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Stanley Reynolds

Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:28 PM

Their forums are good source of info, I don't think the student version is
limited but you can ask there : http://forums.ni.com/

In a past life I was a programmer but found the virtual instrument hard to
understand, could be it's too easy.

CTL T which brings up two windows was one key, learning the menus was another.

User group meetings help also.

Stanley

From: J. Forster jfor@quik.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 10:07:03 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

Do the Student Versions allow full access and use of the NI Driver library?
I want to control some definitely non-student hardware.

Best,

-John

================

Student versions of LabView are "in bounds" for personal use.

Using the results for publication might get NI's attention, but
otherwise they have no problem with individual use. I have
registered my copy of LabView 8.5 Student Edition & gotten
direct technical help from them with very good results.

Student versions have been on *bay for less than $90.

Pete Rawson

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Their forums are good source of info, I don't think the student version is limited but you can ask there : http://forums.ni.com/ In a past life I was a programmer but found the virtual instrument hard to understand, could be it's too easy. CTL T which brings up two windows was one key, learning the menus was another. User group meetings help also. Stanley ________________________________ From: J. Forster <jfor@quik.com> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 10:07:03 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView Do the Student Versions allow full access and use of the NI Driver library? I want to control some definitely non-student hardware. Best, -John ================ > Student versions of LabView are "in bounds" for personal use. > > Using the results for publication might get NI's attention, but > otherwise they have no problem with individual use. I have > registered my copy of LabView 8.5 Student Edition & gotten > direct technical help from them with very good results. > > Student versions have been on *bay for less than $90. > > Pete Rawson > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

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Brent Gordon

Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:08 PM

Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here
(found by a froogle search):

http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQS&BKN=715789#mplistings

I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices. As a long-time
LabVIEW programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite. I really disliked all
of the 8.x versions. The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed
the 2010 version today.

Brent

On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote:

Hi,

Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to sell?
If so, please contact me off list.

Thanks,

-John

==============

Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here (found by a froogle search): http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQS&BKN=715789#mplistings I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices. As a long-time LabVIEW programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite. I really disliked all of the 8.x versions. The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed the 2010 version today. Brent On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote: > Hi, > > Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to sell? > If so, please contact me off list. > > Thanks, > > -John > > ============== > >

EG

Eric Garner

Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:17 PM

the LabView 2009 student edition seems to be either $79.95 as a dvd or
$115 as a textbook bundle.

http://www.ni.com/labviewse/select.htm

looking at the FAQ:

http://www.ni.com/labviewse/labviewse_faq.htm

it appears that there's no limitation to the student edition except
that it puts a watermark on your screen.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Brent Gordon time-nuts@adobe-labs.com wrote:

Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here (found by
a froogle search):

http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQS&BKN=715789#mplistings

I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices. As a long-time LabVIEW
programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite. I really disliked all of the 8.x
versions. The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed the 2010 version
today.

Brent

On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote:

Hi,

Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to sell?
If so, please contact me off list.

Thanks,

-John

==============

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Eric Garner

the LabView 2009 student edition seems to be either $79.95 as a dvd or $115 as a textbook bundle. http://www.ni.com/labviewse/select.htm looking at the FAQ: http://www.ni.com/labviewse/labviewse_faq.htm it appears that there's no limitation to the student edition except that it puts a watermark on your screen. On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Brent Gordon <time-nuts@adobe-labs.com> wrote: > Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here (found by > a froogle search): > > http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQS&BKN=715789#mplistings > > I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices. As a long-time LabVIEW > programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite. I really disliked all of the 8.x > versions. The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed the 2010 version > today. > > Brent > > On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to sell? >> If so, please contact me off list. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -John >> >> ============== >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- --Eric _________________________________________ Eric Garner

AK

Attila Kinali

Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:46 PM

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 06:00:21 +0200
"Bernd Neubig" bneubig@t-online.de wrote:

Why an OXCO? AFAIK the temperature has only an effect on long term
stability/drift, but doesn't affect short term effects (which cause the
jitters). > Or am i missing something?

Temperature has an important impact on short term stability in the range of
seconds and up, that's correct. However OCXO are usually using higher-Q
crystals (overtones, often SC-cuts), while VCXO, TCXO and clocks are mostly
using fundamental mode or "low" overtone crystals.

Thanks for the explanation.

I'll keep an eye on axtal, they look quite nice.

		Attila Kinali

--
Why does it take years to find the answers to
the questions one should have asked long ago?

