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Re: Has anyone played with the Pendulum CNT-104R?

JG
Joseph Gwinn
Mon, Feb 24, 2025 3:27 PM

Re: time-nuts Digest, Vol 250, Issue 16

On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 03:30:09 -0500, time-nuts-request@lists.febo.com
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:26:14 +0100
From: Magnus Danielson magnus@rubidium.se
Subject: [time-nuts] Re: Has anyone played with the Pendulum CNT-104R?
To: Attila Kinali via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Message-ID: 2faacc00-2986-4c96-b059-f3ef97b77bd8@rubidium.se
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Hi,

On 2/22/25 10:54, Attila Kinali via time-nuts wrote:

On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 23:48:16 +0000
Tom Knox via time-nutstime-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

I am a big fan of the CNT90/91 series. So, I just rushed to the
site with great anticipation and left somewhat disappointed. I was
hoping for a next gen instrument for T&F metrology.

In terms of time-frequency counters, the CNT-104 is a pretty big
step. Just compare what happened the last 20 years. After the
reciprocal counter was introduced in the 70s, the first real
change was the continious time-stamping, which came in the early
2000s by Pendulum with the CNT-90.

I agree fully. The CNT102/104 builds on the continuous improvements from
CNT80/81 (ASIC based), to CNT90/91 (First FPGA based, ADC interpolator)
to now CNT102/104 (FPGA based, FPGA interpolator).

I actually think I recall that the CNT80/81 could do continious
timestamping too, but it was more a traditional counter in that regard.

What has developed in how much that was accessable, and while the
documentation was always there, it has gone more into the thinking.

I proposed a more multichannel counter for them back in the day, as it
would enable monitoring multiple sources at the same time, either for
testing, for more elaborate measurement setups or for thinks like small
ensamble clocks. The CNT104 can do exactly that. Back in the day of
CNT90/91 just released focus was on improved performance. CNT81 had a 25
ps precision, CNT90 has 100 ps, CNT91 pushed that to 50 ps (minor tweaks
on essentially the same hardware). Also, the separate line was the
Wandermeters with WM10, WM11 and then the large screen platform now
available as Calnex Senteniel.

In this regard, CNT104 is just a step forward in performance and
capabilities. This is to be expected for such general instrument.

Magnus, is there better principles-of-operation documentation on the
CNT-104R available?  All I can find is the sales literature.

Joe

Re: time-nuts Digest, Vol 250, Issue 16 On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 03:30:09 -0500, time-nuts-request@lists.febo.com wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:26:14 +0100 > From: Magnus Danielson <magnus@rubidium.se> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: Has anyone played with the Pendulum CNT-104R? > To: Attila Kinali via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Message-ID: <2faacc00-2986-4c96-b059-f3ef97b77bd8@rubidium.se> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > > On 2/22/25 10:54, Attila Kinali via time-nuts wrote: >> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 23:48:16 +0000 >> Tom Knox via time-nuts<time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: >> >>> I am a big fan of the CNT90/91 series. So, I just rushed to the >>> site with great anticipation and left somewhat disappointed. I was >>> hoping for a next gen instrument for T&F metrology. >> In terms of time-frequency counters, the CNT-104 is a pretty big >> step. Just compare what happened the last 20 years. After the >> reciprocal counter was introduced in the 70s, the first real >> change was the continious time-stamping, which came in the early >> 2000s by Pendulum with the CNT-90. > > I agree fully. The CNT102/104 builds on the continuous improvements from > CNT80/81 (ASIC based), to CNT90/91 (First FPGA based, ADC interpolator) > to now CNT102/104 (FPGA based, FPGA interpolator). > > I actually think I recall that the CNT80/81 could do continious > timestamping too, but it was more a traditional counter in that regard. > > What has developed in how much that was accessable, and while the > documentation was always there, it has gone more into the thinking. > > I proposed a more multichannel counter for them back in the day, as it > would enable monitoring multiple sources at the same time, either for > testing, for more elaborate measurement setups or for thinks like small > ensamble clocks. The CNT104 can do exactly that. Back in the day of > CNT90/91 just released focus was on improved performance. CNT81 had a 25 > ps precision, CNT90 has 100 ps, CNT91 pushed that to 50 ps (minor tweaks > on essentially the same hardware). Also, the separate line was the > Wandermeters with WM10, WM11 and then the large screen platform now > available as Calnex Senteniel. > > In this regard, CNT104 is just a step forward in performance and > capabilities. This is to be expected for such general instrument. > Magnus, is there better principles-of-operation documentation on the CNT-104R available? All I can find is the sales literature. Joe