The proposed cost is $2 million and a spot can be reserved with a $50,000 deposit. One vessel is planned for a 2009 delivery, two in 2010 and three in 2011 and two more in 2012 for a total of eight vessels built at Kelly Archer in NZ. The Dashew's have reserved hull #4 for themselves. The price is for a fully equipped vessel including all spare parts, furnishings, etc. Take delivery - go cruising. -- ======================================================================= L. Bruce Jones U.S. SUBMARINES, INC. President POSEIDON UNDERSEA RESORTS LLC Tel: 208/687-9057 Fax: 208/441-7478 E-mail: bruce@ussubmarines.com http://ussubs.com http://poseidonresorts.com "Design, engineering and construction of submarines and submersibles" "Developing the world's first sea floor resort." =======================================================================

I'm on it! You think they will throw-in the airfare? Ron Rogers "Martha, has my Social Security check arrived yet?" ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Bruce Jones" <bruce@ussubmarines.com> | The proposed cost is $2 million and a spot can be reserved with a | $50,000 deposit. One vessel is planned for a 2009 delivery, two in | 2010 and three in 2011 and two more in 2012 for a total of eight | vessels built at Kelly Archer in NZ. The Dashew's have reserved hull | #4 for themselves. | | The price is for a fully equipped vessel including all spare parts, | furnishings, etc. Take delivery - go cruising.

I'm assuming that $2M doesn't include electronics. I understand the reasons to standardize everything else for easy fabrication and project management reasons, but electronics has got to involve the owner's preferences. A good electronics package on a boat of this caliber would start at $100K, and could be double that with full redundancy. John Marshall On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Ron Rogers wrote: > I'm on it! You think they will throw-in the airfare? > > Ron Rogers > "Martha, has my Social Security check arrived yet?" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L. Bruce Jones" <bruce@ussubmarines.com> > > | The proposed cost is $2 million and a spot can be reserved with a > | $50,000 deposit. One vessel is planned for a 2009 delivery, two in > | 2010 and three in 2011 and two more in 2012 for a total of eight > | vessels built at Kelly Archer in NZ. The Dashew's have reserved hull > | #4 for themselves. > | > | The price is for a fully equipped vessel including all spare parts, > | furnishings, etc. Take delivery - go cruising. > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.

     * Pactor 3 modem for SSB Sailmail
     * Icom 802 SSB
     * Icom 402 VHF
     * Garmin 76 and Garmin 172 GPS
     * JRC 24 mile radar
     * Desktop nav computer (2005)

John Marshall wrote: > A good electronics package on a boat of this >caliber would start at $100K, and could be double that with full >redundancy. I know that Nordhavn owners spend that much, but isn't there something wrong with that picture. Ben Gray went around the world and through the NW passage in a boat that had the following (directly from the Yachtworld listing): * Pactor 3 modem for SSB Sailmail * Icom 802 SSB * Icom 402 VHF * Garmin 76 and Garmin 172 GPS * JRC 24 mile radar * Desktop nav computer (2005) I think that "package" is worth less than 10K, or an order of magnitude less than your "starting" estimate. (I admit there is not an autopilot on that list, so throw in another 6K for a good one). Lots of expense equal lots of complexity which equals lots of breakdowns. Your "simple" cruisers like Ben may have more time for cruising and need less time to spend fixing the inevitable breakdowns of their systems. Best, Steve Steve Dubnoff 1966 Willard Pilothouse www.mvnereid.com sdubnoff@circlesys.com

      * Pactor 3 modem for SSB Sailmail
      * Icom 802 SSB
      * Icom 402 VHF
      * Garmin 76 and Garmin 172 GPS
      * JRC 24 mile radar
      * Desktop nav computer (2005)

Actually, the best brands of modern electronics are pretty reliable (computer excepted)... Furuno in particular. At least compared to anything else on the boat. Probably the biggest decision in cost/benefit are the SatCom devices, not to mention Sat TV, especially if we're talking the bigger Inmarsat for world-wide digital SatCom. Those devices, which together can cost another $30-40K, probably define the transition between trawler yacht and purpose-build passagemaker. As I see it, we've got SSB/Pactor on one end of the spectrum, Iridium in the middle and Inmarsat at the far end in terms of cost and performance. The 83' FPB "Windhorse" probably has less than $100K in electronics, but a lot more than $10K. John On Nov 15, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Steven Dubnoff wrote: > John Marshall wrote: > >> A good electronics package on a boat of this >> caliber would start at $100K, and could be double that with full >> redundancy. > > > I know that Nordhavn owners spend that much, but isn't there > something wrong with that picture. Ben Gray went around the world > and through the NW passage in a boat that had the following (directly > from the Yachtworld listing): > > * Pactor 3 modem for SSB Sailmail > * Icom 802 SSB > * Icom 402 VHF > * Garmin 76 and Garmin 172 GPS > * JRC 24 mile radar > * Desktop nav computer (2005) > > I think that "package" is worth less than 10K, or an order of > magnitude less than your "starting" estimate. (I admit there is not > an autopilot on that list, so throw in another 6K for a good one). > > Lots of expense equal lots of complexity which equals lots of > breakdowns. Your "simple" cruisers like Ben may have more time for > cruising and need less time to spend fixing the inevitable breakdowns > of their systems. > > Best, > > Steve > > > > Steve Dubnoff > 1966 Willard Pilothouse > www.mvnereid.com > sdubnoff@circlesys.com > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.