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Thataway@aol.com
Mon, Aug 20, 2001 6:41 PM

Rick says:" 2. Many countries lock up flare pistols and flares as well as
weapons on
entry."

In my sailing adventures I have been in excess of 40 different  nations and
never had a flare gun locked up or taken.

There was a insert for a 25 mm flare gun which was called the Machete
stopper--it was pulled from the market because of liablity issues---I keep
hearing rumors of it re appreaing.

Do not every try a 12 guage shot gun shell in a flare gun--not even a blank!
Rick is right---you run a good chance of becomming handless.--and maybe even
headless.

Altough not all cruisers will talk about arms I venture that over 50% are
well armed.  The majority of these have the guns so well hidden that they are
never found....and they don't let others know that they have arms aboard.
Virtually all of my friends are armed.  You can get into serious trouble with
firearms--and it is a very serious decision.

I agree I would take my chances in almost every where in Mexico over many
places in the USA.  Those who say bad things about Mexico have either never
enjoyed Mexico, had a rare incidence of bad luck or done something illegal.
Their civil system is much different than ours and you  must understand that.
So is the way business is done.  If you don't want to understand and accept
the culture and laws don't go there.

Bob Austin

Rick says:" 2. Many countries lock up flare pistols and flares as well as weapons on entry." In my sailing adventures I have been in excess of 40 different nations and never had a flare gun locked up or taken. There was a insert for a 25 mm flare gun which was called the Machete stopper--it was pulled from the market because of liablity issues---I keep hearing rumors of it re appreaing. Do not every try a 12 guage shot gun shell in a flare gun--not even a blank! Rick is right---you run a good chance of becomming handless.--and maybe even headless. Altough not all cruisers will talk about arms I venture that over 50% are well armed. The majority of these have the guns so well hidden that they are never found....and they don't let others know that they have arms aboard. Virtually all of my friends are armed. You can get into serious trouble with firearms--and it is a very serious decision. I agree I would take my chances in almost every where in Mexico over many places in the USA. Those who say bad things about Mexico have either never enjoyed Mexico, had a rare incidence of bad luck or done something illegal. Their civil system is much different than ours and you must understand that. So is the way business is done. If you don't want to understand and accept the culture and laws don't go there. Bob Austin
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Richter-Pooh@rocketmail.com
Fri, Aug 31, 2001 4:12 PM

<<There was a insert for a 25 mm flare gun which was
called the Machete stopper--it was pulled from the
market because of liablity issues---I keep
hearing rumors of it re appreaing.>>

This insert is a simple machined piece of aluminum
barstock, slips into the 25mm flare gun and accepts
standard 12 ga 2.75" shotgun shells.  They are
sometimes seen at marine flea markets, and are almost
surely illegal in most of the U.S.

Mark


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<<There was a insert for a 25 mm flare gun which was called the Machete stopper--it was pulled from the market because of liablity issues---I keep hearing rumors of it re appreaing.>> This insert is a simple machined piece of aluminum barstock, slips into the 25mm flare gun and accepts standard 12 ga 2.75" shotgun shells. They are sometimes seen at marine flea markets, and are almost surely illegal in most of the U.S. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com
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scaramouche@tvo.org
Fri, Aug 31, 2001 4:30 PM

This insert is a simple machined piece of aluminum
barstock, slips into the 25mm flare gun and accepts
standard 12 ga 2.75" shotgun shells.  They are
sometimes seen at marine flea markets, and are almost
surely illegal in most of the U.S.

I have one and think it's meant to take 12 gauge flares. Wouldn't
dare try a shotgun shell - like all my fingers to remain on my hand.
<grin>

Ciao - George

Richter-Pooh@rocketmail.com writes: > >This insert is a simple machined piece of aluminum >barstock, slips into the 25mm flare gun and accepts >standard 12 ga 2.75" shotgun shells. They are >sometimes seen at marine flea markets, and are almost >surely illegal in most of the U.S. I have one and think it's meant to take 12 gauge flares. Wouldn't dare try a shotgun shell - like all my fingers to remain on my hand. <grin> Ciao - George
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adam@nordhavn.com
Fri, Aug 31, 2001 4:58 PM

The sleeved insert is not Aluminum...it is steel.

The outside dimension is of a 12GA. Shell, i.e. the inside diameter of the
flare gun. The inside dimension of the sleeve fits a .410 shotgun shell,
which is quite tame. This converts the gun to a .410 pistol.  12.ga in a
pistol would be way too powerful to control even if the gun didn't come
apart on you.

Adam Cultraro

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com
[mailto:owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com]On Behalf Of George Geist
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:30 AM
To: Richter-Pooh@rocketmail.com
Cc: trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Subject: Re(2): TWL: Flareguns

Richter-Pooh@rocketmail.com writes:

This insert is a simple machined piece of aluminum
barstock, slips into the 25mm flare gun and accepts
standard 12 ga 2.75" shotgun shells.  They are
sometimes seen at marine flea markets, and are almost
surely illegal in most of the U.S.

I have one and think it's meant to take 12 gauge flares. Wouldn't
dare try a shotgun shell - like all my fingers to remain on my hand.
<grin>

Ciao - George

The sleeved insert is not Aluminum...it is steel. The outside dimension is of a 12GA. Shell, i.e. the inside diameter of the flare gun. The inside dimension of the sleeve fits a .410 shotgun shell, which is quite tame. This converts the gun to a .410 pistol. 12.ga in a pistol would be way too powerful to control even if the gun didn't come apart on you. Adam Cultraro -----Original Message----- From: owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com [mailto:owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com]On Behalf Of George Geist Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:30 AM To: Richter-Pooh@rocketmail.com Cc: trawler-world-list@samurai.com Subject: Re(2): TWL: Flareguns Richter-Pooh@rocketmail.com writes: > >This insert is a simple machined piece of aluminum >barstock, slips into the 25mm flare gun and accepts >standard 12 ga 2.75" shotgun shells. They are >sometimes seen at marine flea markets, and are almost >surely illegal in most of the U.S. I have one and think it's meant to take 12 gauge flares. Wouldn't dare try a shotgun shell - like all my fingers to remain on my hand. <grin> Ciao - George