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Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay bidding question

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SAIDJACK@aol.com
Thu, Apr 26, 2007 8:17 PM

In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time, rexa@sonic.net
writes:

Can  anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list
of  recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be one but it is  evading
me.

*Bidder*    Bid  Amount    Date of bid         

Bidder 6    US $4,000.00  Apr-22-07  05:14:15
Bidder 8    US $4,000.00  Apr-25-07 00:49:30

Could this be because of bid retractions or simply revising a bid?

Are the times/dates local time or Ebay UTC?

bye,
Said

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In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time, rexa@sonic.net writes: Can anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list of recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be one but it is evading me. > > *Bidder* Bid Amount Date of bid > Bidder 6 US $4,000.00 Apr-22-07 05:14:15 > Bidder 8 US $4,000.00 Apr-25-07 00:49:30 Could this be because of bid retractions or simply revising a bid? Are the times/dates local time or Ebay UTC? bye, Said ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
MW
M. Warner Losh
Thu, Apr 26, 2007 8:25 PM

In message: c07.1267dccb.336262f6@aol.com
SAIDJACK@aol.com writes:
:
: In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time, rexa@sonic.net
: writes:
:
: Can  anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list
: of  recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be one but it is  evading
: me.
:
: >
: >    Bidder    Bid  Amount    Date of bid
: >  Bidder 6    US $4,000.00  Apr-22-07  05:14:15
: >    Bidder 8    US $4,000.00  Apr-25-07 00:49:30
:
:
: Could this be because of bid retractions or simply revising a bid?
:
: Are the times/dates local time or Ebay UTC?

All of them are UTC.

This happens all the time.

If bidder 6 bid $4000 before bidder 8, as is indicated here, then
bidder 6 wins because his bid is first.  Sort of a 'tie goes to the
runner' sort of resolution.

Warner

In message: <c07.1267dccb.336262f6@aol.com> SAIDJACK@aol.com writes: : : In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time, rexa@sonic.net : writes: : : Can anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list : of recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be one but it is evading : me. : : > : > *Bidder* Bid Amount Date of bid : > Bidder 6 US $4,000.00 Apr-22-07 05:14:15 : > Bidder 8 US $4,000.00 Apr-25-07 00:49:30 : : : Could this be because of bid retractions or simply revising a bid? : : Are the times/dates local time or Ebay UTC? All of them are UTC. This happens all the time. If bidder 6 bid $4000 before bidder 8, as is indicated here, then bidder 6 wins because his bid is first. Sort of a 'tie goes to the runner' sort of resolution. Warner
MF
Mike Feher
Thu, Apr 26, 2007 8:40 PM

In the states, all of the times shown are in PST. However, regardless of
where you are, the order of the time stamp should not matter as they are in
the same time zone. I was not aware, being on ebay for 10 years, that they
ever listed their times other than in PST (California local time). Maybe in
different countries they do. Still the sequence of bid placing should not
change. - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of M. Warner Losh
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:25 PM
To: time-nuts@febo.com; SAIDJACK@aol.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay bidding question

In message: c07.1267dccb.336262f6@aol.com
SAIDJACK@aol.com writes:
:
: In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time,
rexa@sonic.net
: writes:
:
: Can  anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list
: of  recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be one but it is  evading
: me.
:
: >
: >    Bidder    Bid  Amount    Date of bid
: >  Bidder 6    US $4,000.00  Apr-22-07  05:14:15
: >    Bidder 8    US $4,000.00  Apr-25-07 00:49:30
:
:
: Could this be because of bid retractions or simply revising a bid?
:
: Are the times/dates local time or Ebay UTC?

All of them are UTC.

This happens all the time.

If bidder 6 bid $4000 before bidder 8, as is indicated here, then
bidder 6 wins because his bid is first.  Sort of a 'tie goes to the
runner' sort of resolution.

Warner


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In the states, all of the times shown are in PST. However, regardless of where you are, the order of the time stamp should not matter as they are in the same time zone. I was not aware, being on ebay for 10 years, that they ever listed their times other than in PST (California local time). Maybe in different countries they do. Still the sequence of bid placing should not change. - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of M. Warner Losh Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:25 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com; SAIDJACK@aol.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay bidding question In message: <c07.1267dccb.336262f6@aol.com> SAIDJACK@aol.com writes: : : In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time, rexa@sonic.net : writes: : : Can anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list : of recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be one but it is evading : me. : : > : > *Bidder* Bid Amount Date of bid : > Bidder 6 US $4,000.00 Apr-22-07 05:14:15 : > Bidder 8 US $4,000.00 Apr-25-07 00:49:30 : : : Could this be because of bid retractions or simply revising a bid? : : Are the times/dates local time or Ebay UTC? All of them are UTC. This happens all the time. If bidder 6 bid $4000 before bidder 8, as is indicated here, then bidder 6 wins because his bid is first. Sort of a 'tie goes to the runner' sort of resolution. Warner _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
MF
Mike Feher
Thu, Apr 26, 2007 8:44 PM

I cannot believe the confusion. This stuff is child's play compared to what
we typically discuss on here. Think about it, and re-read some of the
earlier posts, including mine. I have been on ebay for 10 years and I know
exactly how it works. There is nothing wrong or misleading about the amounts
or the sequence of bids as shown on the questioned item. - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of buehl
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 5:33 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay bidding question

When I asked these questions of eBay; the unsatisfactory answer was that
only "actual" bids show.

This meaning a new bid submmitted would create new/ additional line,
similar to the series of bids on April 23.
Is not clear why this bidder put in so many bids within two minutes, since
no other bidder's 'proxy' bid shows as exceeding any of his bids.

Also does not explain following:  Bidder six placed bid on April 22, but
his bid does not show until after many other bids are placed on 23, 24, and
25 April.  It is expected he would show as a bidder if his bid was
4,000.  If his bid was less, then he would have needed to bid again; which
eBay says would result in the new bid submission being displayed.

Tom Buehl

At 03:17 PM 4/26/2007, you wrote:

In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time, rexa@sonic.net
writes:

Can  anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list
of  recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be one but it is  evading
me.

*Bidder*    Bid  Amount    Date of bid

Bidder 6    US $4,000.00  Apr-22-07  05:14:15
Bidder 8    US $4,000.00  Apr-25-07 00:49:30

Could this be because of bid retractions or simply revising a bid?

Are the times/dates local time or Ebay UTC?

bye,
Said

************************************** See what's free at

I cannot believe the confusion. This stuff is child's play compared to what we typically discuss on here. Think about it, and re-read some of the earlier posts, including mine. I have been on ebay for 10 years and I know exactly how it works. There is nothing wrong or misleading about the amounts or the sequence of bids as shown on the questioned item. - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of buehl Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 5:33 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay bidding question When I asked these questions of eBay; the unsatisfactory answer was that only "actual" bids show. This meaning a new bid submmitted would create new/ additional line, similar to the series of bids on April 23. Is not clear why this bidder put in so many bids within two minutes, since no other bidder's 'proxy' bid shows as exceeding any of his bids. Also does not explain following: Bidder six placed bid on April 22, but his bid does not show until after many other bids are placed on 23, 24, and 25 April. It is expected he would show as a bidder if his bid was 4,000. If his bid was less, then he would have needed to bid again; which eBay says would result in the new bid submission being displayed. Tom Buehl At 03:17 PM 4/26/2007, you wrote: > >In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time, rexa@sonic.net >writes: > >Can anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list >of recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be one but it is evading >me. > > > > > *Bidder* Bid Amount Date of bid > > Bidder 6 US $4,000.00 Apr-22-07 05:14:15 > > Bidder 8 US $4,000.00 Apr-25-07 00:49:30 > > >Could this be because of bid retractions or simply revising a bid? > >Are the times/dates local time or Ebay UTC? > >bye, >Said > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list >time-nuts@febo.com >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
B
buehl
Thu, Apr 26, 2007 9:33 PM

When I asked these questions of eBay; the unsatisfactory answer was that
only "actual" bids show.

This meaning a new bid submmitted would create new/ additional line,
similar to the series of bids on April 23.
Is not clear why this bidder put in so many bids within two minutes, since
no other bidder's 'proxy' bid shows as exceeding any of his bids.

Also does not explain following:  Bidder six placed bid on April 22, but
his bid does not show until after many other bids are placed on 23, 24, and
25 April.  It is expected he would show as a bidder if his bid was
4,000.  If his bid was less, then he would have needed to bid again; which
eBay says would result in the new bid submission being displayed.

Tom Buehl

At 03:17 PM 4/26/2007, you wrote:

In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time, rexa@sonic.net
writes:

Can  anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list
of  recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be one but it is  evading
me.

*Bidder*    Bid  Amount    Date of bid

Bidder 6    US $4,000.00  Apr-22-07  05:14:15
Bidder 8    US $4,000.00  Apr-25-07 00:49:30

Could this be because of bid retractions or simply revising a bid?

Are the times/dates local time or Ebay UTC?

bye,
Said

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.


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When I asked these questions of eBay; the unsatisfactory answer was that only "actual" bids show. This meaning a new bid submmitted would create new/ additional line, similar to the series of bids on April 23. Is not clear why this bidder put in so many bids within two minutes, since no other bidder's 'proxy' bid shows as exceeding any of his bids. Also does not explain following: Bidder six placed bid on April 22, but his bid does not show until after many other bids are placed on 23, 24, and 25 April. It is expected he would show as a bidder if his bid was 4,000. If his bid was less, then he would have needed to bid again; which eBay says would result in the new bid submission being displayed. Tom Buehl At 03:17 PM 4/26/2007, you wrote: > >In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time, rexa@sonic.net >writes: > >Can anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list >of recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be one but it is evading >me. > > > > > *Bidder* Bid Amount Date of bid > > Bidder 6 US $4,000.00 Apr-22-07 05:14:15 > > Bidder 8 US $4,000.00 Apr-25-07 00:49:30 > > >Could this be because of bid retractions or simply revising a bid? > >Are the times/dates local time or Ebay UTC? > >bye, >Said > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list >time-nuts@febo.com >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
JD
John Day
Fri, Apr 27, 2007 1:06 AM

At 04:17 PM 4/26/2007, you wrote:

In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time, rexa@sonic.net
writes:

Can  anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list
of  recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be one but it is  evading
me.

*Bidder*    Bid  Amount    Date of bid

Bidder 6    US $4,000.00  Apr-22-07  05:14:15
Bidder 8    US $4,000.00  Apr-25-07 00:49:30

Ebay processes the new bid, then checks for existing bids, so in this
case bidder 8 bid $4000 and became the high bidder, for just a
moment. Then ebay searches for any bids it has on hand to see if they
are exhausted, or as in this case bidder 6 had a bid in for the same
amount, placed earlier, so he goes to winning bidder.

John

Could this be because of bid retractions or simply revising a bid?

Are the times/dates local time or Ebay UTC?

bye,
Said

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At 04:17 PM 4/26/2007, you wrote: > >In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time, rexa@sonic.net >writes: > >Can anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list >of recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be one but it is evading >me. > > > > > *Bidder* Bid Amount Date of bid > > Bidder 6 US $4,000.00 Apr-22-07 05:14:15 > > Bidder 8 US $4,000.00 Apr-25-07 00:49:30 Ebay processes the new bid, then checks for existing bids, so in this case bidder 8 bid $4000 and became the high bidder, for just a moment. Then ebay searches for any bids it has on hand to see if they are exhausted, or as in this case bidder 6 had a bid in for the same amount, placed earlier, so he goes to winning bidder. John >Could this be because of bid retractions or simply revising a bid? > >Are the times/dates local time or Ebay UTC? > >bye, >Said > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list >time-nuts@febo.com >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
JD
John Day
Fri, Apr 27, 2007 1:20 AM

At 05:33 PM 4/26/2007, you wrote:

When I asked these questions of eBay; the unsatisfactory answer was that
only "actual" bids show.

This meaning a new bid submmitted would create new/ additional line,
similar to the series of bids on April 23.
Is not clear why this bidder put in so many bids within two minutes, since
no other bidder's 'proxy' bid shows as exceeding any of his bids.

Also does not explain following:  Bidder six placed bid on April 22, but
his bid does not show until after many other bids are placed on 23, 24, and
25 April.  It is expected he would show as a bidder if his bid was
4,000.

Sheesh! Think about the process.

Bidder 6 bids $4000 on the 22nd.

If you watch after each of the bids less than $4000 is placed bidder
6 goes to the top of the list. The system does not show the
intermediate steps in bidder 6's proxy progression, each time that
somebody makes a bid which is greater than the CURRENT bid amount, by
an amount equal to or greater than the computed bid increment it
becomes the current high bid, until eBay checks for remaining value
in a previously placed bid.

You would only see that if you were looking at the item at the right time.

John

If his bid was less, then he would have needed to bid again; which
eBay says would result in the new bid submission being displayed.

Tom Buehl

At 03:17 PM 4/26/2007, you wrote:

In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time, rexa@sonic.net
writes:

Can  anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list
of  recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be one but it is  evading
me.

*Bidder*    Bid  Amount    Date of bid

Bidder 6    US $4,000.00  Apr-22-07  05:14:15
Bidder 8    US $4,000.00  Apr-25-07 00:49:30

Could this be because of bid retractions or simply revising a bid?

Are the times/dates local time or Ebay UTC?

bye,
Said

************************************** See what's free at

At 05:33 PM 4/26/2007, you wrote: >When I asked these questions of eBay; the unsatisfactory answer was that >only "actual" bids show. > >This meaning a new bid submmitted would create new/ additional line, >similar to the series of bids on April 23. >Is not clear why this bidder put in so many bids within two minutes, since >no other bidder's 'proxy' bid shows as exceeding any of his bids. > >Also does not explain following: Bidder six placed bid on April 22, but >his bid does not show until after many other bids are placed on 23, 24, and >25 April. It is expected he would show as a bidder if his bid was >4,000. Sheesh! Think about the process. Bidder 6 bids $4000 on the 22nd. If you watch after each of the bids less than $4000 is placed bidder 6 goes to the top of the list. The system does not show the intermediate steps in bidder 6's proxy progression, each time that somebody makes a bid which is greater than the CURRENT bid amount, by an amount equal to or greater than the computed bid increment it becomes the current high bid, until eBay checks for remaining value in a previously placed bid. You would only see that if you were looking at the item at the right time. John > If his bid was less, then he would have needed to bid again; which >eBay says would result in the new bid submission being displayed. > >Tom Buehl > >At 03:17 PM 4/26/2007, you wrote: > > > >In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time, rexa@sonic.net > >writes: > > > >Can anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list > >of recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be one but it is evading > >me. > > > > > > > > *Bidder* Bid Amount Date of bid > > > Bidder 6 US $4,000.00 Apr-22-07 05:14:15 > > > Bidder 8 US $4,000.00 Apr-25-07 00:49:30 > > > > > >Could this be because of bid retractions or simply revising a bid? > > > >Are the times/dates local time or Ebay UTC? > > > >bye, > >Said > > > > > > > >************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > >_______________________________________________ > >time-nuts mailing list > >time-nuts@febo.com > >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list >time-nuts@febo.com >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts