This is just a brief report, not a how-to.
I got a KS_24361 with a bad Lucent power module. Having nothing to lose I thought I'd see if it came apart. After unsoldering it from the motherboard, I found the usual potting compound. Fortunately, the compound was only loosely attached to the board in the brick and was easy to pick off. After that, I used a pair of needle-nose pliers to work the board out of the casing. In spite of the pic below, I first gently pried up on the corners, in succession, until the corners released. Then I worked my way toward the middle, until the board came out. Be aware that there are two small inductors on the top side of the board that have metal covers that will probably stay in the potting compound. Just leave them there. When you push it all back together the covers will go back on the inductors.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/OpenUp.jpg
One corner of the brick was pretty hot while I had it on, so I figured there was a shorted component. As it turned out, it was a 15uF tantalum cap with a big brown spot on it.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/BadCap.jpg
Here's the cap removed from the board at the upper left.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/CapRemoved.jpg
So, ordered the cap, put it on the board, then just pushed the pins into the motherboard for testing. I didn't even bother soldering it.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/Testing.jpg
Tests were good, so I stuffed the board back into the casing, and soldered it all back on the motherboard. I didn't bother repotting the bottom surface of the board. I attached the repaired KS to my good REF-0, and it's now working.
Bob - AE6RV
That is almost a carbon copy description of how I fixed a
similar module in my Ball/Efratom MGPS unit on my GPSRb
unit.
An oven set to 140C is your friend when doing jobs like
this.
The guys that make these modules are trying to make them
as small as possible, so they always use tantalum capacitors,
and run them very close to their ratings... in this case, it
was 18V on a 20V cap.
This particular module had +/- 15V, and +5V on board. I have
never seen so many individual switching power supplies stuffed
into a single module... They were all little 5 terminal IC's,
with each running at whatever frequency it felt like...
-Chuck Harris
Bob Stewart wrote:
This is just a brief report, not a how-to.
I got a KS_24361 with a bad Lucent power module. Having nothing to lose I thought
I'd see if it came apart. After unsoldering it from the motherboard, I found the
usual potting compound. Fortunately, the compound was only loosely attached to
the board in the brick and was easy to pick off. After that, I used a pair of
needle-nose pliers to work the board out of the casing. In spite of the pic
below, I first gently pried up on the corners, in succession, until the corners
released. Then I worked my way toward the middle, until the board came out. Be
aware that there are two small inductors on the top side of the board that have
metal covers that will probably stay in the potting compound. Just leave them
there. When you push it all back together the covers will go back on the
inductors.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/OpenUp.jpg One corner of the brick was pretty hot while
I had it on, so I figured there was a shorted component. As it turned out, it was
a 15uF tantalum cap with a big brown spot on it.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/BadCap.jpg Here's the cap removed from the board at the
upper left. http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/CapRemoved.jpg
So, ordered the cap, put it on the board, then just pushed the pins into the
motherboard for testing. I didn't even bother soldering it.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/Testing.jpg Tests were good, so I stuffed the board
back into the casing, and soldered it all back on the motherboard. I didn't
bother repotting the bottom surface of the board. I attached the repaired KS to
my good REF-0, and it's now working. Bob - AE6RV
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Bob
Thanks for the pictures and clues. I have a bad lucent on a hp3801. It was
just 1 of the supplies so I adapted an alternate switcher and it works just
fine.
That said there is hope I can go back in and fix it and also if need be the
ones on the KS units I have. I have sensed there is a flake-y unit on one
of them.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Chuck Harris cfharris@erols.com wrote:
That is almost a carbon copy description of how I fixed a
similar module in my Ball/Efratom MGPS unit on my GPSRb
unit.
An oven set to 140C is your friend when doing jobs like
this.
The guys that make these modules are trying to make them
as small as possible, so they always use tantalum capacitors,
and run them very close to their ratings... in this case, it
was 18V on a 20V cap.
This particular module had +/- 15V, and +5V on board. I have
never seen so many individual switching power supplies stuffed
into a single module... They were all little 5 terminal IC's,
with each running at whatever frequency it felt like...
-Chuck Harris
Bob Stewart wrote:
This is just a brief report, not a how-to.
I got a KS_24361 with a bad Lucent power module. Having nothing to lose
I thought
I'd see if it came apart. After unsoldering it from the motherboard, I
found the
usual potting compound. Fortunately, the compound was only loosely
attached to
the board in the brick and was easy to pick off. After that, I used a
pair of
needle-nose pliers to work the board out of the casing. In spite of the
pic
below, I first gently pried up on the corners, in succession, until the
corners
released. Then I worked my way toward the middle, until the board came
out. Be
aware that there are two small inductors on the top side of the board
that have
metal covers that will probably stay in the potting compound. Just leave
them
there. When you push it all back together the covers will go back on the
inductors.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/OpenUp.jpg One corner of the brick was pretty
hot while
I had it on, so I figured there was a shorted component. As it turned
out, it was
a 15uF tantalum cap with a big brown spot on it.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/BadCap.jpg Here's the cap removed from the
board at the
upper left. http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/CapRemoved.jpg
So, ordered the cap, put it on the board, then just pushed the pins into
the
motherboard for testing. I didn't even bother soldering it.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/Testing.jpg Tests were good, so I stuffed the
board
back into the casing, and soldered it all back on the motherboard. I
didn't
bother repotting the bottom surface of the board. I attached the
repaired KS to
my good REF-0, and it's now working. Bob - AE6RV
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On 4/10/2015 4:27 PM, Bob Stewart wrote:
This is just a brief report, not a how-to.
