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capnrich31@home.com
Sat, Apr 21, 2001 5:09 AM

I carry a sump pump that I bought in a hardware store as an emergency pump.

It's 110v but I have a generator so unless the generator is dead I can use
it.

I checked out the pumps at Home Depot and Lowes thinking the same thing.
About $135 gets you a pump with a handle on the top 1 1/2" or even 2"
outlet. Then I checked West Marine and was surprised to see a 6000 GPH DC
pump with a 2" outlet for about the same price. The DC pump is shorter,
enough that it would fit under my floor panels without having to cut an
access hole.

The pros and cons as I see 'em:
DC pro: neater install, same cost, same capacity,
DC con: less effective run time as compared to inverter run AC because
inverter will give me 120VAC right down to 10VDC while at 10VDC the DC pump
is not doing much.

AC pro: not permanent unless hardwired in, Can use in emergency anywhere AC
outlet or on extension cord
AC con: larger, heavier

Please add to the list....
Richard


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>I carry a sump pump that I bought in a hardware store as an emergency pump. It's 110v but I have a generator so unless the generator is dead I can use it. I checked out the pumps at Home Depot and Lowes thinking the same thing. About $135 gets you a pump with a handle on the top 1 1/2" or even 2" outlet. Then I checked West Marine and was surprised to see a 6000 GPH DC pump with a 2" outlet for about the same price. The DC pump is shorter, enough that it would fit under my floor panels without having to cut an access hole. The pros and cons as I see 'em: DC pro: neater install, same cost, same capacity, DC con: less *effective* run time as compared to inverter run AC because inverter will give me 120VAC right down to 10VDC while at 10VDC the DC pump is not doing much. AC pro: not permanent unless hardwired in, Can use in emergency anywhere AC outlet or on extension cord AC con: larger, heavier Please add to the list.... Richard --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.241 / Virus Database: 117 - Release Date: 3/27/01
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fburrows@mail.com
Sat, Apr 21, 2001 2:16 PM

I also carry a 110volt sump pump but it has another purpose. In the
Chesapeake there are some summers that the sea nettles are so bad in
certain areas that they clog up strainers every 15 minutes. I cheap easy
work around is to take a 5 gallon bucket and drill 1/4" holes every inch or
so all over the sides and bottom. Then suspend the bucket over the side on
a light line so the top is a couple of inches out of the water. Then with
another line suspend the sump pump inside the bucket so it sits a couple of
inches off the bottom.

Then a hose from the sump pump through a hose fitting in the side of the
boat to feed the a/c units with cooling water. You can run the hose through
the window but a hose fitting looks a lot nicer. Just disconnect the juice
to the a/c pump and unhook the outbut hose from the pump and hook it to the
hose from the bucket. Each of the many holes in the bucket allows a small
amount of water to enter and the nettles just come right to the bucket but
there is not enough turbulence to suck them in.

I have only had to use the bucket three times in 10 years but each time it
was so hot that you did not want to do without A/C and going down into a
hot bilge to clean the strainer was getting old. Obviously it doesn't work
underway but is fine at anchor or at a marina. For storage the pump, hose,
extension cord all store in the bucket and it is ready to go whenever you
need it and of course you have a back up pump for the a/c or any dewatering
job.

Frank Burrows  1979 43 Viking  Piney Narrows Chesapeake

At 10:09 PM 4/20/2001 -0700, you wrote:

I carry a sump pump that I bought in a hardware store as an emergency pump.

It's 110v but I have a generator so unless the generator is dead I can use
it.

AC pro: not permanent unless hardwired in, Can use in emergency anywhere AC
outlet or on extension cord
AC con: larger, heavier

I also carry a 110volt sump pump but it has another purpose. In the Chesapeake there are some summers that the sea nettles are so bad in certain areas that they clog up strainers every 15 minutes. I cheap easy work around is to take a 5 gallon bucket and drill 1/4" holes every inch or so all over the sides and bottom. Then suspend the bucket over the side on a light line so the top is a couple of inches out of the water. Then with another line suspend the sump pump inside the bucket so it sits a couple of inches off the bottom. Then a hose from the sump pump through a hose fitting in the side of the boat to feed the a/c units with cooling water. You can run the hose through the window but a hose fitting looks a lot nicer. Just disconnect the juice to the a/c pump and unhook the outbut hose from the pump and hook it to the hose from the bucket. Each of the many holes in the bucket allows a small amount of water to enter and the nettles just come right to the bucket but there is not enough turbulence to suck them in. I have only had to use the bucket three times in 10 years but each time it was so hot that you did not want to do without A/C and going down into a hot bilge to clean the strainer was getting old. Obviously it doesn't work underway but is fine at anchor or at a marina. For storage the pump, hose, extension cord all store in the bucket and it is ready to go whenever you need it and of course you have a back up pump for the a/c or any dewatering job. Frank Burrows 1979 43 Viking Piney Narrows Chesapeake At 10:09 PM 4/20/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > >I carry a sump pump that I bought in a hardware store as an emergency pump. >It's 110v but I have a generator so unless the generator is dead I can use >it. > >AC pro: not permanent unless hardwired in, Can use in emergency anywhere AC >outlet or on extension cord >AC con: larger, heavier
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shaunsweeney@telus.net
Sun, Apr 22, 2001 4:15 AM

