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J. Forster
Sat, Dec 26, 2009 5:03 PM

In most single family houses, the water supply is pretty constant
temperature because the pipes typically run well underground for miles and
miles. Seasonal temperature variations don't usually go down more than a
few feet. The pipes are often deeper.

-John

=============

Hi,

In most rural or semi-rural areas over here in Canterbury, New
Zealand, water is provided by a well on the domicile section. Wells
are drilled into the natural aquifer formed by volcanic ash which we
live on so it is relatively easy to create a bore hole and take
advantage of the naturally filtered water from quite a distance below
the surface. I wouldn't mind betting that this water comes out of the
ground at a very constant temperature season by season and the amount
needed to flow over the rb heatsink to hold it steady would not be so
great as to be able to be wasted back into the drains.

Ths would save all the messing about pumping water down into a bore
and pumping it back up again. Although I appreciate that not everone
is in the position to do this but some may already have a water supply
like this, even for garden irrigation. When I lived out in the sticks
I had reticulated water on the drip for the house uses but my own bore
for garden irrigation.

73
Steve

2009/12/25 Bob Camp lists@cq.nu:

Hi

Actually burying a recirculating loop might work pretty well. The gotcha
is that going much deeper than 18" would require significant amounts of
blasting powder. I suspect the neighbors might object ....

Bob

On Dec 24, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Don Latham wrote:

Actually, couldn't you just squeeze your fish before you eat it? Should
have a lot of mercury in notime, according to the scaremongers.
Also, consider a heatsink buried about 10-15 feet deep. The temperature
at
that depth in the ground does not vary very much at all. The trick to
all
of this is to have a heatsink/source at a constant temp somewhere...
Merry Christams to all the nuts!
Don

Bruce Griffiths

Magnus Danielson wrote:

Bruce,

Bruce Griffiths wrote:

At your location, at present, it wouldnt be a significant problem as
long as the basement was unheated.

Depends. But having 3 dm snow on the ground helps to keep the ground
around the house warmer, as it will insulate against the cold of the
open sky. -12.8 C is the lowest so far. Since winter is reoccuring,
we
build the houses accordingly.

Also good ventilation would help, together with a thin layer of oil
on top of the mercury.

Mmm. Yes, didn't think about covering the baths with fluids.

The biggest obstacle would be the cost of the Mercury.

Actually, it could be an obstcle just obtaining in those amounts it
here within EC, so it would involve some form of approval of some
form
of excempt since it is mercury is a ROS element.

Cheers,
Magnus

Guidline price is around $US600/flask (1 flask = 34.5kg).
Thus cost for 145 ton would be around $US2.5million.

The Canadians have a liquid mercury mirror telescope about 6m in
diameter.
Whilst this doesn't use 145 tons of mercury the surface area would be
of
the same order.

