net>
Cc: CollectionSpace Talk List <talk@lists.collectionspace.orgmailto:talk@lists.collectionspace.org>

Willi,

UC Berkeley (i.e. the Hearst Museum of Anthropology) also stores a limited set of other media formats, e.g. "video files".  CSpace does not make "derivatives" for non-image media -- instead the original media is stored and a placeholder for the media type is shown in the UI.  The Hearst currently stores audio files (both AIFF and MP3 files) and video files (as MP4).

In order to make "playable" versions of the streaming media, separate lower-quality versions of the media were made outside cspace and uploaded to CSpace separately alongside the high-res archival versions. A bit of an effort, to be sure!

These streaming files are rendered outside the regular CSpace frontend and backend via custom code. Here are a couple records from the Hearst Museum Blacklight Portal.

Video example (nb: no sound!):

https://portal.hearstmuseum.berkeley.edu/catalog/02c53343-061d-4fdc-afad-213387ddb737https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__portal.hearstmuseum.berkeley.edu_catalog_02c53343-2D061d-2D4fdc-2Dafad-2D213387ddb737&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=iUaBYKql5fVHBxbs3rz_0voLDCVEwu40m8e6R3Itmfg&m=gFvjQrbwjLQmgremLeVZ-nF8V-bMaOtRdw9geP_8wHM&s=2QpyuEqQIt-EsbEoDyNe0BSY8qeJVWbxgcTW76EOilo&e=

Audio example (mp3):

https://portal.hearstmuseum.berkeley.edu/catalog/3e246fc1-a4a0-4a81-8a16-d8b6d6e514f3https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__portal.hearstmuseum.berkeley.edu_catalog_3e246fc1-2Da4a0-2D4a81-2D8a16-2Dd8b6d6e514f3&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=iUaBYKql5fVHBxbs3rz_0voLDCVEwu40m8e6R3Itmfg&m=gFvjQrbwjLQmgremLeVZ-nF8V-bMaOtRdw9geP_8wHM&s=oBNOcB-Fqp4DR7B8fFcMt28KXCFs0WkQxE2uB2VBsVE&e=

Regards,

John

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:12 AM William Wolf <ww@williwolf.netmailto:ww@williwolf.net> wrote:
Thanks Megan,

I realize now that I have some MP4 files that are probably too large. The modest size ones are playing as you describe.

I will dig into the server logs and see what’s going on with the server resources, I’m currently running a small server in the cloud for CSpace that probably can’t deal with large MP4 files streaming out.

Willi Wolf

From: Megan Forbes <megan.forbes@lyrasis.orgmailto:megan.forbes@lyrasis.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 8:48 AM
To: William Wolf <ww@williwolf.netmailto:ww@williwolf.net>; talk@lists.collectionspace.orgmailto:talk@lists.collectionspace.org
Subject: Re: [Talk] Viewing a video media handling object

Willi,

You can't view video via the CSpace UI, but if you click on the thumbnail most browsers will open a new tab and play the content for you - definitely works that way in Chrome and FF, but I haven't tried on Safari or Edge.

Hope this helps,
M

Megan Forbes
CollectionSpace Program Manager
megan.forbes@lyrasis.orgmailto:megan.forbes@lyrasis.org
800.999.8558 x2917

From: ww@williwolf.netmailto:ww@williwolf.net <ww@williwolf.netmailto:ww@williwolf.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:10 AM
To: talk@lists.collectionspace.orgmailto:talk@lists.collectionspace.org <talk@lists.collectionspace.orgmailto:talk@lists.collectionspace.org>
Subject: [Talk] Viewing a video media handling object

Hi,

I have a media handling record that I created that contains a file of type video/mp4.

Is there any way to view it with the CSpace interface? Or is it intended only to be stored, later to be downloaded and viewed elsewhere?

thanks,

Willi Wolf

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John,

Thank you for helping me understand (again) !

Best,
Willi

From: John Brandon Lowe MLIS PhD jblowe@berkeley.edu
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 9:35 AM
To: William Wolf ww@williwolf.net
Cc: talk@lists.collectionspace.org
Subject: Re: [Talk] Re: Viewing a video media handling object

Willi,

CSpace does not support streaming media in general and relies (as Megan noted) on whatever support is built in to your browser.

In the case of playback of large video files, the user experience is unlikely to be adequate unless you have sufficient bandwidth (and as you note, your server is fast enouth) or you download the file to your local system and playback from there.

We have worked around this at UC Berkeley. Recall that last year I replied to a similar query from you... I paste it back in here for your reference.

Do please feel free to contact me for more details.

John

From: John Brandon Lowe MLIS PhD <jblowe@berkeley.edumailto:jblowe@berkeley.edu>
Date: Wed, May 19, 2021 at 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk] Re: media handling files: use and size
To: William Wolf <ww@williwolf.netmailto:ww@williwolf.net>
Cc: CollectionSpace Talk List <talk@lists.collectionspace.orgmailto:talk@lists.collectionspace.org>

Willi,

UC Berkeley (i.e. the Hearst Museum of Anthropology) also stores a limited set of other media formats, e.g. "video files".  CSpace does not make "derivatives" for non-image media -- instead the original media is stored and a placeholder for the media type is shown in the UI.  The Hearst currently stores audio files (both AIFF and MP3 files) and video files (as MP4).

In order to make "playable" versions of the streaming media, separate lower-quality versions of the media were made outside cspace and uploaded to CSpace separately alongside the high-res archival versions. A bit of an effort, to be sure!

These streaming files are rendered outside the regular CSpace frontend and backend via custom code. Here are a couple records from the Hearst Museum Blacklight Portal.

Video example (nb: no sound!):

https://portal.hearstmuseum.berkeley.edu/catalog/02c53343-061d-4fdc-afad-213387ddb737

Audio example (mp3):

https://portal.hearstmuseum.berkeley.edu/catalog/3e246fc1-a4a0-4a81-8a16-d8b6d6e514f3

Regards,

John

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:12 AM William Wolf <ww@williwolf.netmailto:ww@williwolf.net> wrote:
Thanks Megan,

I realize now that I have some MP4 files that are probably too large. The modest size ones are playing as you describe.

I will dig into the server logs and see what’s going on with the server resources, I’m currently running a small server in the cloud for CSpace that probably can’t deal with large MP4 files streaming out.

Willi Wolf

From: Megan Forbes <megan.forbes@lyrasis.orgmailto:megan.forbes@lyrasis.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 8:48 AM
To: William Wolf <ww@williwolf.netmailto:ww@williwolf.net>; talk@lists.collectionspace.orgmailto:talk@lists.collectionspace.org
Subject: Re: [Talk] Viewing a video media handling object

Willi,

You can't view video via the CSpace UI, but if you click on the thumbnail most browsers will open a new tab and play the content for you - definitely works that way in Chrome and FF, but I haven't tried on Safari or Edge.

Hope this helps,
M

Megan Forbes
CollectionSpace Program Manager
megan.forbes@lyrasis.orgmailto:megan.forbes@lyrasis.org
800.999.8558 x2917

From: ww@williwolf.netmailto:ww@williwolf.net <ww@williwolf.netmailto:ww@williwolf.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:10 AM
To: talk@lists.collectionspace.orgmailto:talk@lists.collectionspace.org <talk@lists.collectionspace.orgmailto:talk@lists.collectionspace.org>
Subject: [Talk] Viewing a video media handling object

Hi,

I have a media handling record that I created that contains a file of type video/mp4.

Is there any way to view it with the CSpace interface? Or is it intended only to be stored, later to be downloaded and viewed elsewhere?

thanks,

Willi Wolf

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