My sump pump cost about $87.00 CDN (which is peanuts $US) and is permenantly
installed.  It comes complete wt a float switch so I won't have to be around
to activate it in case of emergency.

Shaun aboard Rana III

My sump pump cost about $87.00 CDN (which is peanuts $US) and is permenantly installed. It comes complete wt a float switch so I won't have to be around to activate it in case of emergency. Shaun aboard Rana III
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samakijoe@mediaone.net
Sun, Apr 22, 2001 1:05 PM

At 09:15 PM 04/21/2001 -0700, Shaun Sweeney wrote:

My sump pump cost about $87.00 CDN (which is peanuts $US) and is permenantly
installed.  It comes complete wt a float switch so I won't have to be around
to activate it in case of emergency.

Shaun aboard Rana III

I tryed to install one of those not too long ago, had to return it.  Seems
the hose (run) was so long that each time the switch turned to pump off,
the water in the hose came back down and turned the pump back on.  Ended up
install one of those "computer controlled" types.  Works fine...jd
Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray
36' Prairie  DC "SAMAKI"
soon to be renamed..??..
Pompano Beach, Fl.

At 09:15 PM 04/21/2001 -0700, Shaun Sweeney wrote: >My sump pump cost about $87.00 CDN (which is peanuts $US) and is permenantly >installed. It comes complete wt a float switch so I won't have to be around >to activate it in case of emergency. > >Shaun aboard Rana III > I tryed to install one of those not too long ago, had to return it. Seems the hose (run) was so long that each time the switch turned to pump off, the water in the hose came back down and turned the pump back on. Ended up install one of those "computer controlled" types. Works fine...jd Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray 36' Prairie DC "SAMAKI" soon to be renamed..??.. Pompano Beach, Fl.
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shaunsweeney@telus.net
Mon, Apr 23, 2001 3:29 PM

I had the same problem till I installed the one way valve that is sold for
these pumps.  I suppose the water eventually seeps back in but it seems to
work.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe DellaFera" samakijoe@mediaone.net
To: "Shaun Sweeney" shaunsweeney@telus.net;
trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: TWL: Re: Re: Pumps

At 09:15 PM 04/21/2001 -0700, Shaun Sweeney wrote:

My sump pump cost about $87.00 CDN (which is peanuts $US) and is

permenantly

installed.  It comes complete wt a float switch so I won't have to be

around

to activate it in case of emergency.

Shaun aboard Rana III

I tryed to install one of those not too long ago, had to return it.  Seems
the hose (run) was so long that each time the switch turned to pump off,
the water in the hose came back down and turned the pump back on.  Ended

up

install one of those "computer controlled" types.  Works fine...jd
Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray
36' Prairie  DC "SAMAKI"
soon to be renamed..??..
Pompano Beach, Fl.

I had the same problem till I installed the one way valve that is sold for these pumps. I suppose the water eventually seeps back in but it seems to work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe DellaFera" <samakijoe@mediaone.net> To: "Shaun Sweeney" <shaunsweeney@telus.net>; <trawler-world-list@samurai.com> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 6:05 AM Subject: Re: TWL: Re: Re: Pumps > At 09:15 PM 04/21/2001 -0700, Shaun Sweeney wrote: > >My sump pump cost about $87.00 CDN (which is peanuts $US) and is permenantly > >installed. It comes complete wt a float switch so I won't have to be around > >to activate it in case of emergency. > > > >Shaun aboard Rana III > > > I tryed to install one of those not too long ago, had to return it. Seems > the hose (run) was so long that each time the switch turned to pump off, > the water in the hose came back down and turned the pump back on. Ended up > install one of those "computer controlled" types. Works fine...jd > Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray > 36' Prairie DC "SAMAKI" > soon to be renamed..??.. > Pompano Beach, Fl. >