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Re: Power supply buzzing in HP 58503A GPS receiver

CQ
Chris Quayle
Wed, Sep 27, 2023 5:41 PM

Recently brought home 58503, cheap at industrial auction.

The power supply was faulty, seriously burnt  pcb area around
the line input circuit. Fixed that and put back together.

The psu runs very hot in the 58503, no fan cooling, so not
surprised it eventually failed. There is a design fault,
in that there is wirewound dropping resistor at the line input,
one assumes to lose volts to support the full range of input
line voltages. Perhaps originally a 115v psu, but hacked to
support a higher range of voltages. Anyway, that resistor
gets >100C and is placed right next to the input reservoir
capacitor. To improve reliability, bought in a TO220 film
resistor, mounted to the side of the case, which takes some of
the heat away from the input cap. The psu runs quite a  bit
cooler overall now. Long term, will probably find a more modern
equivalent psu, as the original is marginal, design wise...

Chris

Recently brought home 58503, cheap at industrial auction. The power supply was faulty, seriously burnt pcb area around the line input circuit. Fixed that and put back together. The psu runs very hot in the 58503, no fan cooling, so not surprised it eventually failed. There is a design fault, in that there is wirewound dropping resistor at the line input, one assumes to lose volts to support the full range of input line voltages. Perhaps originally a 115v psu, but hacked to support a higher range of voltages. Anyway, that resistor gets >100C and is placed right next to the input reservoir capacitor. To improve reliability, bought in a TO220 film resistor, mounted to the side of the case, which takes some of the heat away from the input cap. The psu runs quite a bit cooler overall now. Long term, will probably find a more modern equivalent psu, as the original is marginal, design wise... Chris
CQ
Chris Quayle
Wed, Sep 27, 2023 6:24 PM

Thought the following might be of interest:

 Symmetricom Netclock/IRIG 9383. Modify for GPS Input
 ----------------------------------------------------

 Modification Notes: Chris Quayle, 03-September 2023
 ---------------------------------------------------
  • From a photo, able to identify the gps module in use,
    a Trimble Resolution T

  • Replace IRIG card with Trimble Resolution T gps module
    (See below)

  • Firmware is on 256 Mb CF card, Vile Linux 2.6.15 Ext3
    file system

  • Card into laptop, Suse Linux 11.4 here

    • image the card
      "dd if=... of=9383.img bs=1m"
    • Mount on /mnt
    • chroot to /mnt, to reset root password
    • Rewite edited image using dd to 512mb card, as
      original is slightly greater than 256mb. Verify
      it still boots and reaches login prompt.
  • Reboot system, login as root via internal
    keyboard and vga port

  • In /etc/ssh/sshd_config
    PermitRootLogin yes

  • Reboot, login as root from remote, "ssh root@192.9.200.170"

  • Dig around the system, (no 'more' on this box :(, then:

  • cd /etc/ntp

  • cat ntp.conf, looks ok
    restrict 127.0.0.1
    restrict -4 default noquery nomodify
    restrict -6 default noquery nomodify
    keys /etc/ntp/keys/ntp.keys
    controlkey 65533
    requestkey 65534
    trustedkey 65533 65534
    server 127.127.1.0  Clock (LOCAL)
    fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 15
    enable pps
    server 127.127.45.0 prefer  PCI
    server 127.127.22.0 minpoll 4 maxpoll 4Discipline
    fudge 127.127.22.0 stratum 0
    keysdir /etc/ntp/keys/
    driftfile /etc/ntp/ntp.drift
    logfile /opt/log/ntp.log
    statsdir /opt/log/ntpstats/
    statistics loopstats peerstats clockstats
    filegen loopstats  file loopstats  type day enable
    filegen peerstats  file peerstats  type day enable
    filegen clockstats file clockstats type day enable

  • login to command line interface
    cd /opt/usr/bin
    cli

    Welcome to the Spectracom Command Line Interface
    (c)Copyright Spectracom Corporation 2006

  • root@192.9.200.170 > help
    Command line interface (CLI) help.
    Type 'help cmd' for a detailed help on the 'cmd' command.
    The following are the available commands.
    time    - time
    reboot  - reboot
    halt    - halt
    log      - log COMMAND OBJECT [ HANDLE ]
    option  - option COMMAND [OPTION | PRODUCT] [VALUE]
    ltc      - ltc COMMAND [INDEX | NAME] [...]
    clean    - clean [restart | halt]
    net      - net COMMAND [Arguments]
    disc    - disc COMMAND ARG
    sys      - sys COMMAND [Arguments]
    photo    - photo COMMAND [Arguments]
    ser      - ser COMMAND SERIAL [Arguments]
    rem      - rem COMMAND REMOTE [Arguments]
    sernum  - sernum COMMAND
    irig    - irig COMMAND ARG
    show    - show [on | off]
    frq      - frq COMMAND INDEX [Arguments]

  • root@192.9.200.170 > option display
    Product Name: 9383

       Security               : on
       Modem                  : off
       Serial Port 1          : on
       Serial Port 2          : on
       Remote Port 1          : on
       Remote Port 2          : on
       IRIG Output            : on
       Front Panel Display    : on
       Relays                 : on
       Oscillator Disciplining: on
       10 MHz Frequency Output: on
       IRIG Input             : on
       Oscillator             : TCXO
       Gps Receiver           : NONE
       Board                  : NONE
    
  • Try setting defaults ???

  • root@192.9.200.170 > option default
    Default options restored for: 9383

  • root@192.9.200.170 > option display
    Product Name: 9383

       Security               : on
       Modem                  : off
       Serial Port 1          : on
       Serial Port 2          : on
       Remote Port 1          : on
       Remote Port 2          : on
       IRIG Output            : on
       Front Panel Display    : on
       Relays                 : on
       Oscillator Disciplining: on
       10 MHz Frequency Output: on
       IRIG Input             : off
       Oscillator             : TCXO
       Gps Receiver           : Trimble Resolution T
       Board                  : NONE
    

Looks like default config is for a gps  reference,
not IRIG

  • GPS Modules

    Dump the application: od -S 5 usr/bin/hs92XX
    looking for gps module references, we find:

    Motorola Oncore M12+ Timing
    Motorola M12M Timing
    Motorola M12M Navigation
    Trimble Resolution T
    Trimble Force-22 SAASM

    So, looks like quite a choice.

Had thought the IRIG and GPS types might need a
different firmware load, but there were entries
early on in log files which suggested an initial
default to a gps install, with IRIG being an
option set at build time. Anyway was able to
identify the GPS module in use from pics from
another time-nuts member, with thanks.
Found online and all seems to work, with good
timing accuracy, though suspect would be better
with a more stable oscillator. Good enough for ntp
use though.

A useful addition to the time & frequency
collection...

Chris

Thought the following might be of interest: Symmetricom Netclock/IRIG 9383. Modify for GPS Input ---------------------------------------------------- Modification Notes: Chris Quayle, 03-September 2023 --------------------------------------------------- * From a photo, able to identify the gps module in use, a Trimble Resolution T * Replace IRIG card with Trimble Resolution T gps module (See below) * Firmware is on 256 Mb CF card, Vile Linux 2.6.15 Ext3 file system * Card into laptop, Suse Linux 11.4 here * image the card "dd if=... of=9383.img bs=1m" * Mount on /mnt * chroot to /mnt, to reset root password * Rewite edited image using dd to 512mb card, as original is slightly greater than 256mb. Verify it still boots and reaches login prompt. * Reboot system, login as root via internal keyboard and vga port * In /etc/ssh/sshd_config PermitRootLogin yes * Reboot, login as root from remote, "ssh root@192.9.200.170" * Dig around the system, (no 'more' on this box :(, then: * cd /etc/ntp * cat ntp.conf, looks ok restrict 127.0.0.1 restrict -4 default noquery nomodify restrict -6 default noquery nomodify keys /etc/ntp/keys/ntp.keys controlkey 65533 requestkey 65534 trustedkey 65533 65534 server 127.127.1.0 Clock (LOCAL) fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 15 enable pps server 127.127.45.0 prefer PCI server 127.127.22.0 minpoll 4 maxpoll 4Discipline fudge 127.127.22.0 stratum 0 keysdir /etc/ntp/keys/ driftfile /etc/ntp/ntp.drift logfile /opt/log/ntp.log statsdir /opt/log/ntpstats/ statistics loopstats peerstats clockstats filegen loopstats file loopstats type day enable filegen peerstats file peerstats type day enable filegen clockstats file clockstats type day enable * login to command line interface cd /opt/usr/bin cli Welcome to the Spectracom Command Line Interface (c)Copyright Spectracom Corporation 2006 * root@192.9.200.170 > help Command line interface (CLI) help. Type 'help cmd' for a detailed help on the 'cmd' command. The following are the available commands. time - time reboot - reboot halt - halt log - log COMMAND OBJECT [ HANDLE ] option - option COMMAND [OPTION | PRODUCT] [VALUE] ltc - ltc COMMAND [INDEX | NAME] [...] clean - clean [restart | halt] net - net COMMAND [Arguments] disc - disc COMMAND ARG sys - sys COMMAND [Arguments] photo - photo COMMAND [Arguments] ser - ser COMMAND SERIAL [Arguments] rem - rem COMMAND REMOTE [Arguments] sernum - sernum COMMAND irig - irig COMMAND ARG show - show [on | off] frq - frq COMMAND INDEX [Arguments] * root@192.9.200.170 > option display Product Name: 9383 Security : on Modem : off Serial Port 1 : on Serial Port 2 : on Remote Port 1 : on Remote Port 2 : on IRIG Output : on Front Panel Display : on Relays : on Oscillator Disciplining: on 10 MHz Frequency Output: on IRIG Input : on Oscillator : TCXO Gps Receiver : NONE Board : NONE * Try setting defaults ??? * root@192.9.200.170 > option default Default options restored for: 9383 * root@192.9.200.170 > option display Product Name: 9383 Security : on Modem : off Serial Port 1 : on Serial Port 2 : on Remote Port 1 : on Remote Port 2 : on IRIG Output : on Front Panel Display : on Relays : on Oscillator Disciplining: on 10 MHz Frequency Output: on IRIG Input : off Oscillator : TCXO Gps Receiver : Trimble Resolution T Board : NONE Looks like default config is for a gps reference, not IRIG * GPS Modules Dump the application: od -S 5 usr/bin/hs92XX looking for gps module references, we find: Motorola Oncore M12+ Timing Motorola M12M Timing Motorola M12M Navigation Trimble Resolution T Trimble Force-22 SAASM So, looks like quite a choice. Had thought the IRIG and GPS types might need a different firmware load, but there were entries early on in log files which suggested an initial default to a gps install, with IRIG being an option set at build time. Anyway was able to identify the GPS module in use from pics from another time-nuts member, with thanks. Found online and all seems to work, with good timing accuracy, though suspect would be better with a more stable oscillator. Good enough for ntp use though. A useful addition to the time & frequency collection... Chris