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BBC Radio Pips

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Stephen Tompsett
Tue, Jan 30, 2024 4:46 PM

Program on BBC Radio 4 on Monday 5th February

Do We Still Need the Pips? https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001w0yw

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Stephen Tompsett

Program on BBC Radio 4 on Monday 5th February Do We Still Need the Pips? <https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001w0yw> -- Stephen Tompsett
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Philip Gladstone
Thu, Feb 1, 2024 10:33 PM

I recall, back in the 60s, my father measuring his homemade pendulum clock
against the pips each morning. He used a homemade timer to measure the
difference between the start of a pip to the pendulum signal in hundredths
of a second -- making use of the 50Hz mains to generate the 100Hz to drive
the counter.

60 years later, technology has advanced a bit! However, the town where I
live does sound its fire horn every day at noon -- presumably so that
people can set their clocks. Maybe everybody has a mobile phone these days
and can get an accurate time that way....

Philip

On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 5:06 PM Stephen Tompsett via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

Program on BBC Radio 4 on Monday 5th February

Do We Still Need the Pips? https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001w0yw

--
Stephen Tompsett


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I recall, back in the 60s, my father measuring his homemade pendulum clock against the pips each morning. He used a homemade timer to measure the difference between the start of a pip to the pendulum signal in hundredths of a second -- making use of the 50Hz mains to generate the 100Hz to drive the counter. 60 years later, technology has advanced a bit! However, the town where I live does sound its fire horn every day at noon -- presumably so that people can set their clocks. Maybe everybody has a mobile phone these days and can get an accurate time that way.... Philip On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 5:06 PM Stephen Tompsett via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Program on BBC Radio 4 on Monday 5th February > > Do We Still Need the Pips? <https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001w0yw> > > -- > Stephen Tompsett > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com >
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glenlist
Thu, Feb 1, 2024 11:36 PM

maybe.

the problem is many audio streams do not have presentation time stamps.
(PTS) IE when to present it (absolute time)

Video+audio streams have relative PTSs  to ensure lip sync once
presented to the user.

I have 3 different DAB radio sets in my house and they ALL have
different presentation  delays so having the cricket on in different
rooms with different radios is a audible delay mess.

On 2/02/2024 9:33 am, Philip Gladstone via time-nuts wrote:

I recall, back in the 60s, my father measuring his homemade pendulum clock
against the pips each morning. He used a homemade timer to measure the
difference between the start of a pip to the pendulum signal in hundredths
of a second -- making use of the 50Hz mains to generate the 100Hz to drive
the counter.

60 years later, technology has advanced a bit! However, the town where I
live does sound its fire horn every day at noon -- presumably so that
people can set their clocks. Maybe everybody has a mobile phone these days
and can get an accurate time that way....

Philip

maybe. the problem is many audio streams do not have presentation time stamps. (PTS) IE when to present it (absolute time) Video+audio streams have relative PTSs  to ensure lip sync once presented to the user. I have 3 different DAB radio sets in my house and they ALL have different presentation  delays so having the cricket on in different rooms with different radios is a audible delay mess. On 2/02/2024 9:33 am, Philip Gladstone via time-nuts wrote: > I recall, back in the 60s, my father measuring his homemade pendulum clock > against the pips each morning. He used a homemade timer to measure the > difference between the start of a pip to the pendulum signal in hundredths > of a second -- making use of the 50Hz mains to generate the 100Hz to drive > the counter. > > 60 years later, technology has advanced a bit! However, the town where I > live does sound its fire horn every day at noon -- presumably so that > people can set their clocks. Maybe everybody has a mobile phone these days > and can get an accurate time that way.... > > Philip >