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Nobeltec Radar vs. Furuno Radar (or others)

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Dale Klahn
Thu, Dec 15, 2005 4:03 PM

First, I'll say that I searched the archives and have found a great deal of
interesting information regarding PC vs. Proprietary systems.  All great
information, but the information that I'm looking for is more specific.

I've most likely narrowed my electronics purchase down to either a Nobeltec/PC
based system with 24" radome, or the Furuno VX2 1833c (also a 24" radome).  I
have adopted the opinion from reading previous posts and from other sources
that the Furuno radar is probably my best choice in terms of quality.

My remaining question is the comparison between the quality of radar with the
Nobeltec system.  Does anyone have any opinions on how they would rate both
the quality of the physical equipment and the quality of the image displayed
in regard to the newer Furuno or any other major manufacturers?

PS:  I understand from talking to the local Furuno sales rep that the radomes
supplied with the 10" units are superior to the same size radomes supplied
with the 7" displays.  Don't know if that's a true statement, or an attempt to
"up sell", but I want a 10" display anyway.

First, I'll say that I searched the archives and have found a great deal of interesting information regarding PC vs. Proprietary systems. All great information, but the information that I'm looking for is more specific. I've most likely narrowed my electronics purchase down to either a Nobeltec/PC based system with 24" radome, or the Furuno VX2 1833c (also a 24" radome). I have adopted the opinion from reading previous posts and from other sources that the Furuno radar is probably my best choice in terms of quality. My remaining question is the comparison between the quality of radar with the Nobeltec system. Does anyone have any opinions on how they would rate both the quality of the physical equipment and the quality of the image displayed in regard to the newer Furuno or any other major manufacturers? PS: I understand from talking to the local Furuno sales rep that the radomes supplied with the 10" units are superior to the same size radomes supplied with the 7" displays. Don't know if that's a true statement, or an attempt to "up sell", but I want a 10" display anyway.
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Mike Maurice
Thu, Dec 15, 2005 7:08 PM

"Dale Klahn" Dale.Klahn@metrogr.org
At 11:03 AM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:

PS:  I understand from talking to the local Furuno sales rep that the radomes
supplied with the 10" units are superior to the same size radomes supplied
with the 7" displays.  Don't know if that's a true statement, or an attempt to
"up sell", but I want a 10" display anyway.

The radomes used are generally the same regardless of the display. In
other words, there may be 3 or maybe 4 radomes in the Furuno line and
they are the same used whether the display is 10" or 7". You can mix
and match as far as that goes. If you want better performance than a
radome will supply, you have to go to a open array. Do not interpret
this as meaning the same radome is used with a 10" as a 7", only that
in practical terms you can find a package model that will use most
any radome with any display. The manufacturers don't normally supply
a display and transmitter system that are a poor combination. But you
could make such a combination if you wanted to.

Capt. Mike Maurice
Tualatin(Portland), Oregon

"Dale Klahn" <Dale.Klahn@metrogr.org> At 11:03 AM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote: >PS: I understand from talking to the local Furuno sales rep that the radomes >supplied with the 10" units are superior to the same size radomes supplied >with the 7" displays. Don't know if that's a true statement, or an attempt to >"up sell", but I want a 10" display anyway. The radomes used are generally the same regardless of the display. In other words, there may be 3 or maybe 4 radomes in the Furuno line and they are the same used whether the display is 10" or 7". You can mix and match as far as that goes. If you want better performance than a radome will supply, you have to go to a open array. Do not interpret this as meaning the same radome is used with a 10" as a 7", only that in practical terms you can find a package model that will use most any radome with any display. The manufacturers don't normally supply a display and transmitter system that are a poor combination. But you could make such a combination if you wanted to. Capt. Mike Maurice Tualatin(Portland), Oregon
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Bob Peterson
Thu, Dec 15, 2005 7:15 PM

Dale and Mike, I have both Furuno 10" (pilothouse) and 7" (flyingbridge)
displays fed from the same radome, as do many.  The radome works perfectly
with both displays.  My Furuno source tells me they have only one series of
radomes, which work with both type displays.  Sounds like a crude attempt to
get you to part with more $$$.

Bob Peterson
47' Lien Hwa CMY
"Lopaka Nane"
San Francisco

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Maurice
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Subject: Re: T&T: Nobeltec Radar vs. Furuno Radar (or others)

"Dale Klahn" Dale.Klahn@metrogr.org
At 11:03 AM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:

PS:  I understand from talking to the local Furuno sales rep that the
radomes supplied with the 10" units are superior to the same size
radomes supplied with the 7" displays.  Don't know if that's a true
statement, or an attempt to "up sell", but I want a 10" display anyway.

The radomes used are generally the same regardless of the display. In other
words, there may be 3 or maybe 4 radomes in the Furuno line and they are the
same used whether the display is 10" or 7". You can mix and match as far as
that goes. If you want better performance than a radome will supply, you
have to go to a open array. Do not interpret this as meaning the same radome
is used with a 10" as a 7", only that in practical terms you can find a
package model that will use most any radome with any display. The
manufacturers don't normally supply a display and transmitter system that
are a poor combination. But you could make such a combination if you wanted
to.

Capt. Mike Maurice
Tualatin(Portland), Oregon

Dale and Mike, I have both Furuno 10" (pilothouse) and 7" (flyingbridge) displays fed from the same radome, as do many. The radome works perfectly with both displays. My Furuno source tells me they have only one series of radomes, which work with both type displays. Sounds like a crude attempt to get you to part with more $$$. Bob Peterson 47' Lien Hwa CMY "Lopaka Nane" San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Mike Maurice Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:09 AM To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com Subject: Re: T&T: Nobeltec Radar vs. Furuno Radar (or others) "Dale Klahn" <Dale.Klahn@metrogr.org> At 11:03 AM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote: >PS: I understand from talking to the local Furuno sales rep that the >radomes supplied with the 10" units are superior to the same size >radomes supplied with the 7" displays. Don't know if that's a true >statement, or an attempt to "up sell", but I want a 10" display anyway. The radomes used are generally the same regardless of the display. In other words, there may be 3 or maybe 4 radomes in the Furuno line and they are the same used whether the display is 10" or 7". You can mix and match as far as that goes. If you want better performance than a radome will supply, you have to go to a open array. Do not interpret this as meaning the same radome is used with a 10" as a 7", only that in practical terms you can find a package model that will use most any radome with any display. The manufacturers don't normally supply a display and transmitter system that are a poor combination. But you could make such a combination if you wanted to. Capt. Mike Maurice Tualatin(Portland), Oregon
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Ron Rogers
Fri, Dec 16, 2005 1:13 AM

I have a 10.4"  with a 24" 4KW antenna. Also have a 7" Furuno radar/plotter
head. Hard to imagine they make two different 24", 4KW antennas. Check beam
width for each package on Furuno's website - they're probably the same. The
10.4" has a trackball while the 7" has a miserable cursor. Furuno has
excellent telephone tech support based in Washington State. I'm betting the
salesman's full of it.

What controls do you have ready access to within Nobletech's software? Will
you be sitting close enough to the laptop's or  PC's screen to be able to
read the control labels and act? I would at least like to run a simulator at
my helm station and/or in my helm chair.

Ron Rogers

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Klahn" Dale.Klahn@metrogr.org|
|
| PS:  I understand from talking to the local Furuno sales rep that the
radomes
| supplied with the 10" units are superior to the same size radomes supplied
| with the 7" displays.  Don't know if that's a true statement, or an
attempt to
| "up sell", but I want a 10" display anyway.

I have a 10.4" with a 24" 4KW antenna. Also have a 7" Furuno radar/plotter head. Hard to imagine they make two different 24", 4KW antennas. Check beam width for each package on Furuno's website - they're probably the same. The 10.4" has a trackball while the 7" has a miserable cursor. Furuno has excellent telephone tech support based in Washington State. I'm betting the salesman's full of it. What controls do you have ready access to within Nobletech's software? Will you be sitting close enough to the laptop's or PC's screen to be able to read the control labels and act? I would at least like to run a simulator at my helm station and/or in my helm chair. Ron Rogers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Klahn" <Dale.Klahn@metrogr.org>| | | PS: I understand from talking to the local Furuno sales rep that the radomes | supplied with the 10" units are superior to the same size radomes supplied | with the 7" displays. Don't know if that's a true statement, or an attempt to | "up sell", but I want a 10" display anyway.