Jonathan, I have a 1988 Cheoy Lee 55' LRMY. I had it built in Hong Kong, and imported it myself through Baltimore. I went to the yard 9 times to watch them build it and eventually sea trial it in Hong Kong Harbor. The Choey Lee's are incredible, seemingly indestructible boats. They use solid RFP below the water line. They (mine at least) have 2 engines for reliability. the engine room is standing headroom with walk-around engines. When the boat was 2 years old we were delivering the boat from the Abaco Islandas Bahamas, to the Chesapeake Bay. When apx 250 miles East of Charleston we were hit by a storm with waves apx 30' high. The crew did terribly, I the worst, but the boat made it. We were actually "knocked down", apx 6 times. After keeping in touch with the coast guard on 2182 all night, we finally threw in the towel and answered in the affirmative when they, for the tenth time, asked if we needed help. The Coast Guard sent a 180' cutter, the Navy took my two children and two women off the boat by helicopter, and 2 of us remained on board for the Coast Guard to arrive, sick and debilitated. We were escorted into Morehead City, cleaned her up and went for breakfast. The boat looked like new, we did not. I would take a Cheoy Lee anywhere in the world, and, frankly, hoped to sell my 22 year old EXCALIBUR, buy a new one, and cruise her back from China myself. Instead, I am just rebuilding her and will cruise her another 22 years if able. They are awesome boats, built like a little ship, and for less than their competition of equal quality. Good luck in your decision making. Dan Guenther 55 Cheoy Lee LRMY Excalibur > From: passagemaking-request@lists.trawlering.com > Subject: Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 84, Issue 1 > To: passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:00:35 -0500 > > Send Passagemaking-Under-Power mailing list submissions to > passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking_lists.trawlering.com > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > passagemaking-request@lists.trawlering.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > passagemaking-owner@lists.trawlering.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Passagemaking-Under-Power digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. NOAA Chart No. 1 Updated (LAL) > 2. What boats are out there (Jonathan Haas) > 3. Re: What boats are out there (Ken Williams) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:40:20 +0200 > From: LAL <lalicata@alum.rpi.edu> > To: TrawlerList TrawlerList <passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com> > Subject: [PUP] NOAA Chart No. 1 Updated > Message-ID: <7F704670-1284-4AD1-998A-E615C2A33889@alum.rpi.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) issued an > updated version of Chart No. 1. The chart provides descriptions and > depictions of the basic nautical chart elements and symbols used on > nautical charts issued by NOAA and the National Geospatial- > Intelligence Agency (NGA). (12/8/11). > <http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/chart1/ChartNo1.pdf> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:07:09 -0600 > From: Jonathan Haas <llywinda@gmail.com> > To: passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com > Subject: [PUP] What boats are out there > Message-ID: > <CAC4Fg5WQPeQ2-LYtB3ATMpPJecz0ma_1VBFDXYwNnvGMb=bbhg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Friends: > > My wife and I are quickly narrowing down the list of boats that will be our > home for the next 10 years. We have done a lot of research and been on a > fair number of boats. All, of course, have pluses and minuses. One > question we have for the PUP list is: what types of power boats, i.e. > trawlers, do you see out there in the more distant areas - Mediterranean, > South Pacific, Aruba, South China Sea? Nordhavn's, Diesel Ducks, > Kadey-Krogens, Selenes? Any observations would be most welcome. > > Jonathan > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:57:29 -0800 > From: "Ken Williams" <ken@kensblog.com> > To: "'Jonathan Haas'" <llywinda@gmail.com>, > <passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com> > Subject: Re: [PUP] What boats are out there > Message-ID: <00e101ccb9b8$4cab2f70$e6018e50$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Jonathan, > > My wife and I have cruised a lot of "off the beaten path" places, and the > quick answer to your question is that there aren't a lot of power boats out > there doing world cruising. It's a large world and there aren't that many > trawlers out there. > > Personally, I'm biased towards Nordhavn, but only because my perception is > that they cost the most, and have the most experience in the category. > Nordhavn tracks mileage for their boats and the last I checked Nordhavns had > run over 4 million miles. I don't know the statistics, but my guess is that > well over half of all the power boats cruising in the boondocks, worldwide, > are Nordhavn. That said, most of the systems are the same between the boats > (engines, hydraulics, davits, winlasses, etc), so my guess is that any of > the brands you mentioned will