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Splitting the Signal of a USB GPS

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Garrett Lambert
Thu, Feb 26, 2009 3:10 AM

I want to use two navigation laptops. I have a Holux USB GPS. Can I
split the signal to feed both laptops and if so, how?

(It's about saving clutter rather than $75.)

Cheers, Garrett

I want to use two navigation laptops. I have a Holux USB GPS. Can I split the signal to feed both laptops and if so, how? (It's about saving clutter rather than $75.) Cheers, Garrett
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Chuck and Susan
Thu, Feb 26, 2009 3:22 AM

Garrett, You will probably need an NMEA multiplexer that will allow you to
have the GPS in to more than one NMEA out for your computers. Chuck

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--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Garrett Lambert garrett.lambert@gmail.com wrote:

I want to use two navigation laptops. I have a Holux USB GPS. Can I
split the signal to feed both laptops and if so, how?

(It's about saving clutter rather than $75.)

Cheers, Garrett

Garrett, You will probably need an NMEA multiplexer that will allow you to have the GPS in to more than one NMEA out for your computers. Chuck To follow our adventures, go to http://trawler-beach-house.blogspot.com/ http://sea-trek.blogspot.com/ --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Garrett Lambert <garrett.lambert@gmail.com> wrote: I want to use two navigation laptops. I have a Holux USB GPS. Can I split the signal to feed both laptops and if so, how? (It's about saving clutter rather than $75.) Cheers, Garrett
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Michael
Thu, Feb 26, 2009 4:50 AM

If you are brave (or foolhardy) and good with a soldering iron you can
make a Y cable.  Most usb cables have a white, green, red, and black
wire.  The better ones will have a separate shield.  The white wire and
the green wire are signal the red is +5 volts and the black is ground.
Cut one cable and attach the whites together and the greens together.
Don't connect the reds but the black and/or shield can also be
connected.  You should have the white and green wires from the gps going
to each computer, only one computer should be feeding +5 volts to the
gps and the grounds can be hooked together though the black wires.

In most good computers the usb circuits can handle wiring problems
without permanent damage, if it doesn't work unplug everything and
double check.  For additional buffering you can hook your Y cable
through a usb hub on each computer.

This assumes that your gps has enough power to supply signal to two
computers.  It should if your cables are not too long.  I wouldn't try
for more than two.

The best way to do it is with a nema multiplexer but this is the
cheapskates way.

Mike

Garrett Lambert wrote:

I want to use two navigation laptops. I have a Holux USB GPS. Can I
split the signal to feed both laptops and if so, how?

(It's about saving clutter rather than $75.)

Cheers, Garrett


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If you are brave (or foolhardy) and good with a soldering iron you can make a Y cable. Most usb cables have a white, green, red, and black wire. The better ones will have a separate shield. The white wire and the green wire are signal the red is +5 volts and the black is ground. Cut one cable and attach the whites together and the greens together. Don't connect the reds but the black and/or shield can also be connected. You should have the white and green wires from the gps going to each computer, only one computer should be feeding +5 volts to the gps and the grounds can be hooked together though the black wires. In most good computers the usb circuits can handle wiring problems without permanent damage, if it doesn't work unplug everything and double check. For additional buffering you can hook your Y cable through a usb hub on each computer. This assumes that your gps has enough power to supply signal to two computers. It should if your cables are not too long. I wouldn't try for more than two. The best way to do it is with a nema multiplexer but this is the cheapskates way. Mike Garrett Lambert wrote: > I want to use two navigation laptops. I have a Holux USB GPS. Can I > split the signal to feed both laptops and if so, how? > > (It's about saving clutter rather than $75.) > > Cheers, Garrett > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change email address, etc) go to: http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/trawlers-and-trawlering > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.
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Peter Bennett
Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:35 AM

Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 8:50:09 PM, Michael wrote:

M> If you are brave (or foolhardy) and good with a soldering iron you can
M> make a Y cable.  Most usb cables have a white, green, red, and black
M> wire.  The better ones will have a separate shield.  The white wire and
M> the green wire are signal the red is +5 volts and the black is ground.
M> Cut one cable and attach the whites together and the greens together.
M> Don't connect the reds but the black and/or shield can also be
M> connected.  You should have the white and green wires from the gps going
M> to each computer, only one computer should be feeding +5 volts to the
M> gps and the grounds can be hooked together though the black wires.

I don't believe this will work. USB is a complex master/slave
communications protocol, with the computer being a master, and
everything else being a slave.  Your suggested Y-cord will have two
masters trying to communicate with the same slave.  It is highly
unlikely that either computer will communicate successfully with the
GPS, and the arrangement may mess up other USB communications on both
computers.

--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI    Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Ennos 31 "Honeycomb"
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca

Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 8:50:09 PM, Michael wrote: M> If you are brave (or foolhardy) and good with a soldering iron you can M> make a Y cable. Most usb cables have a white, green, red, and black M> wire. The better ones will have a separate shield. The white wire and M> the green wire are signal the red is +5 volts and the black is ground. M> Cut one cable and attach the whites together and the greens together. M> Don't connect the reds but the black and/or shield can also be M> connected. You should have the white and green wires from the gps going M> to each computer, only one computer should be feeding +5 volts to the M> gps and the grounds can be hooked together though the black wires. I don't believe this will work. USB is a complex master/slave communications protocol, with the computer being a master, and everything else being a slave. Your suggested Y-cord will have two masters trying to communicate with the same slave. It is highly unlikely that either computer will communicate successfully with the GPS, and the arrangement may mess up other USB communications on both computers. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI Vancouver, B.C., Canada Ennos 31 "Honeycomb" GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
SH
Scott H.E. Welch
Thu, Feb 26, 2009 2:40 PM

Garrett Lambert garrett.lambert@gmail.com writes:

I want to use two navigation laptops. I have a Holux USB GPS. Can I
split the signal to feed both laptops and if so, how?

You can't "split" a USB signal in this way, because USB is a bidirectional
protocol. This is very unlike the older NMEA 0183 serial protocol, which may
be easily split. To do what you want you will need some software on the
machine with the GPS that will send the incoming USB GPS data out another
port (typically a serial port). The good news is that almost all nav software
allows you to do this, because this is how you send GPS data from the nav
program to your autopilot.

By the way, that's the technical answer. You can do it this way an make it
work. But I would definitely go with a second GPS, in fact that's what I do
on my boat. The primary GPS feeds the primary nav computer, which runs
Nobeltec VNS 9 and feeds the primary autopilot via NMEA 0183. The laptop runs
VNS 8 (because that does not need a dongle) and uses a $39 USB puck-style
GPS. The backup autopilot is fed from a third GPS via NMEA 0183, which also
feeds the VHF radios through a simple splitter.

Scott Welch
Product Manager, Open Text Collaboration Solutions Group
www.firstclass.com

"Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn
out." - John Wooden

Garrett Lambert <garrett.lambert@gmail.com> writes: >I want to use two navigation laptops. I have a Holux USB GPS. Can I >split the signal to feed both laptops and if so, how? You can't "split" a USB signal in this way, because USB is a bidirectional protocol. This is very unlike the older NMEA 0183 serial protocol, which may be easily split. To do what you want you will need some software on the machine with the GPS that will send the incoming USB GPS data out another port (typically a serial port). The good news is that almost all nav software allows you to do this, because this is how you send GPS data from the nav program to your autopilot. By the way, that's the technical answer. You can do it this way an make it work. But I would *definitely* go with a second GPS, in fact that's what I do on my boat. The primary GPS feeds the primary nav computer, which runs Nobeltec VNS 9 and feeds the primary autopilot via NMEA 0183. The laptop runs VNS 8 (because that does not need a dongle) and uses a $39 USB puck-style GPS. The backup autopilot is fed from a third GPS via NMEA 0183, which also feeds the VHF radios through a simple splitter. Scott Welch Product Manager, Open Text Collaboration Solutions Group www.firstclass.com "Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out." - John Wooden
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Michael
Thu, Feb 26, 2009 4:43 PM

You may be right but the hockey puck type of gps is just a talker and
usually has no provision for inputing data from the cpu.  I think it
would be worth a try if you had a couple extra cables.  I once got a gps
to work with a computer by manually connecting the signal leads from a
usb gps to the appropriate inputs in a serial cable.  It's not rocket
science... oh, wait, it is.  :-)

Mike

Peter Bennett wrote:

Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 8:50:09 PM, Michael wrote:

M> If you are brave (or foolhardy) and good with a soldering iron you can
M> make a Y cable.  Most usb cables have a white, green, red, and black
M> wire.  The better ones will have a separate shield.  The white wire and
M> the green wire are signal the red is +5 volts and the black is ground.
M> Cut one cable and attach the whites together and the greens together.
M> Don't connect the reds but the black and/or shield can also be
M> connected.  You should have the white and green wires from the gps going
M> to each computer, only one computer should be feeding +5 volts to the
M> gps and the grounds can be hooked together though the black wires.

I don't believe this will work. USB is a complex master/slave
communications protocol, with the computer being a master, and
everything else being a slave.  Your suggested Y-cord will have two
masters trying to communicate with the same slave.  It is highly
unlikely that either computer will communicate successfully with the
GPS, and the arrangement may mess up other USB communications on both
computers.

You may be right but the hockey puck type of gps is just a talker and usually has no provision for inputing data from the cpu. I think it would be worth a try if you had a couple extra cables. I once got a gps to work with a computer by manually connecting the signal leads from a usb gps to the appropriate inputs in a serial cable. It's not rocket science... oh, wait, it is. :-) Mike Peter Bennett wrote: > Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 8:50:09 PM, Michael wrote: > > M> If you are brave (or foolhardy) and good with a soldering iron you can > M> make a Y cable. Most usb cables have a white, green, red, and black > M> wire. The better ones will have a separate shield. The white wire and > M> the green wire are signal the red is +5 volts and the black is ground. > M> Cut one cable and attach the whites together and the greens together. > M> Don't connect the reds but the black and/or shield can also be > M> connected. You should have the white and green wires from the gps going > M> to each computer, only one computer should be feeding +5 volts to the > M> gps and the grounds can be hooked together though the black wires. > > I don't believe this will work. USB is a complex master/slave > communications protocol, with the computer being a master, and > everything else being a slave. Your suggested Y-cord will have two > masters trying to communicate with the same slave. It is highly > unlikely that either computer will communicate successfully with the > GPS, and the arrangement may mess up other USB communications on both > computers.
PB
Peter Bennett
Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:42 PM

While it is true that a GPS receiver is "just a talker", the USB
protocol requires the master (the computer) to ask the slave (GPS,
keyboard, mouse, whatever) if it has any data, and to send that data.

Cutting up two cables so you could try having two computers work with
one GPS would be an unnecessary sacrifice of two cables.

Since the USB protocol is completely unlike the normal RS-232 serial
protocol, I suspect that the GPS receiver you mention below must have
had both USB and NMEA serial interfaces.

Thursday, February 26, 2009, 8:43:06 AM, Michael wrote:

M> You may be right but the hockey puck type of gps is just a talker and
M> usually has no provision for inputing data from the cpu.  I think it
M> would be worth a try if you had a couple extra cables.  I once got a gps
M> to work with a computer by manually connecting the signal leads from a
M> usb gps to the appropriate inputs in a serial cable.  It's not rocket
M> science... oh, wait, it is.  :-)

M> Mike

M> Peter Bennett wrote:

Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 8:50:09 PM, Michael wrote:

M> If you are brave (or foolhardy) and good with a soldering iron you can
M> make a Y cable.  Most usb cables have a white, green, red, and black
M> wire.  The better ones will have a separate shield.  The white wire and
M> the green wire are signal the red is +5 volts and the black is ground.
M> Cut one cable and attach the whites together and the greens together.
M> Don't connect the reds but the black and/or shield can also be
M> connected.  You should have the white and green wires from the gps going
M> to each computer, only one computer should be feeding +5 volts to the
M> gps and the grounds can be hooked together though the black wires.

I don't believe this will work. USB is a complex master/slave
communications protocol, with the computer being a master, and
everything else being a slave.  Your suggested Y-cord will have two
masters trying to communicate with the same slave.  It is highly
unlikely that either computer will communicate successfully with the
GPS, and the arrangement may mess up other USB communications on both
computers.

--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI    Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Ennos 31 "Honeycomb"
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca

While it is true that a GPS receiver is "just a talker", the USB protocol requires the master (the computer) to ask the slave (GPS, keyboard, mouse, whatever) if it has any data, and to send that data. Cutting up two cables so you could try having two computers work with one GPS would be an unnecessary sacrifice of two cables. Since the USB protocol is completely unlike the normal RS-232 serial protocol, I suspect that the GPS receiver you mention below must have had both USB and NMEA serial interfaces. Thursday, February 26, 2009, 8:43:06 AM, Michael wrote: M> You may be right but the hockey puck type of gps is just a talker and M> usually has no provision for inputing data from the cpu. I think it M> would be worth a try if you had a couple extra cables. I once got a gps M> to work with a computer by manually connecting the signal leads from a M> usb gps to the appropriate inputs in a serial cable. It's not rocket M> science... oh, wait, it is. :-) M> Mike M> Peter Bennett wrote: >> Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 8:50:09 PM, Michael wrote: >> >> M> If you are brave (or foolhardy) and good with a soldering iron you can >> M> make a Y cable. Most usb cables have a white, green, red, and black >> M> wire. The better ones will have a separate shield. The white wire and >> M> the green wire are signal the red is +5 volts and the black is ground. >> M> Cut one cable and attach the whites together and the greens together. >> M> Don't connect the reds but the black and/or shield can also be >> M> connected. You should have the white and green wires from the gps going >> M> to each computer, only one computer should be feeding +5 volts to the >> M> gps and the grounds can be hooked together though the black wires. >> >> I don't believe this will work. USB is a complex master/slave >> communications protocol, with the computer being a master, and >> everything else being a slave. Your suggested Y-cord will have two >> masters trying to communicate with the same slave. It is highly >> unlikely that either computer will communicate successfully with the >> GPS, and the arrangement may mess up other USB communications on both >> computers. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI Vancouver, B.C., Canada Ennos 31 "Honeycomb" GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca