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Re: T&T: RE: Protecting Edge of Swim Platform

GB
Gary Brobst
Sat, Jan 15, 2005 12:37 PM

Carl wrote:

While Joe wrote this with good intent....UHMW and most of its relatives
will
not take sunlight and will eventially deteriorate.  This is according to
several plastics manufacturers.

I am not a plastics expert and have always considered Starboard as a close
relative to UHMW.  Is there a difference and how does Starboard hold up
under UV rays?  I was considering using Starboard for some outside
applications and am interested in the long term results.

Regarding the swim platform, our boat has the 1 inch half oval solid back SS
rub rail (available from Taco) around the edge which has protected the teak
for 20 years.

Gary Brobst
m/v Waypoint
49' Defever RPH
Oak Harbor Marina
Slidell, LA

Carl wrote: >While Joe wrote this with good intent....UHMW and most of its relatives >will >not take sunlight and will eventially deteriorate. This is according to >several plastics manufacturers. I am not a plastics expert and have always considered Starboard as a close relative to UHMW. Is there a difference and how does Starboard hold up under UV rays? I was considering using Starboard for some outside applications and am interested in the long term results. Regarding the swim platform, our boat has the 1 inch half oval solid back SS rub rail (available from Taco) around the edge which has protected the teak for 20 years. Gary Brobst m/v Waypoint 49' Defever RPH Oak Harbor Marina Slidell, LA
JM
Jim McCorison
Sat, Jan 15, 2005 3:48 PM

At 06:37 AM 1/15/2005 -0600, Gary Brobst wrote:

Is there a difference and how does Starboard hold up under UV rays?

I'm not a plastics expert either, but I do know that starboard holds up
fine in UV and UHMW degrades in UV. Talk to your local plastics shop.

Here is an interested FAQ in UHMW http://www.crownplastics.com/FAQ.htm

Jim

Jim McCorison
Starfish Marine
(619) 337-5370
http://www.starfishmarine.com

At 06:37 AM 1/15/2005 -0600, Gary Brobst wrote: >Is there a difference and how does Starboard hold up under UV rays? I'm not a plastics expert either, but I do know that starboard holds up fine in UV and UHMW degrades in UV. Talk to your local plastics shop. Here is an interested FAQ in UHMW http://www.crownplastics.com/FAQ.htm Jim Jim McCorison Starfish Marine (619) 337-5370 http://www.starfishmarine.com
K
Keith
Mon, Jan 17, 2005 3:02 PM

ANY plastic without UV stabilizers will degrade in sunlight over time. The
thing about these two is that they're thick, and they're basically opaque.
As such, the sun only degrades the outer molecular layers of the PE, whether
it be HDPE or UHMWPE, but you probably won't notice much, if any difference.
The outer surface may get chalky over the years, but that's about it. PVCs
or "vinyls" will degrade both through loss of plasticizers (which make them
soft) AND UV degradation. When you get that sticky stuff on the outside of
PVC dinks or fenders, that's the plasticizers coming out... they're pretty
much shot at that point.

You have to worry about UV resistance much more in thin pieces of clear
plastics, like acrylic which will "craze" or isinglass, which will degrade,
lose it's plasticizers and turn yellow. You can add uv inhibitors like
nickel compounds or benzophenones, but of course that adds to the
cost/price. The most severe use for this is clear greenhouse film, which is
maybe 4-6 mils thick and is expected to stand up to sunlight for as long as
possible.

The best UV stabilizer is carbon black. It's degraded about as far as it can
go, and is very opaque, which limits the UV exposure of the plastic to the
very outer layer(s) of the synthetic. That's why I only use black
docklines... they will last longer than any other color.

Anyway, any of the thick poly materials should be fine for what you're
talking about. I'd avoid anything made of PVC however.

Keith
__
Why is it that if you tell someone there are 6.3 trillion stars in the
universe they will believe it,
but if you tell them that your teak has wet varnish they have to touch it?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim McCorison" jim@starfishmarine.com

I'm not a plastics expert either, but I do know that starboard holds up
fine in UV and UHMW degrades in UV. Talk to your local plastics shop.

Here is an interested FAQ in UHMW http://www.crownplastics.com/FAQ.htm

ANY plastic without UV stabilizers will degrade in sunlight over time. The thing about these two is that they're thick, and they're basically opaque. As such, the sun only degrades the outer molecular layers of the PE, whether it be HDPE or UHMWPE, but you probably won't notice much, if any difference. The outer surface may get chalky over the years, but that's about it. PVCs or "vinyls" will degrade both through loss of plasticizers (which make them soft) AND UV degradation. When you get that sticky stuff on the outside of PVC dinks or fenders, that's the plasticizers coming out... they're pretty much shot at that point. You have to worry about UV resistance much more in thin pieces of clear plastics, like acrylic which will "craze" or isinglass, which will degrade, lose it's plasticizers and turn yellow. You can add uv inhibitors like nickel compounds or benzophenones, but of course that adds to the cost/price. The most severe use for this is clear greenhouse film, which is maybe 4-6 mils thick and is expected to stand up to sunlight for as long as possible. The best UV stabilizer is carbon black. It's degraded about as far as it can go, and is very opaque, which limits the UV exposure of the plastic to the very outer layer(s) of the synthetic. That's why I only use black docklines... they will last longer than any other color. Anyway, any of the thick poly materials should be fine for what you're talking about. I'd avoid anything made of PVC however. Keith __ Why is it that if you tell someone there are 6.3 trillion stars in the universe they will believe it, but if you tell them that your teak has wet varnish they have to touch it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim McCorison" <jim@starfishmarine.com> > > I'm not a plastics expert either, but I do know that starboard holds up > fine in UV and UHMW degrades in UV. Talk to your local plastics shop. > > Here is an interested FAQ in UHMW http://www.crownplastics.com/FAQ.htm >