get you anywhere you want to go. > > One thought for you... > > Contact the organization behind the Fubar (http://www.fubarodyssey.com ). > See if you can get the roster for their last trip to Baja. That will show > you what boats people are using for that run. Also, see if you can find the > roster for the boats that crossed the Atlantic on Nordhavn's NAR rally (it > was open to all makes.) > > If you really do believe you are destined for "out of the way" places, focus > on getting a solid boat that can withstand a lot of abuse. I won't name > names, but not all boats are made to handle the rigors of constant use in > challenging conditions. A boat that looks pretty at the dock may fall apart > when it gets bumped around a bit, or when you live on board non-stop. > > Also -- focus on "maintainable" and "simple" (some advice I probably should > have paid more attention to). > > Good luck with a tough decision! > > -Ken Williams > Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci > www.kensblog.com > > ..... > > Friends: > > My wife and I are quickly narrowing down the list of boats that will be our > home for the next 10 years. We have done a lot of research and been on a > fair number of boats. All, of course, have pluses and minuses. One > question we have for the PUP list is: what types of power boats, i.e. > trawlers, do you see out there in the more distant areas - Mediterranean, > South Pacific, Aruba, South China Sea? Nordhavn's, Diesel Ducks, > Kadey-Krogens, Selenes? Any observations would be most welcome. > > Jonathan > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List > > End of Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 84, Issue 1 > ********************************************************

Jonathan I have a Diesel Duck 462 and my wife and I have lived on it for 6 years.  George Buehler took a long line salmon boat hull and adapted it to a cruising configuration.  Seahorse Marine in China ( near Hong Kong) makes the boats.  They are steel, designed for long range open ocean passage, have commercial grade hatches and port holes, four water tight bulkheads (steel from the bottom of the hull to the top deck), carries approximately 1800 gallons of diesel, is driven by a John Deere 135 HP turbo and consumes 2.5 gal/hr at 6.5 knots.  She is comfortable to live in.  Maintenance is routine. We are the only East Coast Duck that was delivered to the States.  Most owners leave from Hong Kong and sail them wherever. A smaller version (named Diesel Duck) went around Cape Horn.  A few have been delivered to the West Coast, usually Seattle. You may want to read "Troller Yacht" by Buehler in order to get another perspective on cruising power boats, or visit the Seahorse and Buehler web sites.  Relatively speaking they are attractively priced and we find them to be well built.  We went through the Eastern Caribbean and crossed to Panama.  We are considering a transit through the Canal then wherever suits our mood. John Milici M/V Peking Peking462@gmail.com ________________________________ From: Daniel Guenther <danieljamesguenther@hotmail.com> To: passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com Sent: Tue, December 13, 2011 10:52:02 PM Subject: [PUP] World cruising boats Jonathan, I have a 1988 Cheoy Lee 55' LRMY.  I had it built in Hong Kong, and imported it myself through Baltimore.  I went to the yard 9 times to watch them build it and eventually sea trial it in Hong Kong Harbor.  The Choey Lee's are incredible, seemingly indestructible boats.  They use solid RFP below the water line.  They (mine at least) have 2 engines for reliability.  the engine room is standing headroom with walk-around engines.  When the boat was 2 years old we were delivering the boat from the Abaco Islandas Bahamas, to the Chesapeake Bay.  When apx 250 miles East of Charleston we were hit by a storm with waves apx 30' high.  The crew did terribly, I the worst, but the boat made it.  We were actually "knocked down", apx 6 times.  After keeping in touch with the coast guard on 2182 all night, we finally threw in the towel and answered in the affirmative when they, for the tenth time, asked if we needed help.  The Coast Guard sent a 180' cutter, the Navy took my two children and two women off the boat by helicopter, and 2 of us remained on board for the Coast Guard to arrive, sick and debilitated.  We were escorted into Morehead City, cleaned her up and went for breakfast.  The boat looked like new, we did not. I would take a Cheoy Lee anywhere in the world, and, frankly, hoped to sell my 22 year old EXCALIBUR, buy a new one, and cruise her back from China myself.  Instead, I am just rebuilding her and will cruise her another 22 years if able.  They are awesome boats, built like a little ship, and for less than their competition of equal quality. Good luck in your decision making. Dan Guenther 55 Cheoy Lee LRMY Excalibur > From: passagemaking-request@lists.trawlering.com > Subject: Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 84, Issue 1 > To: passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:00:35 -0500 > > Send Passagemaking-Under-Power mailing list submissions to > passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking_lists.trawlering.com > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > passagemaking-request@lists.trawlering.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > passagemaking-owner@lists.trawlering.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Passagemaking-Under-Power digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. NOAA Chart No. 1 Updated (LAL) > 2. What boats are out there (Jonathan Haas) > 3. Re: What boats are out there (Ken Williams) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:40:20 +0200 > From: LAL <lalicata@alum.rpi.edu> > To: TrawlerList TrawlerList <passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com> > Subject: [PUP] NOAA Chart No. 1 Updated > Message-ID: <7F704670-1284-4AD1-998A-E615C2A33889@alum.rpi.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) issued an > updated version of Chart No. 1. The chart provides descriptions and > depictions of the basic nautical chart elements and symbols used on > nautical charts issued by NOAA and the National Geospatial- > Intelligence Agency (NGA). (12/8/11). > <http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/chart1/ChartNo1.pdf> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:07:09 -0600 > From: Jonathan Haas <llywinda@gmail.com> > To: passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com > Subject: [PUP] What boats are out there > Message-ID: > <CAC4Fg5WQPeQ2-LYtB3ATMpPJecz0ma_1VBFDXYwNnvGMb=bbhg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Friends: > > My wife and I are quickly narrowing down the list of boats that will be our > home for the next 10 years. We have done a lot of research and been on a > fair number of boats. All, of course, have pluses and minuses. One > question we have for the PUP list is: what types of power boats, i.e. > trawlers, do you see out there in the more distant areas - Mediterranean, > South Pacific, Aruba, South China Sea? Nordhavn's, Diesel Ducks, > Kadey-Krogens, Selenes? Any observations would be most welcome. > > Jonathan > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:57:29 -0800 > From: "Ken Williams" <ken@kensblog.com> > To: "'Jonathan Haas'" <llywinda@gmail.com>, > <passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com> > Subject: Re: [PUP] What boats are out there > Message-ID: <00e101ccb9b8$4cab2f70$e6018e50$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Jonathan, > > My wife and I have cruised a lot of "off the beaten path" places, and the > quick answer to your question is that there aren't a lot of power boats out > there doing world cruising. It's a large world and there aren't that many > trawlers out there. > > Personally, I'm biased towards Nordhavn, but only because my perception is > that they cost the most, and have the most experience in the category. > Nordhavn tracks mileage for their boats and the last I checked Nordhavns had > run over 4 million miles. I don't know the statistics, but my guess is that > well over half of all the power boats cruising in the boondocks, worldwide, > are Nordhavn. That said, most of the systems are the same between the boats > (engines, hydraulics, davits, winlasses, etc), so my guess is that any of > the brands you mentioned will get you anywhere you want to go. > > One thought for you... > > Contact the organization behind the Fubar (http://www.fubarodyssey.com ). > See if you can get the roster for their last trip to Baja. That will show > you what boats people are using for that run. Also, see if you can find the > roster for the boats that crossed the Atlantic on Nordhavn's NAR rally (it > was open to all makes.) > > If you really do believe you are destined for "out of the way" places, focus > on getting a solid boat that can withstand a lot of abuse. I won't name > names, but not all boats are made to handle the rigors of constant use in > challenging conditions. A boat that looks pretty at the dock may fall apart > when it gets bumped around a bit, or when you live on board non-stop. > > Also -- focus on "maintainable" and "simple" (some advice I probably should > have paid more attention to). > > Good luck with a tough decision! > > -Ken Williams > Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci > www.kensblog.com > > ..... > > Friends: > > My wife and I are quickly narrowing down the list of boats that will be our > home for the next 10 years. We have done a lot of research and been on a > fair number of boats. All, of course, have pluses and minuses. One > question we have for the PUP list is: what types of power boats, i.e. > trawlers, do you see out there in the more distant areas - Mediterranean, > South Pacific, Aruba, South China Sea? Nordhavn's, Diesel Ducks, > Kadey-Krogens, Selenes? Any observations would be most welcome. > > Jonathan > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List > > End of Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 84, Issue 1 > ********************************************************                         _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking_lists.trawlering.com To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions.

Highly recommend Buehler's "Troller Yacht" as good reading material. There is much more to know than can be understood from boat shows and in magazine articles. Much more. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:18 AM, John Milici <john_milici@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > Jonathan > I have a Diesel Duck 462 and my wife and I have lived on it for 6 > years. George > Buehler took a long line salmon boat hull and adapted it to a cruising > configuration. Seahorse Marine in China ( near Hong Kong) makes the > boats. > They are steel, designed for long range open ocean passage, have commercial > grade hatches and port holes, four water tight bulkheads (steel from the > bottom > of the hull to the top deck), carries approximately 1800 gallons of > diesel, is > driven by a John Deere 135 HP turbo and consumes 2.5 gal/hr at 6.5 knots. > She > is comfortable to live in. Maintenance is routine. > > We are the only East Coast Duck that was delivered to the States. Most > owners > leave from Hong Kong and sail them wherever. A smaller version (named > Diesel > Duck) went around Cape Horn. A few have been delivered to the West Coast, > usually Seattle. > > You may want to read "Troller Yacht" by Buehler in order to get another > perspective on cruising power boats, or visit the Seahorse and Buehler web > sites. Relatively speaking they are attractively priced and we find them > to be > well built. > > > We went through the Eastern Caribbean and crossed to Panama. We are > considering > a transit through the Canal then wherever suits our mood. > > John Milici > M/V Peking > Peking462@gmail.com > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Daniel Guenther <danieljamesguenther@hotmail.com> > To: passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com > Sent: Tue, December 13, 2011 10:52:02 PM > Subject: [PUP] World cruising boats > > > Jonathan, > > I have a 1988 Cheoy Lee 55' LRMY. I had it built in Hong Kong, and > imported it > myself through Baltimore. I went to the yard 9 times to watch them build > it and > eventually sea trial it in Hong Kong Harbor. The Choey Lee's are > incredible, > seemingly indestructible boats. They use solid RFP below the water line. > They > (mine at least) have 2 engines for reliability. the engine room is > standing > headroom with walk-around engines. When the boat was 2 years old we were > delivering the boat from the Abaco Islandas Bahamas, to the Chesapeake > Bay. > When apx 250 miles East of Charleston we were hit by a storm with waves > apx 30' > high. The crew did terribly, I the worst, but the boat made it. We were > actually "knocked down", apx 6 times. After keeping in touch with the > coast > guard on 2182 all night, we finally threw in the towel and answered in the > affirmative when they, for the tenth time, asked if we needed help. The > Coast > Guard sent a 180' cutter, the Navy took my two children and two women off > the > boat by helicopter, and 2 of us remained on board for the Coast Guard to > arrive, > sick and debilitated. We were escorted into Morehead City, cleaned her up > and > went for breakfast. The boat looked like new, we did not. > I would take a Cheoy Lee anywhere in the world, and, frankly, hoped to > sell my > 22 year old EXCALIBUR, buy a new one, and cruise her back from China > myself. > Instead, > > I am just rebuilding her and will cruise her another 22 years if able. > They are > awesome boats, built like a little ship, and for less than their > competition of > equal quality. > > Good luck in your decision making. > > Dan Guenther > 55 Cheoy Lee LRMY Excalibur > > > > From: passagemaking-request@lists.trawlering.com > > Subject: Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 84, Issue 1 > > To: passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com > > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:00:35 -0500 > > > > Send Passagemaking-Under-Power mailing list submissions to > > passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking_lists.trawlering.com > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > passagemaking-request@lists.trawlering.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > passagemaking-owner@lists.trawlering.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Passagemaking-Under-Power digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. NOAA Chart No. 1 Updated (LAL) > > 2. What boats are out there (Jonathan Haas) > > 3. Re: What boats are out there (Ken Williams) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:40:20 +0200 > > From: LAL <lalicata@alum.rpi.edu> > > To: TrawlerList TrawlerList <passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com> > > Subject: [PUP] NOAA Chart No. 1 Updated > > Message-ID: <7F704670-1284-4AD1-998A-E615C2A33889@alum.rpi.