Re: T&T: Boater ID
While I am not in favor of this proposal I think Homeland Security is not trying to scare us but to look for ways to protect us.
If the id proposal was in effect it would become apparent that they might catch a terrorist before they did damage especially if they were in a stolen boat as the id wouldn't match up.
It would be beneficial to recreational boaters in that when boarded and all the id's matched up they might not have to search the boat so thouroughly and the boater could be on there way sooner.
This is a conceptual proposal, not likely to be implemented but it does give HS a chance to hear from all of us out on the water and my give them valuable insight into the problem.
Henry
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:59:40 -0700
From: " capteric36" capteric36@sbcglobal.net
Subject: T&T: Boater ID
To: "TT LIST" trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
I get a big laugh out of this kind of thing.
Right off the bat, is there anybody in America
that thinks the terrorists give a hoot about
operating a boat illegally?
Is there anybody in America that thinks they will
not just steal the boat they are going to DIE in?
Why would anybody think that requiring law
abiding citizens to get another piece of paper (or
plastic) will make us safe from people who are
going to DIE just to blow something UP???
More "keep people scared and they will vote for
US" jive thinking.
Wonder what Hitler would say...
Eric Thompson
S/V Procrastinator
South San Francisco
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This is another power grab by the HS folks. Most of what they do is just
for show to the average citizen, so it can be said that they are doing
something. If they would only turn this into a police state then they could
keep track of all of us. They know who the terrorists are and it ain't us.
Goose stepping back to the gulag.
Jim Monahan
Subject: Re: T&T: Boater ID
While I am not in favor of this proposal I think Homeland Security is not
trying to scare us but to look for ways to protect us.
I get a big laugh out of this kind of thing.
Right off the bat, is there anybody in America
that thinks the terrorists give a hoot about
operating a boat illegally?
Is there anybody in America that thinks they will
not just steal the boat they are going to DIE in?
Why would anybody think that requiring law
abiding citizens to get another piece of paper (or
plastic) will make us safe from people who are
going to DIE just to blow something UP???
More "keep people scared and they will vote for
US" jive thinking.
Wonder what Hitler would say...
Eric Thompson
S/V Procrastinator
South San Francisco
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By the way, I am in favor of a National picture ID card with home address,
one that is impossible to forge, for all legal residents of the USA. That
will root out all of the illegals that are in our country. The government
knows where we live anyway, through our SSAN and our tax returns.
But, I know that many of you think that is a further infringement upon our
freedom. It, in my humble opinion does not do so. What do you all think?
Dick Sponholz
M/V KIELIA
.
Dick, I agree, that's fine. But do remember, that for those of us who
actually cruise full-time, we don't really have a reliable home address. If
they take PO boxes, I guess that would work, but genuine liveaboard
full-time cruisers are seldom at any printed address.
Bob Peterson
"Lopaka Nane"
47' Lien Hwa CPMY
San Francisco
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Richard Sponholz
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:23 AM
To: 'Jim Monahan'; 'Henry Quigley'; 'capteric36'; 'T&T LIST'
Subject: Re: T&T: Boater ID
By the way, I am in favor of a National picture ID card with home address,
one that is impossible to forge, for all legal residents of the USA. That
will root out all of the illegals that are in our country. The government
knows where we live anyway, through our SSAN and our tax returns.
But, I know that many of you think that is a further infringement upon our
freedom. It, in my humble opinion does not do so. What do you all think?
Dick Sponholz
M/V KIELIA
I think this is not the place to discuss this topic, although I would say that
I could not disagree with you more.
Dan DeBruin
Hokey Pokey
Heritage 36
Geneva NY
"Richard Sponholz" sponi@rcn.com 11/1/2007 1:22 PM >>>
By the way, I am in favor of a National picture ID card with home address,
one that is impossible to forge, for all legal residents of the USA. That
will root out all of the illegals that are in our country. The government
knows where we live anyway, through our SSAN and our tax returns.
But, I know that many of you think that is a further infringement upon our
freedom. It, in my humble opinion does not do so. What do you all think?
Dick Sponholz
M/V KIELIA
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Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen,
Please remember that this list is provided to discuss boating related
topics. This subject, with the exception of the last few posts, have
generally related the issue to boating, but now it is starting to stray.
Daniel is absolutely correct, this list is not the place to discuss the
political side of this topic.
If you wish to continue the discussion, please keep it related strictly
to boating. If you feel compelled to get into the political
ramifications of the subject, please take it off-list, either among
yourselves or to a forum maintained for that purpose.
Keep on trawlering!
Bob McLeran
T&T List Administrator
On 11/1/2007 1:33 PM, Daniel DeBruin wrote:
I think this is not the place to discuss this topic, although I would say that
I could not disagree with you more.
Dan DeBruin
Hokey Pokey
Heritage 36
Geneva NY
<< But do remember, that for those of us who
actually cruise full-time, we don't really have a reliable home address. If
they take PO boxes, I guess that would work, but genuine liveaboard
full-time cruisers are seldom at any printed address.>>
One thing I learned early-on in full time cruising; you need a home address
to give to various government and corporate powers. You don't really want
to have to explain the cruising lifestyle to these types, and it wouldn't
help, anyway. The nearest lifestyle most of them are aware of is a
homeless person, (probably insane, a drug addict, and a criminal), and you
don't want to be treated like one.
For 8 years I used my parent's address in Orange City, FL. If you don't
file a change of address with the post office, you won't get much junk mail
there. But a real address is necessary for such things as boat registration
and drivers license renewals.
Mark Richter, m/v Winnie the Pooh, 46' converted sail; Ortona, FL
Mark, re "But a real address is necessary for such things as boat
registration and drivers license renewals", in California, that's not true!
My Cal Drivers License lists my PO box as my address. My U.S. Documentation
for the boat lists my PO box as our address. For the few who ask about it,
I simply explain that the US Post Office does not deliver to individual
slips in our marina, since they don't have keys to access the place; so we
use a PO box. That seems to satisfy everyone, except FedEx and UPS drivers!
Bob Peterson
"Lopaka Nane"
47' Lien Hwa CPMY
San Francisco
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[mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Richter
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:50 AM
To: 'T&T LIST'
Subject: Re: T&T: Boater ID
<< But do remember, that for those of us who actually cruise full-time, we
don't really have a reliable home address. If they take PO boxes, I guess
that would work, but genuine liveaboard full-time cruisers are seldom at any
printed address.>>
One thing I learned early-on in full time cruising; you need a home address
to give to various government and corporate powers. You don't really want
to have to explain the cruising lifestyle to these types, and it wouldn't
help, anyway. The nearest lifestyle most of them are aware of is a
homeless person, (probably insane, a drug addict, and a criminal), and you
don't want to be treated like one.
For 8 years I used my parent's address in Orange City, FL. If you don't
file a change of address with the post office, you won't get much junk mail
there. But a real address is necessary for such things as boat registration
and drivers license renewals.
Mark Richter, m/v Winnie the Pooh, 46' converted sail; Ortona, FL
It does help to have an actual house somewhere, maybe rented out. However,
you can get by with a UPS store address. Since it IS a street address, it
seems to make the authorities happy. I list mine something like:
2149 Marina Bay Dr.
#123-456
and that satisfies everyone, where the first numbers are the suite and the
second are my box. Works much better than a PO Box, and they will ship and
receive FedEx, UPS, motor freight, etc. and forward mail and packages to you
as well while you're out cruising.
Keith
Being "over the hill" is much better than being under it!
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From: "Mark Richter" richter-pooh@rocketmail.com
One thing I learned early-on in full time cruising; you need a home
address
to give to various government and corporate powers.