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Re: Shaft Seals

R
redpath@olympus.net
Wed, Jun 10, 1998 10:21 PM

Louis B. Brydon

GFO is a square braided graphite flax
replacement impregnated with teflon.  Gore says GFO is mil-spec certified
by the USN as the only replacement for conventional flax packing.

Graphite will (or definitely should) play hell with the shaft.

It is more noble than nearly anything, and will potentially create
galvanic corrosion at the stuffing gland--right where you want the shaft
smooth and shiny.  Graphite grease is also to be completely avoided.  The
US navy has plenty of our money to spend, and their considerations are
quite different from the average trawler-yacht.

Ordinarily a maximum potential difference of no more than 0.2 volts in
sea water will provide for a compatible pair of metals, and ideally would
be less.  With stainless and graphite, the difference in potential is 0.8
volt with SS in its active state, and 0.3 volt with SS in its passive
state.

Based on the difference between graphite and stainless on the galvanic
scale, your test of graphite packing being in year two without troubles
is nearly miraculous...

Michael Kasten

Louis B. Brydon >GFO is a square braided graphite flax >replacement impregnated with teflon. Gore says GFO is mil-spec certified >by the USN as the only replacement for conventional flax packing. Graphite will (or definitely should) play hell with the shaft. It is more noble than nearly anything, and will potentially create galvanic corrosion at the stuffing gland--right where you want the shaft smooth and shiny. Graphite grease is also to be completely avoided. The US navy has plenty of our money to spend, and their considerations are quite different from the average trawler-yacht. Ordinarily a maximum potential difference of no more than 0.2 volts in sea water will provide for a compatible pair of metals, and ideally would be less. With stainless and graphite, the difference in potential is 0.8 volt with SS in its active state, and 0.3 volt with SS in its passive state. Based on the difference between graphite and stainless on the galvanic scale, your test of graphite packing being in year two without troubles is nearly miraculous... Michael Kasten
B
brydon@ssd.loral.com
Thu, Jun 11, 1998 3:22 AM

Michael wrote:

Graphite will (or definitely should) play hell with the shaft.

It is more noble than nearly anything, and will potentially create
galvanic corrosion at the stuffing gland--

snip..

Based on the difference between graphite and stainless on the galvanic
scale, your test of graphite packing being in year two without troubles
is nearly miraculous...

Michael Kasten

I'm curious if anyone has experienced galvanic corrosion problems with the
graphite face seal units?  It was my understanding that both PSS and PYI
used a ring of graphite (attached to the belows tube) which bears against a
moving collar of stainless steel that's fastened to the shaft.  Once in
motion they are separated by a thin film of water, but at rest I would
expect contact.  These also rely on a very smooth face to maintain seal.
Any info?

I'll see what I can find from W. L. Gore on the actual composite material
used in the GFO and inquire about galvanic potential.

Louis B. Brydon  (WA6OCZ)                              O-
brydon@ssd.loral.com
SEASTAR - Redwood City, California, USA

>Michael wrote: >> >Graphite will (or definitely should) play hell with the shaft. > >It is more noble than nearly anything, and will potentially create >galvanic corrosion at the stuffing gland-- snip.. > >Based on the difference between graphite and stainless on the galvanic >scale, your test of graphite packing being in year two without troubles >is nearly miraculous... > >Michael Kasten I'm curious if anyone has experienced galvanic corrosion problems with the graphite face seal units? It was my understanding that both PSS and PYI used a ring of graphite (attached to the belows tube) which bears against a moving collar of stainless steel that's fastened to the shaft. Once in motion they are separated by a thin film of water, but at rest I would expect contact. These also rely on a very smooth face to maintain seal. Any info? I'll see what I can find from W. L. Gore on the actual composite material used in the GFO and inquire about galvanic potential. Louis B. Brydon (WA6OCZ) O- brydon@ssd.loral.com SEASTAR - Redwood City, California, USA