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Re: TRAK Systems 8812 (marco bartoli)

J
John
Sun, Sep 18, 2022 8:37 AM

My guess is that the 40 pin chip will be the special-programming
Motorola 68k-series GPIB interface processor. Not normally available,
although probably recoverable from scrapped gear. Will the programming
be identical? I don't know.

John

nuts@lists.febo.com>> wrote:

Even if I receives the six satellites correctly, apart from the week roll over issue, I never have the LOCKED led on the front panel.
So seems PLL circuit doesn't work at all.
If I try to set new value from the terminal  I got ok message as response, but on the display ( DAC REF 2050 OSC CAL OK) .. I did not find any DAC, and this is the reason why the reference voltage on the rubidium didn't change
Since some ic are not in place, just the socket, I am start wondering if this are optional or not.

Attached a picture of my 8812 main board, where some ic seems.tohttp://seems.to miss.

U12, U25, U45, U46.

Can some good soul, send me a picture or tell me which ic should be in place ??

Thank You indeed

My guess is that the 40 pin chip will be the special-programming Motorola 68k-series GPIB interface processor. Not normally available, although probably recoverable from scrapped gear. Will the programming be identical? I don't know. John nuts@lists.febo.com>> wrote: > Even if I receives the six satellites correctly, apart from the week roll over issue, I never have the LOCKED led on the front panel. > So seems PLL circuit doesn't work at all. > If I try to set new value from the terminal I got ok message as response, but on the display ( DAC REF 2050 OSC CAL OK) .. I did not find any DAC, and this is the reason why the reference voltage on the rubidium didn't change > Since some ic are not in place, just the socket, I am start wondering if this are optional or not. > > Attached a picture of my 8812 main board, where some ic seems.to<http://seems.to> miss. > > U12, U25, U45, U46. > > > Can some good soul, send me a picture or tell me which ic should be in place ?? > > Thank You indeed
PB
Peter Bell
Mon, Sep 19, 2022 3:59 AM

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 10:31 AM John via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

My guess is that the 40 pin chip will be the special-programming
Motorola 68k-series GPIB interface processor. Not normally available,
although probably recoverable from scrapped gear. Will the programming
be identical? I don't know.

Looking at the wiring to the chips below it (which are most likely
SN75160/SN75161) I would
guess its a NEC uPD7210 -  at least the data lines seem to be in about the
right place for
that part (assuming the driver chip on the left is the 75160) - they look
pretty clearly wrong for
the TMS9914A, which would be the other obvious choice for the time period
in question.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 10:31 AM John via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > My guess is that the 40 pin chip will be the special-programming > Motorola 68k-series GPIB interface processor. Not normally available, > although probably recoverable from scrapped gear. Will the programming > be identical? I don't know. > Looking at the wiring to the chips below it (which are most likely SN75160/SN75161) I would guess its a NEC uPD7210 - at least the data lines seem to be in about the right place for that part (assuming the driver chip on the left is the 75160) - they look pretty clearly wrong for the TMS9914A, which would be the other obvious choice for the time period in question.
C
comsec22
Tue, Sep 20, 2022 10:53 AM

Hi Peter, the controller is 8291 the clock is on pin 3 and is coherent
withe the 8812. The other two I agree 75160 and 75161. I order the 75s..

Instead : any information on the Magnavox Gps Engine,  I mean how to
program it ?

Cheers

Il Lun 19 Set 2022, 08:12 Peter Bell via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com
ha scritto:

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 10:31 AM John via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

My guess is that the 40 pin chip will be the special-programming
Motorola 68k-series GPIB interface processor. Not normally available,
although probably recoverable from scrapped gear. Will the programming
be identical? I don't know.

Looking at the wiring to the chips below it (which are most likely
SN75160/SN75161) I would
guess its a NEC uPD7210 -  at least the data lines seem to be in about the
right place for
that part (assuming the driver chip on the left is the 75160) - they look
pretty clearly wrong for
the TMS9914A, which would be the other obvious choice for the time period
in question.


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Hi Peter, the controller is 8291 the clock is on pin 3 and is coherent withe the 8812. The other two I agree 75160 and 75161. I order the 75s.. Instead : any information on the Magnavox Gps Engine, I mean how to program it ? Cheers Il Lun 19 Set 2022, 08:12 Peter Bell via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> ha scritto: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 10:31 AM John via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > My guess is that the 40 pin chip will be the special-programming > > Motorola 68k-series GPIB interface processor. Not normally available, > > although probably recoverable from scrapped gear. Will the programming > > be identical? I don't know. > > > > Looking at the wiring to the chips below it (which are most likely > SN75160/SN75161) I would > guess its a NEC uPD7210 - at least the data lines seem to be in about the > right place for > that part (assuming the driver chip on the left is the 75160) - they look > pretty clearly wrong for > the TMS9914A, which would be the other obvious choice for the time period > in question. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com >
MB
marco bartoli
Wed, Sep 21, 2022 9:58 AM

GPIB implemented.
The original manual doesn't talk more about GPIB..


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Subject: [time-nuts] Re: TRAK Systems 8812 (marco bartoli)

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 10:31 AM John via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

My guess is that the 40 pin chip will be the special-programming
Motorola 68k-series GPIB interface processor. Not normally available,
although probably recoverable from scrapped gear. Will the programming
be identical? I don't know.

Looking at the wiring to the chips below it (which are most likely
SN75160/SN75161) I would
guess its a NEC uPD7210 -  at least the data lines seem to be in about the
right place for
that part (assuming the driver chip on the left is the 75160) - they look
pretty clearly wrong for
the TMS9914A, which would be the other obvious choice for the time period
in question.


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GPIB implemented. The original manual doesn't talk more about GPIB.. ________________________________ From: Peter Bell via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> Sent: 19 September 2022 5:59 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> Cc: Peter Bell <bell.peter@gmail.com> Subject: [time-nuts] Re: TRAK Systems 8812 (marco bartoli) On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 10:31 AM John via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > My guess is that the 40 pin chip will be the special-programming > Motorola 68k-series GPIB interface processor. Not normally available, > although probably recoverable from scrapped gear. Will the programming > be identical? I don't know. > Looking at the wiring to the chips below it (which are most likely SN75160/SN75161) I would guess its a NEC uPD7210 - at least the data lines seem to be in about the right place for that part (assuming the driver chip on the left is the 75160) - they look pretty clearly wrong for the TMS9914A, which would be the other obvious choice for the time period in question. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
G
ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de
Wed, Sep 21, 2022 11:25 AM

Am 2022-09-21 11:58, schrieb marco bartoli via time-nuts:

GPIB implemented.
The original manual doesn't talk more about GPIB..

Looking at the wiring to the chips below it (which are most likely
SN75160/SN75161) I would
guess its a NEC uPD7210 -  at least the data lines seem to be in about
the
right place for
that part (assuming the driver chip on the left is the 75160) - they
look
pretty clearly wrong for
the TMS9914A, which would be the other obvious choice for the time
period
in question.

It is not impossible that I still have a data book, but I did choose
TMS9914A.
The 8291 could only talk/listen, the 8292 was the mating contoller,
IIRC.

regards, Gerhard

Am 2022-09-21 11:58, schrieb marco bartoli via time-nuts: > GPIB implemented. > The original manual doesn't talk more about GPIB.. > Looking at the wiring to the chips below it (which are most likely > SN75160/SN75161) I would > guess its a NEC uPD7210 - at least the data lines seem to be in about > the > right place for > that part (assuming the driver chip on the left is the 75160) - they > look > pretty clearly wrong for > the TMS9914A, which would be the other obvious choice for the time > period > in question. Probably Intel 8291 / 8292 There is even an ebay hit < https://www.ebay.com/itm/P8291A-Intel-GPIB-Talk-Listen-IEEE-488-Buss-Interface-IC-Used-Board-Pull-Qty-1-/133246454941?hash=item1f061b8c9d > It is not impossible that I still have a data book, but I did choose TMS9914A. The 8291 could only talk/listen, the 8292 was the mating contoller, IIRC. regards, Gerhard
MB
marco bartoli
Wed, Sep 21, 2022 11:31 AM

Gerard, Did You use the TMS9914A on Your Trak ?


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Am 2022-09-21 11:58, schrieb marco bartoli via time-nuts:

GPIB implemented.
The original manual doesn't talk more about GPIB..

Looking at the wiring to the chips below it (which are most likely
SN75160/SN75161) I would
guess its a NEC uPD7210 -  at least the data lines seem to be in about
the
right place for
that part (assuming the driver chip on the left is the 75160) - they
look
pretty clearly wrong for
the TMS9914A, which would be the other obvious choice for the time
period
in question.

It is not impossible that I still have a data book, but I did choose
TMS9914A.
The 8291 could only talk/listen, the 8292 was the mating contoller,
IIRC.

regards, Gerhard

Gerard, Did You use the TMS9914A on Your Trak ? ________________________________ From: ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> Sent: 21 September 2022 1:25 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> Cc: marco bartoli <marcobartoli64@outlook.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Re: TRAK Systems 8812 (marco bartoli) Am 2022-09-21 11:58, schrieb marco bartoli via time-nuts: > GPIB implemented. > The original manual doesn't talk more about GPIB.. > Looking at the wiring to the chips below it (which are most likely > SN75160/SN75161) I would > guess its a NEC uPD7210 - at least the data lines seem to be in about > the > right place for > that part (assuming the driver chip on the left is the 75160) - they > look > pretty clearly wrong for > the TMS9914A, which would be the other obvious choice for the time > period > in question. Probably Intel 8291 / 8292 There is even an ebay hit < https://www.ebay.com/itm/P8291A-Intel-GPIB-Talk-Listen-IEEE-488-Buss-Interface-IC-Used-Board-Pull-Qty-1-/133246454941?hash=item1f061b8c9d > It is not impossible that I still have a data book, but I did choose TMS9914A. The 8291 could only talk/listen, the 8292 was the mating contoller, IIRC. regards, Gerhard