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > > The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) issued an > > updated version of Chart No. 1. The chart provides descriptions and > > depictions of the basic nautical chart elements and symbols used on > > nautical charts issued by NOAA and the National Geospatial- > > Intelligence Agency (NGA). (12/8/11). > > <http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/chart1/ChartNo1.pdf> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:07:09 -0600 > > From: Jonathan Haas <llywinda@gmail.com> > > To: passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com > > Subject: [PUP] What boats are out there > > Message-ID: > > <CAC4Fg5WQPeQ2-LYtB3ATMpPJecz0ma_1VBFDXYwNnvGMb=bbhg@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Friends: > > > > My wife and I are quickly narrowing down the list of boats that will be > our > > home for the next 10 years. We have done a lot of research and been on a > > fair number of boats. All, of course, have pluses and minuses. One > > question we have for the PUP list is: what types of power boats, i.e. > > trawlers, do you see out there in the more distant areas - Mediterranean, > > South Pacific, Aruba, South China Sea? Nordhavn's, Diesel Ducks, > > Kadey-Krogens, Selenes? Any observations would be most welcome. > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:57:29 -0800 > > From: "Ken Williams" <ken@kensblog.com> > > To: "'Jonathan Haas'" <llywinda@gmail.com>, > > <passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com> > > Subject: Re: [PUP] What boats are out there > > Message-ID: <00e101ccb9b8$4cab2f70$e6018e50$@com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Jonathan, > > > > My wife and I have cruised a lot of "off the beaten path" places, and the > > quick answer to your question is that there aren't a lot of power boats > out > > there doing world cruising. It's a large world and there aren't that many > > trawlers out there. > > > > Personally, I'm biased towards Nordhavn, but only because my perception > is > > that they cost the most, and have the most experience in the category. > > Nordhavn tracks mileage for their boats and the last I checked Nordhavns > had > > run over 4 million miles. I don't know the statistics, but my guess is > that > > well over half of all the power boats cruising in the boondocks, > worldwide, > > are Nordhavn. That said, most of the systems are the same between the > boats > > (engines, hydraulics, davits, winlasses, etc), so my guess is that any of > > the brands you mentioned will get you anywhere you want to go. > > > > One thought for you... > > > > Contact the organization behind the Fubar (http://www.fubarodyssey.com). > > See if you can get the roster for their last trip to Baja. That will show > > you what boats people are using for that run. Also, see if you can find > the > > roster for the boats that crossed the Atlantic on Nordhavn's NAR rally > (it > > was open to all makes.) > > > > If you really do believe you are destined for "out of the way" places, > focus > > on getting a solid boat that can withstand a lot of abuse. I won't name > > names, but not all boats are made to handle the rigors of constant use in > > challenging conditions. A boat that looks pretty at the dock may fall > apart > > when it gets bumped around a bit, or when you live on board non-stop. > > > > Also -- focus on "maintainable" and "simple" (some advice I probably > should > > have paid more attention to). > > > > Good luck with a tough decision! > > > > -Ken Williams > > Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci > > www.kensblog.com > > > > ..... > > > > Friends: > > > > My wife and I are quickly narrowing down the list of boats that will be > our > > home for the next 10 years. We have done a lot of research and been on a > > fair number of boats. All, of course, have pluses and minuses. One > > question we have for the PUP list is: what types of power boats, i.e. > > trawlers, do you see out there in the more distant areas - Mediterranean, > > South Pacific, Aruba, South China Sea? Nordhavn's, Diesel Ducks, > > Kadey-Krogens, Selenes? Any observations would be most welcome. > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List > > > > End of Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 84, Issue 1 > > ******************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking_lists.trawlering.com > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > Productions. > _______________________________________________ > > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking_lists.trawlering.com > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > Productions. > > -- Michael T. 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