Hi Joe, 40dB is not needed when you have a short (<10m) /good antenna cable. Then 26dB will be plenty fine. Howver going to 20 or 30+ meters using standard RG58 will be a problem with 26dB. Ofcause what matters is the attenuation at L1 with your cable. Better cable can be longer... You do not need an spectrum/network analyzer. Take a your antenna and receiver to a good site, if you installation site might be marginal. Your C/N0 (snr) should be around or above 50dBHz for high elevation satellites. Then compare the C/N0 values for you antenna at your workshop, to see how much worse than "perfect" that site is. If using a Tbolt remember to change from Trimble AMU into dBHz. Note that LNA dB amplification not generally translate direcly into dB carrier to noise ratio. -- Björn PS I got a small batch of HP timing antennas new in box for around $25 a piece some years ago... :-) DS > Mine arrived in the same manner. It works but I can't tell any real > difference between it and my 26 dB antenna, switching between them when > mounted on the corner of the roof of my workshop. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Krull > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:40 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent 40 dB Antenna > > Just got mine, from "Just_for_survive" on eBay. Poorest packing job I've > ever seen for an international package. Three wraps of newsprint and a > thin padded envelope. I'll know this weekend if its operational. > > Steve > > > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: > >> My Lucent antenna arrived today. I scrounged some adapters >> and connected it to my Thunderbolt. Two birds were visible >> with AMU > 4 when I held the antenna. My Droid 3 could not >> see any birds through the wet roof. >> >> The unit has some dings and scrapes but no visible corrosion. >> >> I am tempted to take it apart but don't wish to break a unit >> which seems to be working well. >> >> Has anyone compared this antenna with the mushroom that >> came from China with the used Thunderbolts??? >> >> -- >> Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R caf@omen.com www.omen.com >> Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications >> Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" >> 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

Hi You were lucky with your HOA. Around here, things aren't quite that easy. Even spending the bucks about the only thing you can put up are a single 1 meter DISH antenna. Bob On Apr 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, lists@lazygranch.com wrote: > For the dishes and HD antennas, I just found the FCC rules and gave them to the person that wanted to put up the antennas. Basically you cite chapter and verse and the HOA caves. > > The TV stations and dish companies did all the federal lobby work, and federal law trumps everything. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Camp <lists@rtty.us> > Sender: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:12:44 > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement<time-nuts@febo.com> > Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > <time-nuts@febo.com> > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent 40 dB Antenna > > Hi > > The problem is that you can easily spend $10K proving to them that they can't enforce the silly rules…. > > Bob > > > On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:49 PM, lists@lazygranch.com wrote: > >> Most of those no antenna rules can't be enforced. They can control the color of the antenna. Yes, really. For example, CONUS, you can have any number of 1 meter dishes. You might have to paint the dish. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve <steve-krull@cox.net> >> Sender: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com >> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:31:16 >> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement<time-nuts@febo.com> >> Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >> <time-nuts@febo.com> >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent 40 dB Antenna >> >> Paul, >> >> I believe I read in an earlier post that someone was using one of these with a Tbolt, which is 5 volts to the antenna. Hope I'm not mistaken! I didn't hear any rattles when I shook the unit so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. They do appear to be pretty rugged so I'm hoping for the best. The reply from the seller ignored my poor packing complaint and said "this is used, it can not all are the same. our guaranteed is you can ask for refund if it can not works." I assume they have a boatload of them bought very cheaply and they are playing the odds that they will make more from replacing a few that don't survive shipping than they would if they spent a bit more on packing material for all shipments. >> >> We live in a National Historic District so no outdoor antennas here. My antennas are in the attic above the third floor, putting them about 40 ft AGL. So far the shingled roof hasn't been a major obstacle and the GPS antennas are above the HVAC ductwork. I'll see if there's any difference between this antenna and the HP that's on the Z3816 now. >> >> 73, >> Steve >> WB0DBS >> >> >> On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:52 PM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Steve will be interesting to hear how it goes. Thats a reasonable price it >>> seems and the antenna looks like it could handle abuse pretty well. Any >>> idea if its a 5 volt unit or actually any other detail? >>> Regards >>> Paul >>> WB8TSL >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Steve Krull <steve-krull@cox.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Just got mine, from "Just_for_survive" on eBay. Poorest packing job I've >>>> ever seen for an international package. Three wraps of newsprint and a thin >>>> padded envelope. I'll know this weekend if its operational. >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: >>>> >>>> My Lucent antenna arrived today. I scrounged some adapters >>>>> and connected it to my Thunderbolt. Two birds were visible >>>>> with AMU > 4 when I held the antenna. My Droid 3 could not >>>>> see any birds through the wet roof. >>>>> >>>>> The unit has some dings and scrapes but no visible corrosion. >>>>> >>>>> I am tempted to take it apart but don't wish to break a unit >>>>> which seems to be working well. >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone compared this antenna with the mushroom that >>>>> came from China with the used Thunderbolts??? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R caf@omen.com www.omen.com >>>>> Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications >>>>> Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" >>>>> 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** >>>>> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** >>>> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

40 dB gain for me. Joe -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Knox Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:55 PM To: Time-Nuts Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent 40 dB Antenna Is everyone buying these because they have 40dB gain or because they are the only reasonably priced GPS timing antennas on eBay right now? Thomas Knox > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:05:05 -0400 > From: paulswedb@gmail.com > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent 40 dB Antenna > > Boy thats pretty nasty indeed > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Tom Knox <actast@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > The seller should be ashamed for selling something that beat up as > > working. > > > > Thomas Knox > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:57:40 -0700 > > > From: pete@petelancashire.com > > > To: time-nuts@febo.com > > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent 40 dB Antenna > > > > > > Here is what looks like from the inside > > > > > > > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/111617808980322733757/albums/5731 > > 068554075953249 > > > > > > Photo 2 and 3 show what impact to the screws to hold the two > > > pieces together can do. > > > > > > -pete > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Pete Lancashire > > > <pete@petelancashire.com> wrote: > > > > That is the seller I got mine from. I still argee with Paul, > > > > unless > > you think > > > > the seal between the two halves has been broken don't pull it > > > > apart. > > I'll > > > > post the photos I took of mine. And when I get it back from > > > > being > > resealed > > > > will see if it works or not (Should have done that first .. > > > > duh). > > > > > > > > -pete > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Steve Krull > > > > <steve-krull@cox.net> > > wrote: > > > >> Just got mine, from "Just_for_survive" on eBay. Poorest packing > > > >> job > > I've > > > >> ever seen for an international package. Three wraps of > > > >> newsprint and > > a thin > > > >> padded envelope. I'll know this weekend if its operational. > > > >> > > > >> Steve > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> My Lucent antenna arrived today. I scrounged some adapters > > > >>> and connected it to my Thunderbolt. Two birds were visible > > > >>> with AMU > 4 when I held the antenna. My Droid 3 could not > > > >>> see any birds through the wet roof. > > > >>> > > > >>> The unit has some dings and scrapes but no visible corrosion. > > > >>> > > > >>> I am tempted to take it apart but don't wish to break a unit > > > >>> which seems to be working well. > > > >>> > > > >>> Has anyone compared this antenna with the mushroom that came > > > >>> from China with the used Thunderbolts??? > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R caf@omen.com www.omen.com > > > >>> Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications > > > >>> Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" > > > >>> 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430 > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > >>> To unsubscribe, go to > > > >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > >>> and follow the instructions there. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > >> To unsubscribe, go to > > > >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > >> and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Bjorn, My setup is a Lucent 26 dB antenna on a bracket on the edge of the roof at the corner of my workshop feeding about 20 feet of 9913 coax (7.5 dB attenuation per 100 feet @ 2.4 GHz) to a 58536A four way splitter that feeds a Z3816A, Z3805A, TBolt, with a 'spare' for playing with. The splitter uses about 2 feet of 9913 to the Z3816A and the Z3805A and the TBolt is fed with about 6 feet of RG58 with BNC connectors and adapters for BNC to F and BNC to N. With SatStat and a Z3816A, C/N is typically 30 to 50. With TBoltMon or Lady Heather and a TBolt, dBc also typically 30 to 50. I didn't see much difference on either with switching antennas but I suspect I have a fair amount of signal to start with (Lat of 30 degrees but under trees). Joe -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of bg@lysator.liu.se Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 5:52 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent 40 dB Antenna Hi Joe, 40dB is not needed when you have a short (<10m) /good antenna cable. Then 26dB will be plenty fine. Howver going to 20 or 30+ meters using standard RG58 will be a problem with 26dB. Ofcause what matters is the attenuation at L1 with your cable. Better cable can be longer... You do not need an spectrum/network analyzer. Take a your antenna and receiver to a good site, if you installation site might be marginal. Your C/N0 (snr) should be around or above 50dBHz for high elevation satellites. Then compare the C/N0 values for you antenna at your workshop, to see how much worse than "perfect" that site is. If using a Tbolt remember to change from Trimble AMU into dBHz. Note that LNA dB amplification not generally translate direcly into dB carrier to noise ratio. -- Björn PS I got a small batch of HP timing antennas new in box for around $25 a piece some years ago... :-) DS > Mine arrived in the same manner. It works but I can't tell any real > difference between it and my 26 dB antenna, switching between them when > mounted on the corner of the roof of my workshop. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Krull > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:40 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent 40 dB Antenna > > Just got mine, from "Just_for_survive" on eBay. Poorest packing job I've > ever seen for an international package. Three wraps of newsprint and a > thin padded envelope. I'll know this weekend if its operational. > > Steve > > > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: > >> My Lucent antenna arrived today. I scrounged some adapters >> and connected it to my Thunderbolt. Two birds were visible >> with AMU > 4 when I held the antenna. My Droid 3 could not >> see any birds through the wet roof. >> >> The unit has some dings and scrapes but no visible corrosion. >> >> I am tempted to take it apart but don't wish to break a unit >> which seems to be working well. >> >> Has anyone compared this antenna with the mushroom that >> came from China with the used Thunderbolts??? >> >> -- >> Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R caf@omen.com www.omen.com >> Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications >> Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" >> 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

I think I got lucky. Despite the almost nonexistent packing, my antenna looks like "reasonable wear and tear" for a used item and didn't suffer much from shipping, and it passed an operational check on the bench today. Setup was an 8566B SA as receiver, bias tee on the input, 5vdc to the antenna, and about 10 inches of RG8 to the Lucent antenna, which was hand held. The source was a GS-100 GPS simulator into a log periodic that was only designed for 400 - 1000MHz but it was what I had in reach. Distance between the source antenna and the DUT was about 12". A far from optimal, cobbled together setup but it was quick and easy. With the GS-100 output connected to the SA through 18" of RG8, the signal level was set to -70 dbm for a reference. When the aforementioned crude lash up was put in place with the antenna powered up, the signal level on the SA increased 10-12 db. This was far from scientific but it gives me enough confidence that at next opportunity I can take it up into the attic for further testing. Steve On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:57 PM, Pete Lancashire <pete@petelancashire.com> wrote: > Here is what looks like from the inside > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/111617808980322733757/albums/5731068554075953249 > > Photo 2 and 3 show what impact to the screws to hold the two pieces > together can do. > > -pete > > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Pete Lancashire > <pete@petelancashire.com> wrote: >> That is the seller I got mine from. I still argee with Paul, unless you think >> the seal between the two halves has been broken don't pull it apart. I'll >> post the photos I took of mine. And when I get it back from being resealed >> will see if it works or not (Should have done that first .. duh). >> >> -pete >> >> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Steve Krull <steve-krull@cox.net> wrote: >>> Just got mine, from "Just_for_survive" on eBay. Poorest packing job I've >>> ever seen for an international package. Three wraps of newsprint and a thin >>> padded envelope. I'll know this weekend if its operational. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: >>> >>>> My Lucent antenna arrived today. I scrounged some adapters >>>> and connected it to my Thunderbolt. Two birds were visible >>>> with AMU > 4 when I held the antenna. My Droid 3 could not >>>> see any birds through the wet roof. >>>> >>>> The unit has some dings and scrapes but no visible corrosion. >>>> >>>> I am tempted to take it apart but don't wish to break a unit >>>> which seems to be working well. >>>> >>>> Has anyone compared this antenna with the mushroom that >>>> came from China with the used Thunderbolts??? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R caf@omen.com www.omen.com >>>> Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications >>>> Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" >>>> 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

RAF Mormond Hill in Scotland, and what was referred to back then as "Site 41, NATO, Location Classified". Getting there and back was a real hoot, and all my expense reports said on them was "Top Secret - pay as recorded, no receipts allowed" I was told that just before decommissioning in (I think) 1992, NATO, the Danish Air Force, and the USAF acknowledged the presence of a "radar and communications station known as Site 41" in the Faeroe Islands. There was also a LORAN-C station there, and some Navy comm equipment of some sort in one of the tropo radio rooms. Don't know why the location was classified - the Russian Navy watched it being built and monitored it continuously... Steve On 4/13/2012 9:09 PM, J. L. Trantham wrote: > Where did you do troposcatter? I was a co-op student with AT&T and worked > on their troposcatter system from Homestead, FL, to Nassau, Bahamas. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Krull > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:06 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent 40 dB Antenna > > Too bad there wasn't an amateur radio allocation at 902 MHz in the early > 1970's - the troposcatter stations I serviced would have been awesome - > 2x 10Kw into paired 60' dishes, but no az or el control! > 73, > Steve > > > On 4/13/2012 7:50 PM, paul swed wrote: >> Hmmm nat hist. Makes for a good challenge. >> I was successful in the Navy at hiding antennas on the ships mast and >> barracks. >> Suspect I could have had a bit more trouble as I think about it these > days. >> Regards >> Paul >> >> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Steve<steve-krull@cox.net> wrote: >> >>> Paul, >>> >>> I believe I read in an earlier post that someone was using one of these >>> with a Tbolt, which is 5 volts to the antenna. Hope I'm not mistaken! I >>> didn't hear any rattles when I shook the unit so I'm keeping my fingers >>> crossed. They do appear to be pretty rugged so I'm hoping for the best. > The >>> reply from the seller ignored my poor packing complaint and said "this is >>> used, it can not all are the same. our guaranteed is you can ask for > refund >>> if it can not works." I assume they have a boatload of them bought very >>> cheaply and they are playing the odds that they will make more from >>> replacing a few that don't survive shipping than they would if they spent > a >>> bit more on packing material for all shipments. >>> >>> We live in a National Historic District so no outdoor antennas here. My >>> antennas are in the attic above the third floor, putting them about 40 ft >>> AGL. So far the shingled roof hasn't been a major obstacle and the GPS >>> antennas are above the HVAC ductwork. I'll see if there's any difference >>> between this antenna and the HP that's on the Z3816 now. >>> >>> 73, >>> Steve >>> WB0DBS >>> >>> >>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:52 PM, paul swed<paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Steve will be interesting to hear how it goes. Thats a reasonable price >>> it >>>> seems and the antenna looks like it could handle abuse pretty well. Any >>>> idea if its a 5 volt unit or actually any other detail? >>>> Regards >>>> Paul >>>> WB8TSL >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Steve Krull<steve-krull@cox.net> >>> wrote: >>>>> Just got mine, from "Just_for_survive" on eBay. Poorest packing job > I've >>>>> ever seen for an international package. Three wraps of newsprint and a >>> thin >>>>> padded envelope. I'll know this weekend if its operational. >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: >>>>> >>>>> My Lucent antenna arrived today. I scrounged some adapters >>>>>> and connected it to my Thunderbolt. Two birds were visible >>>>>> with AMU> 4 when I held the antenna. My Droid 3 could not >>>>>> see any birds through the wet roof. >>>>>> >>>>>> The unit has some dings and scrapes but no visible corrosion. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am tempted to take it apart but don't wish to break a unit >>>>>> which seems to be working well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Has anyone compared this antenna with the mushroom that >>>>>> came from China with the used Thunderbolts??? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R caf@omen.com www.omen.com >>>>>> Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications >>>>>> Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" >>>>>> 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** >>>>>> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts< >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> >>>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** >>>>> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts< >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

> Is everyone buying these because they have 40dB gain or because they are > the only reasonably priced GPS timing antennas on eBay right now? > > Thomas Knox Thomas, I bought mine because of the gain, but on +5V it performs worse than a "38 dBi" antenna, quite a lot worse. I'm wonder whether it needs more volts, or whether it's simply broken. It was ex-equipment, and not in very good shape, but it was described as "used" so I'll just write off the loss, I suppose. BTW: I did appreciate the discussion on Chinese 'scopes - I ended up getting a DS1052E and I'm delighted with it, considering the price. Cheers, David -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk

On 04/24/2012 07:40 AM, David J Taylor wrote: >> Is everyone buying these because they have 40dB gain or because they >> are the only reasonably priced GPS timing antennas on eBay right now? >> >> Thomas Knox > > Thomas, > > I bought mine because of the gain, but on +5V it performs worse than a > "38 dBi" antenna, quite a lot worse. I'm wonder whether it needs more > volts, or whether it's simply broken. It was ex-equipment, and not in > very good shape, but it was described as "used" so I'll just write off > the loss, I suppose. > > BTW: I did appreciate the discussion on Chinese 'scopes - I ended up > getting a DS1052E and I'm delighted with it, considering the price. > > Cheers, > David My Tbolt with a Lucent 40 dB antenna was able to pick up two birds in my office during a rainy period. A Droid held next to it did not see any birds. I have not gotten around to trying the Lucent outside. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R caf@omen.com www.omen.com Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430