I got a KS_24361 with a bad Lucent power module.
Thanks a lot for that report Bob, I had no idea that it was possible to
un-encapsulate those and get at the insides. I have one here that came
to me dead, and I knew it had a shorted tantalum on the -15V output
since I could see that from resistance checks. Chuck's tip about using
an oven came too late for me, but after quite a struggle I opened mine
up last night and found the culprit cap. No visible damage to it since
the short must have shut the supply down.
It now does power up and time will tell if I eventually get a green
light :^)
Dan - ac6ao
Hi
I’ve seen the same failure on Efratom LPRO Rb’s on the input bypass cap.
It’s a pretty common failure in general. Tantalum’s don’t really like very high surge
currents / rapid voltage ramps. In normal bypass applications, restricting current
surge / voltage ramps may be a bit tough on the power input side of a system.
Bob
On Apr 11, 2015, at 12:52 AM, Chuck Harris cfharris@erols.com wrote:
That is almost a carbon copy description of how I fixed a
similar module in my Ball/Efratom MGPS unit on my GPSRb
unit.
An oven set to 140C is your friend when doing jobs like
this.
The guys that make these modules are trying to make them
as small as possible, so they always use tantalum capacitors,
and run them very close to their ratings... in this case, it
was 18V on a 20V cap.
This particular module had +/- 15V, and +5V on board. I have
never seen so many individual switching power supplies stuffed
into a single module... They were all little 5 terminal IC's,
with each running at whatever frequency it felt like...
-Chuck Harris
Bob Stewart wrote:
This is just a brief report, not a how-to.
I got a KS_24361 with a bad Lucent power module. Having nothing to lose I thought
I'd see if it came apart. After unsoldering it from the motherboard, I found the
usual potting compound. Fortunately, the compound was only loosely attached to
the board in the brick and was easy to pick off. After that, I used a pair of
needle-nose pliers to work the board out of the casing. In spite of the pic
below, I first gently pried up on the corners, in succession, until the corners
released. Then I worked my way toward the middle, until the board came out. Be
aware that there are two small inductors on the top side of the board that have
metal covers that will probably stay in the potting compound. Just leave them
there. When you push it all back together the covers will go back on the
inductors.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/OpenUp.jpg One corner of the brick was pretty hot while
I had it on, so I figured there was a shorted component. As it turned out, it was
a 15uF tantalum cap with a big brown spot on it.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/BadCap.jpg Here's the cap removed from the board at the
upper left. http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/CapRemoved.jpg
So, ordered the cap, put it on the board, then just pushed the pins into the
motherboard for testing. I didn't even bother soldering it.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/Testing.jpg Tests were good, so I stuffed the board
back into the casing, and soldered it all back on the motherboard. I didn't
bother repotting the bottom surface of the board. I attached the repaired KS to
my good REF-0, and it's now working. Bob - AE6RV
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Yes, and for those hams amongst us TN's, these switchers produce copious amounts of RFI all over the HF bands. I replaced my DC/DC converters with external linears, to stop the pollution.
-Doug W6DSR
This particular module had +/- 15V, and +5V on board. I have never seen so many individual switching
power supplies stuffed into a single module... They were all little 5 terminal IC's,
with each running at whatever frequency it felt like...
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That is almost a carbon copy description of how I fixed a similar module in my Ball/Efratom MGPS unit on my GPSRb unit.
An oven set to 140C is your friend when doing jobs like this.
The guys that make these modules are trying to make them as small as possible, so they always use tantalum capacitors, and run them very close to their ratings... in this case, it was 18V on a 20V cap.
This particular module had +/- 15V, and +5V on board. I have never seen so many individual switching power supplies stuffed into a single module... They were all little 5 terminal IC's, with each running at whatever frequency it felt like...
-Chuck Harris
Bob Stewart wrote:
This is just a brief report, not a how-to.
I got a KS_24361 with a bad Lucent power module. Having nothing to
lose I thought I'd see if it came apart. After unsoldering it from
the motherboard, I found the usual potting compound. Fortunately, the
compound was only loosely attached to the board in the brick and was
easy to pick off. After that, I used a pair of needle-nose pliers to
work the board out of the casing. In spite of the pic below, I first
gently pried up on the corners, in succession, until the corners
released. Then I worked my way toward the middle, until the board
came out. Be aware that there are two small inductors on the top side
of the board that have metal covers that will probably stay in the
potting compound. Just leave them there. When you push it all back together the covers will go back on the inductors.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/OpenUp.jpg One corner of the brick was
pretty hot while I had it on, so I figured there was a shorted
component. As it turned out, it was a 15uF tantalum cap with a big brown spot on it.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/BadCap.jpg Here's the cap removed from the
board at the upper left. http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/CapRemoved.jpg
So, ordered the cap, put it on the board, then just pushed the pins
into the motherboard for testing. I didn't even bother soldering it.
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/Testing.jpg Tests were good, so I stuffed
the board back into the casing, and soldered it all back on the
motherboard. I didn't bother repotting the bottom surface of the
board. I attached the repaired KS to my good REF-0, and it's now
working. Bob - AE6RV
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