Bruce


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In most single family houses, the water supply is pretty constant temperature because the pipes typically run well underground for miles and miles. Seasonal temperature variations don't usually go down more than a few feet. The pipes are often deeper. -John ============= > Hi, > > In most rural or semi-rural areas over here in Canterbury, New > Zealand, water is provided by a well on the domicile section. Wells > are drilled into the natural aquifer formed by volcanic ash which we > live on so it is relatively easy to create a bore hole and take > advantage of the naturally filtered water from quite a distance below > the surface. I wouldn't mind betting that this water comes out of the > ground at a very constant temperature season by season and the amount > needed to flow over the rb heatsink to hold it steady would not be so > great as to be able to be wasted back into the drains. > > Ths would save all the messing about pumping water down into a bore > and pumping it back up again. Although I appreciate that not everone > is in the position to do this but some may already have a water supply > like this, even for garden irrigation. When I lived out in the sticks > I had reticulated water on the drip for the house uses but my own bore > for garden irrigation. > > 73 > Steve > > 2009/12/25 Bob Camp <lists@cq.nu>: >> Hi >> >> Actually burying a recirculating loop might work pretty well. The gotcha >> is that going much deeper than 18" would require significant amounts of >> blasting powder. I suspect the neighbors *might* object .... >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Dec 24, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Don Latham wrote: >> >>> Actually, couldn't you just squeeze your fish before you eat it? Should >>> have a lot of mercury in notime, according to the scaremongers. >>> Also, consider a heatsink buried about 10-15 feet deep. The temperature >>> at >>> that depth in the ground does not vary very much at all. The trick to >>> all >>> of this is to have a heatsink/source at a constant temp somewhere... >>> Merry Christams to all the nuts! >>> Don >>> >>> Bruce Griffiths >>>> Magnus Danielson wrote: >>>>> Bruce, >>>>> >>>>> Bruce Griffiths wrote: >>>>>> At your location, at present, it wouldnt be a significant problem as >>>>>> long as the basement was unheated. >>>>> >>>>> Depends. But having 3 dm snow on the ground helps to keep the ground >>>>> around the house warmer, as it will insulate against the cold of the >>>>> open sky. -12.8 C is the lowest so far. Since winter is reoccuring, >>>>> we >>>>> build the houses accordingly. >>>>> >>>>>> Also good ventilation would help, together with a thin layer of oil >>>>>> on top of the mercury. >>>>> >>>>> Mmm. Yes, didn't think about covering the baths with fluids. >>>>> >>>>>> The biggest obstacle would be the cost of the Mercury. >>>>> >>>>> Actually, it could be an obstcle just obtaining in those amounts it >>>>> here within EC, so it would involve some form of approval of some >>>>> form >>>>> of excempt since it is mercury is a ROS element. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Magnus >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Guidline price is around $US600/flask (1 flask = 34.5kg). >>>> Thus cost for 145 ton would be around $US2.5million. >>>> >>>> The Canadians have a liquid mercury mirror telescope about 6m in >>>> diameter. >>>> Whilst this doesn't use 145 tons of mercury the surface area would be >>>> of >>>> the same order. >>>> >>>> Bruce >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL >>> Six Mile Systems LLP >>> 17850 Six Mile Road >>> POB 134 >>> Huson, MT, 59846 >>> VOX 406-626-4304 >>> www.lightningforensics.com >>> www.sixmilesystems.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > > > -- > Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD > A man with one clock knows what time it is; > A man with two clocks is never quite sure. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >
BC
Bob Camp
Sat, Dec 26, 2009 5:37 PM

Hi

Unfortunately, I can see the main water tower from my front yard. We don't spend much money heating shower water in the summer.....

Bob

On Dec 26, 2009, at 12:03 PM, J. Forster wrote:

In most single family houses, the water supply is pretty constant
temperature because the pipes typically run well underground for miles and
miles. Seasonal temperature variations don't usually go down more than a
few feet. The pipes are often deeper.

-John

=============

Hi,

In most rural or semi-rural areas over here in Canterbury, New
Zealand, water is provided by a well on the domicile section. Wells
are drilled into the natural aquifer formed by volcanic ash which we
live on so it is relatively easy to create a bore hole and take
advantage of the naturally filtered water from quite a distance below
the surface. I wouldn't mind betting that this water comes out of the
ground at a very constant temperature season by season and the amount
needed to flow over the rb heatsink to hold it steady would not be so
great as to be able to be wasted back into the drains.

Ths would save all the messing about pumping water down into a bore
and pumping it back up again. Although I appreciate that not everone
is in the position to do this but some may already have a water supply
like this, even for garden irrigation. When I lived out in the sticks
I had reticulated water on the drip for the house uses but my own bore
for garden irrigation.

73
Steve

2009/12/25 Bob Camp lists@cq.nu:

Hi

Actually burying a recirculating loop might work pretty well. The gotcha
is that going much deeper than 18" would require significant amounts of
blasting powder. I suspect the neighbors might object ....

Bob

On Dec 24, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Don Latham wrote:

Actually, couldn't you just squeeze your fish before you eat it? Should
have a lot of mercury in notime, according to the scaremongers.
Also, consider a heatsink buried about 10-15 feet deep. The temperature
at
that depth in the ground does not vary very much at all. The trick to
all
of this is to have a heatsink/source at a constant temp somewhere...
Merry Christams to all the nuts!
Don

Bruce Griffiths

Magnus Danielson wrote:

Bruce,

Bruce Griffiths wrote:

At your location, at present, it wouldnt be a significant problem as
long as the basement was unheated.

Depends. But having 3 dm snow on the ground helps to keep the ground
around the house warmer, as it will insulate against the cold of the
open sky. -12.8 C is the lowest so far. Since winter is reoccuring,
we
build the houses accordingly.

Also good ventilation would help, together with a thin layer of oil
on top of the mercury.

Mmm. Yes, didn't think about covering the baths with fluids.

The biggest obstacle would be the cost of the Mercury.

Actually, it could be an obstcle just obtaining in those amounts it
here within EC, so it would involve some form of approval of some
form
of excempt since it is mercury is a ROS element.

Cheers,
Magnus

Guidline price is around $US600/flask (1 flask = 34.5kg).
Thus cost for 145 ton would be around $US2.5million.

The Canadians have a liquid mercury mirror telescope about 6m in
diameter.
Whilst this doesn't use 145 tons of mercury the surface area would be
of
the same order.

Bruce


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www.sixmilesystems.com


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Hi Unfortunately, I can see the main water tower from my front yard. We don't spend much money heating shower water in the summer..... Bob On Dec 26, 2009, at 12:03 PM, J. Forster wrote: > In most single family houses, the water supply is pretty constant > temperature because the pipes typically run well underground for miles and > miles. Seasonal temperature variations don't usually go down more than a > few feet. The pipes are often deeper. > > -John > > ============= > >> Hi, >> >> In most rural or semi-rural areas over here in Canterbury, New >> Zealand, water is provided by a well on the domicile section. Wells >> are drilled into the natural aquifer formed by volcanic ash which we >> live on so it is relatively easy to create a bore hole and take >> advantage of the naturally filtered water from quite a distance below >> the surface. I wouldn't mind betting that this water comes out of the >> ground at a very constant temperature season by season and the amount >> needed to flow over the rb heatsink to hold it steady would not be so >> great as to be able to be wasted back into the drains. >> >> Ths would save all the messing about pumping water down into a bore >> and pumping it back up again. Although I appreciate that not everone >> is in the position to do this but some may already have a water supply >> like this, even for garden irrigation. When I lived out in the sticks >> I had reticulated water on the drip for the house uses but my own bore >> for garden irrigation. >> >> 73 >> Steve >> >> 2009/12/25 Bob Camp <lists@cq.nu>: >>> Hi >>> >>> Actually burying a recirculating loop might work pretty well. The gotcha >>> is that going much deeper than 18" would require significant amounts of >>> blasting powder. I suspect the neighbors *might* object .... >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> On Dec 24, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Don Latham wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, couldn't you just squeeze your fish before you eat it? Should >>>> have a lot of mercury in notime, according to the scaremongers. >>>> Also, consider a heatsink buried about 10-15 feet deep. The temperature >>>> at >>>> that depth in the ground does not vary very much at all. The trick to >>>> all >>>> of this is to have a heatsink/source at a constant temp somewhere... >>>> Merry Christams to all the nuts! >>>> Don >>>> >>>> Bruce Griffiths >>>>> Magnus Danielson wrote: >>>>>> Bruce, >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruce Griffiths wrote: >>>>>>> At your location, at present, it wouldnt be a significant problem as >>>>>>> long as the basement was unheated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Depends. But having 3 dm snow on the ground helps to keep the ground >>>>>> around the house warmer, as it will insulate against the cold of the >>>>>> open sky. -12.8 C is the lowest so far. Since winter is reoccuring, >>>>>> we >>>>>> build the houses accordingly. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Also good ventilation would help, together with a thin layer of oil >>>>>>> on top of the mercury. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mmm. Yes, didn't think about covering the baths with fluids. >>>>>> >>>>>>> The biggest obstacle would be the cost of the Mercury. >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually, it could be an obstcle just obtaining in those amounts it >>>>>> here within EC, so it would involve some form of approval of some >>>>>> form >>>>>> of excempt since it is mercury is a ROS element. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Magnus >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Guidline price is around $US600/flask (1 flask = 34.5kg). >>>>> Thus cost for 145 ton would be around $US2.5million. >>>>> >>>>> The Canadians have a liquid mercury mirror telescope about 6m in >>>>> diameter. >>>>> Whilst this doesn't use 145 tons of mercury the surface area would be >>>>> of >>>>> the same order. >>>>> >>>>> Bruce >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL >>>> Six Mile Systems LLP >>>> 17850 Six Mile Road >>>> POB 134 >>>> Huson, MT, 59846 >>>> VOX 406-626-4304 >>>> www.lightningforensics.com >>>> www.sixmilesystems.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD >> A man with one clock knows what time it is; >> A man with two clocks is never quite sure. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >