If that is not time-nutty, I do not know what will :)

On Jun 20, 2017 7:04 AM, "jimlux" jimlux@earthlink.net wrote:

On 6/20/17 5:11 AM, Didier Juges wrote:

if you're a "real time-nut" you drill your own holes - you buy a surplus
drilling rig, refurbish it, figure out how to work it (maybe there's a
"drill-nuts" list?), etc.

But at least the station will probably fit in your backyard.

It was bright sunshine and 46 degrees C here in the desert near Tucson, Arizona
yesterday.  It would take a lot of cooling to keep that solar collector (radome)
cool.

Wes Stewart

On 6/19/2017 9:42 PM, Thorbjørn Pedersen wrote:

LOL!!!  My first reaction to reading the drill for sub-subterranean GPS
mast was...

Wonder if I could borrow Shappell's little drilling rig to do THAT hole
and the vertical wells for the geo-thermal cooling loops?

Followed closely by...

Wonder what kind and number of Sorbothan, et al. dampers required to
damp the locally generated vibrations that would resonate in that length
"tuning fork" hooked to the bedrock?

<big grin>  Even we non-scientists on this reflector reserve the right
to be equally nutty.  <wink>

PS - I have a master map of my back yard in order to manage the
available square footage and its use and to de-conflict the
sub-subterranean "air space".

Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/20/2017 7:21 AM, jimlux wrote:

Since 1cm of motion is equivalent to 30ps, there's probably not

On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 at 10:11 pm, Didier Juges shalimr9@gmail.com wrote:

Try again ...,

Since 1cm of motion is equivalent to 30 ps, there's probably not much point
in putting your GNSS antenna on a geodetic monument if all you care about
is timing. But it does matter if you're trying to track continental drift.

Michael

On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 at 10:44 pm, Michael Wouters michaeljwouters@gmail.com
wrote:

Hi Thorbjörn,

To bad this particula antenna has surrounding buildings (and maybe trees)
that mask low elevation satellites.

--

Björn

I thought there was kind of a rule about EXCLUDING sats on or near the
horizon...

Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/20/2017 8:27 AM, "Björn Gabrielsson" wrote:

Hi Bryan:

The first data on tectonic plate movement came from the Latitude Observatories.  The Longitude problem was solved fairly
quickly by Harrison's clocks but the uncertainty of an observatories latitude because of wobble of the pole took much
longer and was addressed by a hand full of Latitude Observatories all at 39 deg 8 min North, and I'm lucky to have one
in my town.
http://www.prc68.com/I/UkiahObs.shtml
Note this is more like an extremely accurate surveying instrument than a telescope for star watching.  We will be having
star parties since it's summer and the sky here is dark enough to see the Milky way.

--
Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html

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On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 13:29:24 -0700
Brooke Clarke brooke@pacific.net wrote:

The first "proofs" for plate tectonics were not related to ranging
and movement at all. They were based on evidence burried in the ground:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Geophys/platevid.html

I don't know when the first proof using longitude measurments was made,
but it must have been fairly recent (i'd say last 100 years at most)
as pretty stable clocks were needed. Probably at least quartz
or maybe even atomic clocks.

Modern tectonic movement measurements are mostly based on GPS.
Even using a simple L1 C/A only receiver, one can achieve sub-cm
accuracy if phase data is recorded over several hours and post-processed.
Using an L1/L2 receiver, compensating for all those "tiny" effects
and averaging over a few days should result in sub-mm differences over
quite long baselines.

Side note:
Solid earth tides are in the order of 20-50cm vertical and 10-30cm horizontal.
(if i remember correctly)

These telescopes are called zenith telescopes and could only be moved
in one plane. This telescope is transit instrument and the modern version
of the mural circle. Transit instruments are used to measure when a star
passes through the north-south line/plane. This can then be used to
define local time. The modern variants of the zenith telescopes are used
by the IERS to measure siderial time and compare it to TAI/UTC.
The transit instruments in Greenwich defined the 0 meridian. Hence
every time the instrument got upgraded by a better one, the meridian
moved a bit.

One thing I still haven't understood is, how these transit instruments
were "calibrated" and placed exactly on a north-south line.

Definitely!

		Attila Kinali

--
You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.
They don't alters their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to
fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the
facts that needs altering.  -- The Doctor

Hi Attila:

I have a web page devoted to finding true North.
http://www.prc68.com/I/North.shtml

There are many ways.  Here's on that uses the north star.

The first step is to sight the North Star (assuming you are in the Northern hemisphere.
But the North star currently is at:
dec: +89°15' 51"
R.A.: 2h 31m 49s

This means that when the sidereal time is 2h 31m 49s it's exactly North and then again after 12:00:00 hours sidereal
time pass it's again exactly North.  Any star can be used with this method, but the closer the star is to 90 deg dec
the better from a geometry perspective.

--
Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html