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Greg Bowers
Tue, Nov 30, 2010 12:54 PM

That settles it!!  I too have always thought that soldering would be the
better way to go.  Now I get to buy a crimper.  I have a hand
stripper/crimper like most of us to that handles up to #10 wire.  I'm not
there but I believe that the largest wire I have on my boat is 2/0.  Those
are about 20' long and run from the location of the 8D house batteries to
the selector switch at the main panel near the helm.  Does that size sound
about right?

So, I need a manageable crimper with die sets up to the largest size I have
on my boat and some other sizes down to #8.  Can all those be found to fit
one tool?

I have also used heat shrink tubing on most of my work but just off the
shelf at the big box or Radio Shack.  You guys are mentioning "adhesive"
heat shrink.  Is that different?  Do I need to go to the electrical supply
store?

Thanks

Greg & Jane Bowers

Heart of Gold

http://www.seaplanetearth.com/

PS  Jane and I are going to be in Venice, Ft. Myers, Ft. Lauderdale, Ft.
Pierce area by car for a couple of weeks including Christmas and New Years
if anyone is interested in lunch or a beverage.

That settles it!! I too have always thought that soldering would be the better way to go. Now I get to buy a crimper. I have a hand stripper/crimper like most of us to that handles up to #10 wire. I'm not there but I believe that the largest wire I have on my boat is 2/0. Those are about 20' long and run from the location of the 8D house batteries to the selector switch at the main panel near the helm. Does that size sound about right? So, I need a manageable crimper with die sets up to the largest size I have on my boat and some other sizes down to #8. Can all those be found to fit one tool? I have also used heat shrink tubing on most of my work but just off the shelf at the big box or Radio Shack. You guys are mentioning "adhesive" heat shrink. Is that different? Do I need to go to the electrical supply store? Thanks Greg & Jane Bowers Heart of Gold http://www.seaplanetearth.com/ PS Jane and I are going to be in Venice, Ft. Myers, Ft. Lauderdale, Ft. Pierce area by car for a couple of weeks including Christmas and New Years if anyone is interested in lunch or a beverage.
MR
Mark Richter
Tue, Nov 30, 2010 2:01 PM

Greg,
Yes, adhesive lined heat-shrink tubing is different from the regular stuff,
and substantially more expensive.  If it doesn't say adhesive-lined in the
ad or on the package, it isn't.

And I just noticed crimping tools on www.genuinedealz.com.  The hammer-anvil
type is $30, and the long-handled compound type  (like mine) $231.  Both
tools cover from #6 to #4/0, with the expensive one also covering 250MCM (a
size larger than #4/0).

As to the size of your battery cables, it all depends.  We'd need to know
the total run length (from battery to switches to starter motor and back to
the battery negative terminal), and the starter motor current, or at least
the approximate engine size and make.  Some boats have very long cable runs
because of the battery switch location (like yours, it sounds like).
Sometimes the switch can be relocated to shorten the runs while still being
accessible in an emergency.

Mark Richter, "Winnie the Pooh", Ortona, FL on the Okeechbee Waterway
Mark's Mobile Marine
General boat repairs at my dock or yours
Specializing in electrical system design, installation and repair

----- Original Message -----

That settles it!!  I too have always thought that soldering would be the
better way to go.  Now I get to buy a crimper.  I have a hand
stripper/crimper like most of us to that handles up to #10 wire.  I'm not
there but I believe that the largest wire I have on my boat is 2/0.  Those
are about 20' long and run from the location of the 8D house batteries to
the selector switch at the main panel near the helm.  Does that size sound
about right?

So, I need a manageable crimper with die sets up to the largest size I
have
on my boat and some other sizes down to #8.  Can all those be found to fit
one tool?

I have also used heat shrink tubing on most of my work but just off the
shelf at the big box or Radio Shack.  You guys are mentioning "adhesive"
heat shrink.  Is that different?  Do I need to go to the electrical supply
store?

Greg, Yes, adhesive lined heat-shrink tubing is different from the regular stuff, and substantially more expensive. If it doesn't say adhesive-lined in the ad or on the package, it isn't. And I just noticed crimping tools on www.genuinedealz.com. The hammer-anvil type is $30, and the long-handled compound type (like mine) $231. Both tools cover from #6 to #4/0, with the expensive one also covering 250MCM (a size larger than #4/0). As to the size of your battery cables, it all depends. We'd need to know the total run length (from battery to switches to starter motor and back to the battery negative terminal), and the starter motor current, or at least the approximate engine size and make. Some boats have very long cable runs because of the battery switch location (like yours, it sounds like). Sometimes the switch can be relocated to shorten the runs while still being accessible in an emergency. Mark Richter, "Winnie the Pooh", Ortona, FL on the Okeechbee Waterway Mark's Mobile Marine General boat repairs at my dock or yours Specializing in electrical system design, installation and repair ----- Original Message ----- > That settles it!! I too have always thought that soldering would be the > better way to go. Now I get to buy a crimper. I have a hand > stripper/crimper like most of us to that handles up to #10 wire. I'm not > there but I believe that the largest wire I have on my boat is 2/0. Those > are about 20' long and run from the location of the 8D house batteries to > the selector switch at the main panel near the helm. Does that size sound > about right? > > So, I need a manageable crimper with die sets up to the largest size I > have > on my boat and some other sizes down to #8. Can all those be found to fit > one tool? > > I have also used heat shrink tubing on most of my work but just off the > shelf at the big box or Radio Shack. You guys are mentioning "adhesive" > heat shrink. Is that different? Do I need to go to the electrical supply > store?
FB
Frank Burrows
Tue, Nov 30, 2010 2:17 PM

This hydraulic crimper on ebay for $130 looks interesting:

http://tinyurl.com/2av8s7t

Frank Burrows    79 43' Viking  Piney Narrows  Chesapeake Bay

This hydraulic crimper on ebay for $130 looks interesting: *http://tinyurl.com/2av8s7t* Frank Burrows 79 43' Viking Piney Narrows Chesapeake Bay
K
KevinR
Tue, Nov 30, 2010 2:22 PM

-----Original Message-----
...........  I have a hand
stripper/crimper like most of us to that handles up to #10 wire

Greg's post raised an interesting side issue - that of crimping smaller
wires (< #8).

The el cheapo crimp tools that include a cutting edge and look like this
picture: http://tinyurl.com/23shqx7 produce a junk crimp that has no
business on a boat. That of course doesn't stop West Marine from selling
them since they make money off it, and most boaters don't know any better.
The 'crimp' that tool makes is just a squeeze from either side, making poor
electrical contact, and leaving plenty of room for corrosion and a very weak
mechanical bond.

A proper small wire crimp is made with a ratchet crimper that squeezes the
wire from all sides. For just a few dollars more that the el cheapo junk
tool, you can get the good ratchet crimper: http://tinyurl.com/24o78dp

Kevin

> -----Original Message----- > ........... I have a hand > stripper/crimper like most of us to that handles up to #10 wire Greg's post raised an interesting side issue - that of crimping smaller wires (< #8). The el cheapo crimp tools that include a cutting edge and look like this picture: http://tinyurl.com/23shqx7 produce a junk crimp that has no business on a boat. That of course doesn't stop West Marine from selling them since they make money off it, and most boaters don't know any better. The 'crimp' that tool makes is just a squeeze from either side, making poor electrical contact, and leaving plenty of room for corrosion and a very weak mechanical bond. A proper small wire crimp is made with a ratchet crimper that squeezes the wire from all sides. For just a few dollars more that the el cheapo junk tool, you can get the good ratchet crimper: http://tinyurl.com/24o78dp Kevin
RR
Ron Rogers
Tue, Nov 30, 2010 4:19 PM

The same Chinese crimper sells for $48 to $68 at Harbor Freight as
referenced previously. Paying double doesn't make it better.

Ron Rogers

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Frank Burrows fburrows@mail.com wrote:

This hydraulic crimper on ebay for $130 looks interesting:

http://tinyurl.com/2av8s7t

The same Chinese crimper sells for $48 to $68 at Harbor Freight as referenced previously. Paying double doesn't make it better. Ron Rogers On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Frank Burrows <fburrows@mail.com> wrote: > This hydraulic crimper on ebay for $130 looks interesting: > > *http://tinyurl.com/2av8s7t*
FB
Frank Burrows
Tue, Nov 30, 2010 5:58 PM

Actually these are quite different. They crimp much larger cable than
the Harbor Freight ones.

On 11/30/2010 11:19 AM, Ron Rogers wrote:

The same Chinese crimper sells for $48 to $68 at Harbor Freight as
referenced previously. Paying double doesn't make it better.

 http://tinyurl.com/2av8s7t <http://tinyurl.com/2av8s7t*>

Frank Burrows    79 43' Viking  Piney Narrows  Chesapeake Bay

Actually these are quite different. They crimp much larger cable than the Harbor Freight ones. On 11/30/2010 11:19 AM, Ron Rogers wrote: > The same Chinese crimper sells for $48 to $68 at Harbor Freight as > referenced previously. Paying double doesn't make it better. > > > http://tinyurl.com/2av8s7t <http://tinyurl.com/2av8s7t*> > Frank Burrows 79 43' Viking Piney Narrows Chesapeake Bay