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 06:00:21 +0200 "Bernd Neubig" <bneubig@t-online.de> wrote: > > Why an OXCO? AFAIK the temperature has only an effect on long term > > stability/drift, but doesn't affect short term effects (which cause the > > jitters). > Or am i missing something? > > Temperature has an important impact on short term stability in the range of > seconds and up, that's correct. However OCXO are usually using higher-Q > crystals (overtones, often SC-cuts), while VCXO, TCXO and clocks are mostly > using fundamental mode or "low" overtone crystals. Thanks for the explanation. I'll keep an eye on axtal, they look quite nice. Attila Kinali -- Why does it take years to find the answers to the questions one should have asked long ago?

AK

Attila Kinali

Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:49 PM

On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:02:58 -0400
"Bob Camp" lists@rtty.us wrote:

Single cycle jitter is a bit confusing when you talk about bandwidths of 5Hz
to 20 MHz off a carrier. Since phase noise at 5 Hz does contribute to jitter
over that bandwidth, an OCXO (with good phase noise close in) would be
needed.

Confusing is the right word. I can guess where it comes from,
but i think i will first read the stuff provided by Charles
before i continue asking questions.

Thanks so far and continue discussing ;-)

		Attila Kinali

--
Why does it take years to find the answers to
the questions one should have asked long ago?

On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:02:58 -0400 "Bob Camp" <lists@rtty.us> wrote: > Single cycle jitter is a bit confusing when you talk about bandwidths of 5Hz > to 20 MHz off a carrier. Since phase noise at 5 Hz does contribute to jitter > over that bandwidth, an OCXO (with good phase noise close in) would be > needed. Confusing is the right word. I can guess where it comes from, but i think i will first read the stuff provided by Charles before i continue asking questions. Thanks so far and continue discussing ;-) Attila Kinali -- Why does it take years to find the answers to the questions one should have asked long ago?

PR

Pete Rawson

Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:49 PM

Yes, the student edition is fully functional. Printed results will include
a "Student Edition" water mark to remind you it's not for publication.

Pete Rawson

On Aug 17, 2010, at 9:07 AM, J. Forster wrote:

Do the Student Versions allow full access and use of the NI Driver library?
I want to control some definitely non-student hardware.

Best,

-John

================

Student versions of LabView are "in bounds" for personal use.

Using the results for publication might get NI's attention, but
otherwise they have no problem with individual use. I have
registered my copy of LabView 8.5 Student Edition & gotten
direct technical help from them with very good results.

Student versions have been on *bay for less than $90.

Pete Rawson

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Yes, the student edition is fully functional. Printed results will include a "Student Edition" water mark to remind you it's not for publication. Pete Rawson On Aug 17, 2010, at 9:07 AM, J. Forster wrote: > Do the Student Versions allow full access and use of the NI Driver library? > I want to control some definitely non-student hardware. > > Best, > > -John > > ================ > >> Student versions of LabView are "in bounds" for personal use. >> >> Using the results for publication might get NI's attention, but >> otherwise they have no problem with individual use. I have >> registered my copy of LabView 8.5 Student Edition & gotten >> direct technical help from them with very good results. >> >> Student versions have been on *bay for less than $90. >> >> Pete Rawson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

PS

paul swed

Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:49 PM

OK I see my typos. Should have used spell check

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:12 AM, J. L. Trantham jltran@att.net wrote:

I, too, would be interested in getting an older version of Labview. I have
1980's HP equipment that I would love to be able to communicate with
efficiently using my NI GPIB cards.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of paul swed
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:05 AM
To: jfor@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

I was able to pick up a year 2000 or so one from Bert. This worked for the
things that I was trying to do and the types of gear I have. HP etc. May he
have more. ve2zaz@yahoo.ca

Missed you at the MIT
Reagrds
Paul

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:36 AM, J. Forster jfor@quik.com wrote:

Hi,

Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to
sell? If so, please contact me off list.

Thanks,

-John

==============

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OK I see my typos. Should have used spell check On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:12 AM, J. L. Trantham <jltran@att.net> wrote: > I, too, would be interested in getting an older version of Labview. I have > 1980's HP equipment that I would love to be able to communicate with > efficiently using my NI GPIB cards. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of paul swed > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:05 AM > To: jfor@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView > > > I was able to pick up a year 2000 or so one from Bert. This worked for the > things that I was trying to do and the types of gear I have. HP etc. May he > have more. ve2zaz@yahoo.ca > > Missed you at the MIT > Reagrds > Paul > > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:36 AM, J. Forster <jfor@quik.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to > > sell? If so, please contact me off list. > > > > Thanks, > > > > -John > > > > ============== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

PS

paul swed

Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:52 PM

As a heads up. What I ran into is that different versions of NI may or may
not support the various cards we find on epay or at hamfests. Thats why I
picked up a circa 2000 vintage of NI. It supported the ethernet gpib
adapters that I ran across and the ISA cards...
After about 2002 these drivers and interfaces were obsolete.
I am sure there are experts in this group that know far more then I do.
Just a caution.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:12 AM, J. L. Trantham jltran@att.net wrote:

I, too, would be interested in getting an older version of Labview. I have
1980's HP equipment that I would love to be able to communicate with
efficiently using my NI GPIB cards.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of paul swed
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:05 AM
To: jfor@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView

I was able to pick up a year 2000 or so one from Bert. This worked for the
things that I was trying to do and the types of gear I have. HP etc. May he
have more. ve2zaz@yahoo.ca

Missed you at the MIT
Reagrds
Paul

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:36 AM, J. Forster jfor@quik.com wrote:

Hi,

Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to
sell? If so, please contact me off list.

Thanks,

-John

==============

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As a heads up. What I ran into is that different versions of NI may or may not support the various cards we find on epay or at hamfests. Thats why I picked up a circa 2000 vintage of NI. It supported the ethernet gpib adapters that I ran across and the ISA cards... After about 2002 these drivers and interfaces were obsolete. I am sure there are experts in this group that know far more then I do. Just a caution. On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:12 AM, J. L. Trantham <jltran@att.net> wrote: > I, too, would be interested in getting an older version of Labview. I have > 1980's HP equipment that I would love to be able to communicate with > efficiently using my NI GPIB cards. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of paul swed > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:05 AM > To: jfor@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView > > > I was able to pick up a year 2000 or so one from Bert. This worked for the > things that I was trying to do and the types of gear I have. HP etc. May he > have more. ve2zaz@yahoo.ca > > Missed you at the MIT > Reagrds > Paul > > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:36 AM, J. Forster <jfor@quik.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to > > sell? If so, please contact me off list. > > > > Thanks, > > > > -John > > > > ============== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

JF

J. Forster

Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:15 AM

I guess "you snooze, you loose". There was just one copy w/o CDs just now.

Why don't you like about Rev 8, if I may ask?

Thank you,

-John

==============

Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here
(found by a froogle search):

http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQS&BKN=715789#mplistings

I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices. As a long-time
LabVIEW programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite. I really disliked all
of the 8.x versions. The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed
the 2010 version today.

Brent

On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote:

Hi,

Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to sell?
If so, please contact me off list.

Thanks,

-John

==============

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I guess "you snooze, you loose". There was just one copy w/o CDs just now. Why don't you like about Rev 8, if I may ask? Thank you, -John ============== > Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here > (found by a froogle search): > > http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQS&BKN=715789#mplistings > > > I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices. As a long-time > LabVIEW programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite. I really disliked all > of the 8.x versions. The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed > the 2010 version today. > > Brent > > On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to sell? >> If so, please contact me off list. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -John >> >> ============== >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >

JF

J. Forster

Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:22 AM

It appears you have to have "student" status (an ID, course schedule,
etc), and alum doesn't count.

Best,

-John

===============

the LabView 2009 student edition seems to be either $79.95 as a dvd or
$115 as a textbook bundle.

http://www.ni.com/labviewse/select.htm

looking at the FAQ:

http://www.ni.com/labviewse/labviewse_faq.htm

it appears that there's no limitation to the student edition except
that it puts a watermark on your screen.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Brent Gordon time-nuts@adobe-labs.com
wrote:

Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here
(found by
a froogle search):

http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQS&BKN=715789#mplistings

I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices. As a long-time
LabVIEW
programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite. I really disliked all of the
8.x
versions. The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed the 2010
version
today.

Brent

On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote:

Hi,

Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to
sell?
If so, please contact me off list.

Thanks,

-John

==============

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It appears you have to have "student" status (an ID, course schedule, etc), and alum doesn't count. Best, -John =============== > the LabView 2009 student edition seems to be either $79.95 as a dvd or > $115 as a textbook bundle. > > http://www.ni.com/labviewse/select.htm > > looking at the FAQ: > > http://www.ni.com/labviewse/labviewse_faq.htm > > it appears that there's no limitation to the student edition except > that it puts a watermark on your screen. > > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Brent Gordon <time-nuts@adobe-labs.com> > wrote: >> Three copies of the Version 7.1 Student Edition are available here >> (found by >> a froogle search): >> >> http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?CSID=DW2BW33KOOKBZKOMODUKCACQS&BKN=715789#mplistings >> >> I was going to sell my copy until I saw the prices. As a long-time >> LabVIEW >> programmer, version 7.1 is my favorite. I really disliked all of the >> 8.x >> versions. The 2009 version isn't bad and I only installed the 2010 >> version >> today. >> >> Brent >> >> On 8/16/2010 11:36 PM, J. Forster wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Does anybody have an older version of NI LabView SW they'd like to >>> sell? >>> If so, please contact me off list. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -John >>> >>> ============== >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > > > -- > --Eric > _________________________________________ > Eric Garner > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >

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