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Re: [time-nuts] Optical time sync

HM
Hal Murray
Fri, May 2, 2008 4:37 AM

Now these are quite impressive but what really caught my eye was one
with a Garmin hockey puck GPS antenna on top of it, I thought 'what's
this?'  I inquired of the sales rep lady at the booth and she informed
me that beacons for wind farms are required to have sychronized beacon
lights.

Neat hack.  Thanks.

I assume a GPS on top of a windmill has a great view of the sky.  How much
trouble do they get from multi-path off the blades?  Are they metal or
fiberglass?

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> Now these are quite impressive but what really caught my eye was one > with a Garmin hockey puck GPS antenna on top of it, I thought 'what's > this?' I inquired of the sales rep lady at the booth and she informed > me that beacons for wind farms are required to have sychronized beacon > lights. Neat hack. Thanks. I assume a GPS on top of a windmill has a great view of the sky. How much trouble do they get from multi-path off the blades? Are they metal or fiberglass? -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.
TV
Tom Van Baak
Fri, May 2, 2008 5:06 AM

Now these are quite impressive but what really caught my eye was one

with a Garmin hockey puck GPS antenna on top of it, I thought 'what's
this?'  I inquired of the sales rep lady at the booth and she informed
me that beacons for wind farms are required to have sychronized beacon
lights.

Neat hack.  Thanks.

I assume a GPS on top of a windmill has a great view of the sky.  How much
trouble do they get from multi-path off the blades?  Are they metal or
fiberglass?

I wonder if the blades also are in sync, either amongst
themselves, or with GPS, or with the power grid frequency.

/tvb

> Now these are quite impressive but what really caught my eye was one >> with a Garmin hockey puck GPS antenna on top of it, I thought 'what's >> this?' I inquired of the sales rep lady at the booth and she informed >> me that beacons for wind farms are required to have sychronized beacon >> lights. > > Neat hack. Thanks. > > I assume a GPS on top of a windmill has a great view of the sky. How much > trouble do they get from multi-path off the blades? Are they metal or > fiberglass? I wonder if the blades also are in sync, either amongst themselves, or with GPS, or with the power grid frequency. /tvb
BH
Bill Hawkins
Fri, May 2, 2008 6:01 AM

Well, the generators are synchronized to the line, and the blade to
generator
gearboxes may be the same for a common group of machines. Wind farms may
have a mixture of machines with different gearboxes for different
blades.

Groups of the same machine type will not be synchronized if they use
variable speed gearboxes to optimize efficiency.

The generators are coupled synchronous machines, almost always synched
to a
power grid - wind power is not as reliable as steam. But an isolated
wind
farm might exist. If it needed to generate a fixed frequency then one of
the generators would be synchronized to a standard. The other generators
would lock to the stabilized generator for stable power distribution.
The
stabilized generator has to be large enough to keep the others in sync.

Bill Hawkins

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Now these are quite impressive but what really caught my eye was one

with a Garmin hockey puck GPS antenna on top of it, I thought 'what's

this?'  I inquired of the sales rep lady at the booth and she
informed me that beacons for wind farms are required to have
sychronized beacon lights.

Neat hack.  Thanks.

I assume a GPS on top of a windmill has a great view of the sky.  How
much trouble do they get from multi-path off the blades?  Are they
metal or fiberglass?

I wonder if the blades also are in sync, either amongst themselves, or
with GPS, or with the power grid frequency.

/tvb


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Well, the generators are synchronized to the line, and the blade to generator gearboxes may be the same for a common group of machines. Wind farms may have a mixture of machines with different gearboxes for different blades. Groups of the same machine type will not be synchronized if they use variable speed gearboxes to optimize efficiency. The generators are coupled synchronous machines, almost always synched to a power grid - wind power is not as reliable as steam. But an isolated wind farm might exist. If it needed to generate a fixed frequency then one of the generators would be synchronized to a standard. The other generators would lock to the stabilized generator for stable power distribution. The stabilized generator has to be large enough to keep the others in sync. Bill Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:06 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Optical time sync > Now these are quite impressive but what really caught my eye was one >> with a Garmin hockey puck GPS antenna on top of it, I thought 'what's >> this?' I inquired of the sales rep lady at the booth and she >> informed me that beacons for wind farms are required to have >> sychronized beacon lights. > > Neat hack. Thanks. > > I assume a GPS on top of a windmill has a great view of the sky. How > much trouble do they get from multi-path off the blades? Are they > metal or fiberglass? I wonder if the blades also are in sync, either amongst themselves, or with GPS, or with the power grid frequency. /tvb _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Matthew Smith
Fri, May 2, 2008 6:07 AM

Quoth Tom Van Baak at 2008-05-02 14:36...

I wonder if the blades also are in sync, either amongst
themselves, or with GPS, or with the power grid frequency.

Those that I have seen in Denmark appear rotate in sync with each other;
I assume that this would have to be locked to the grid frequency somehow

  • can't see all that power being rectified then sent out through a
    grid-locked inverter.

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Quoth Tom Van Baak at 2008-05-02 14:36... > I wonder if the blades also are in sync, either amongst > themselves, or with GPS, or with the power grid frequency. Those that I have seen in Denmark appear rotate in sync with each other; I assume that this would have to be locked to the grid frequency somehow - can't see all that power being rectified then sent out through a grid-locked inverter. -- Matthew Smith Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy