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Arash Jafari
Tue, Jul 14, 2020 9:38 AM

Hello everybody,

Does anybody know what is the maximum input power level of USRP-X310 in RX
modus?
National Instrument congratulation!! very bad documentation.

Kind regards,
Arash.

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Hello everybody, Does anybody know what is the maximum input power level of USRP-X310 in RX modus? National Instrument congratulation!! very bad documentation. Kind regards, Arash. -- Dipl.-Ing. Arash Jafari Phone: +43 650 844 3617 E-mail: arash.jafari.telecom@gmail.com
MM
Marcus Müller
Tue, Jul 14, 2020 9:53 AM

Hi Arash,

The input power is not defined by the motherboard (X310) you're using,
but by the analog frontend daughterboard (like TwinRX, UBX-160, SBX,…)
you've plugged in to these.

On 14.07.20 11:38, Arash Jafari via USRP-users wrote:

National Instrument congratulation!! very bad documentation.

Best regards,
Marcus Müller

Hi Arash, The input power is not defined by the motherboard (X310) you're using, but by the analog frontend daughterboard (like TwinRX, UBX-160, SBX,…) you've plugged in to these. On 14.07.20 11:38, Arash Jafari via USRP-users wrote: > National Instrument congratulation!! very bad documentation. … Best regards, Marcus Müller
MD
Marcus D. Leech
Tue, Jul 14, 2020 1:55 PM

On 07/14/2020 05:53 AM, Marcus Müller via USRP-users wrote:

Hi Arash,

The input power is not defined by the motherboard (X310) you're using,
but by the analog frontend daughterboard (like TwinRX, UBX-160, SBX,…)
you've plugged in to these.

On 07/14/2020 05:53 AM, Marcus Müller via USRP-users wrote: > Hi Arash, > > The input power is not defined by the motherboard (X310) you're using, > but by the analog frontend daughterboard (like TwinRX, UBX-160, SBX,…) > you've plugged in to these. > For example, see the "Care and Handling" for the SBX here: https://kb.ettus.com/SBX_Getting_Started_Guides#Proper_Care_and_Handling And for the TwinRx https://kb.ettus.com/TwinRX_Getting_Started_Guides#Proper_Care_and_Handling
JM
Joe Martin
Tue, Jul 14, 2020 2:10 PM

Arash,

While Marcus’ response is certainly correct it does little in providing a practical answer to your question.

I use an X310 with TwinRX daughterboards and have found that it is inadvisable to use input levels to the TwinRX daughterboard greater than -30dBm because higher levels than that tend to result in distortion/compression issues.  I don’t know what the damage threshold is for the input ports on the TwinRX daughterboard.  For my radio astronomy applications I use an input level of -60dBm and that seems to work quite well for me.  I don’t know if other daughterboards for the X310 have different input-level behavior.  Perhaps this response will give you ball park answers that you can use.

Regards,

Joe

On Jul 14, 2020, at 3:53 AM, Marcus Müller via USRP-users usrp-users@lists.ettus.com wrote:

Hi Arash,

The input power is not defined by the motherboard (X310) you're using,
but by the analog frontend daughterboard (like TwinRX, UBX-160, SBX,…)
you've plugged in to these.

On 14.07.20 11:38, Arash Jafari via USRP-users wrote:

National Instrument congratulation!! very bad documentation.

Arash, While Marcus’ response is certainly correct it does little in providing a practical answer to your question. I use an X310 with TwinRX daughterboards and have found that it is inadvisable to use input levels to the TwinRX daughterboard greater than -30dBm because higher levels than that tend to result in distortion/compression issues. I don’t know what the damage threshold is for the input ports on the TwinRX daughterboard. For my radio astronomy applications I use an input level of -60dBm and that seems to work quite well for me. I don’t know if other daughterboards for the X310 have different input-level behavior. Perhaps this response will give you ball park answers that you can use. Regards, Joe > On Jul 14, 2020, at 3:53 AM, Marcus Müller via USRP-users <usrp-users@lists.ettus.com> wrote: > > Hi Arash, > > The input power is not defined by the motherboard (X310) you're using, > but by the analog frontend daughterboard (like TwinRX, UBX-160, SBX,…) > you've plugged in to these. > > On 14.07.20 11:38, Arash Jafari via USRP-users wrote: >> National Instrument congratulation!! very bad documentation. > > … > > Best regards, > Marcus Müller > > _______________________________________________ > USRP-users mailing list > USRP-users@lists.ettus.com > http://lists.ettus.com/mailman/listinfo/usrp-users_lists.ettus.com
JM
Joe Martin
Tue, Jul 14, 2020 2:17 PM

Arash,

Marcus L.’s response has some definitive info in the links.  For example, in the TwinRX link it is stated:

Never apply more than +10 dBm of power into any RF input.

So there you have it.  Thanks for the details Marcus.

Regards,

Joe

On Jul 14, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users usrp-users@lists.ettus.com wrote:

On 07/14/2020 05:53 AM, Marcus Müller via USRP-users wrote:

Hi Arash,

The input power is not defined by the motherboard (X310) you're using,
but by the analog frontend daughterboard (like TwinRX, UBX-160, SBX,…)
you've plugged in to these.

Arash, Marcus L.’s response has some definitive info in the links. For example, in the TwinRX link it is stated: > Never apply more than +10 dBm of power into any RF input. So there you have it. Thanks for the details Marcus. Regards, Joe > On Jul 14, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users <usrp-users@lists.ettus.com> wrote: > > On 07/14/2020 05:53 AM, Marcus Müller via USRP-users wrote: >> Hi Arash, >> >> The input power is not defined by the motherboard (X310) you're using, >> but by the analog frontend daughterboard (like TwinRX, UBX-160, SBX,…) >> you've plugged in to these. >> > For example, see the "Care and Handling" for the SBX here: > > https://kb.ettus.com/SBX_Getting_Started_Guides#Proper_Care_and_Handling > > And for the TwinRx > > https://kb.ettus.com/TwinRX_Getting_Started_Guides#Proper_Care_and_Handling > > > _______________________________________________ > USRP-users mailing list > USRP-users@lists.ettus.com > http://lists.ettus.com/mailman/listinfo/usrp-users_lists.ettus.com
MD
Marcus D Leech
Tue, Jul 14, 2020 2:29 PM

Joe:

The input levels that cause distortion vary quite a bit from daughtercard to daughtercard, and even within a daughtercard there will be variability depending on frequency.

The performance data can be consulted for this:

https://files.ettus.com/performance_data/

What you’re looking for is IP3 and P1dB data.

But “damage limits” are given
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2020, at 10:17 AM, Joe Martin k5so@k5so.com wrote:

Arash,

Marcus L.’s response has some definitive info in the links.  For example, in the TwinRX link it is stated:

Never apply more than +10 dBm of power into any RF input.

So there you have it.  Thanks for the details Marcus.

Regards,

Joe

On Jul 14, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users usrp-users@lists.ettus.com wrote:

On 07/14/2020 05:53 AM, Marcus Müller via USRP-users wrote:
Hi Arash,

The input power is not defined by the motherboard (X310) you're using,
but by the analog frontend daughterboard (like TwinRX, UBX-160, SBX,…)
you've plugged in to these.

Joe: The input levels that cause distortion vary quite a bit from daughtercard to daughtercard, and even within a daughtercard there will be variability depending on frequency. The performance data can be consulted for this: https://files.ettus.com/performance_data/ What you’re looking for is IP3 and P1dB data. But “damage limits” are given Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2020, at 10:17 AM, Joe Martin <k5so@k5so.com> wrote: > > Arash, > > Marcus L.’s response has some definitive info in the links. For example, in the TwinRX link it is stated: > >> Never apply more than +10 dBm of power into any RF input. > > So there you have it. Thanks for the details Marcus. > > Regards, > > Joe > >> On Jul 14, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users <usrp-users@lists.ettus.com> wrote: >> >>> On 07/14/2020 05:53 AM, Marcus Müller via USRP-users wrote: >>> Hi Arash, >>> >>> The input power is not defined by the motherboard (X310) you're using, >>> but by the analog frontend daughterboard (like TwinRX, UBX-160, SBX,…) >>> you've plugged in to these. >>> >> For example, see the "Care and Handling" for the SBX here: >> >> https://kb.ettus.com/SBX_Getting_Started_Guides#Proper_Care_and_Handling >> >> And for the TwinRx >> >> https://kb.ettus.com/TwinRX_Getting_Started_Guides#Proper_Care_and_Handling >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> USRP-users mailing list >> USRP-users@lists.ettus.com >> http://lists.ettus.com/mailman/listinfo/usrp-users_lists.ettus.com >
JM
Joe Martin
Tue, Jul 14, 2020 2:31 PM

Marcus:

Yes. Thanks.  As I said.

Regards,

Joe

On Jul 14, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Marcus D Leech patchvonbraun@gmail.com wrote:

Joe:

The input levels that cause distortion vary quite a bit from daughtercard to daughtercard, and even within a daughtercard there will be variability depending on frequency.

The performance data can be consulted for this:

https://files.ettus.com/performance_data/ https://files.ettus.com/performance_data/

What you’re looking for is IP3 and P1dB data.

But “damage limits” are given
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2020, at 10:17 AM, Joe Martin k5so@k5so.com wrote:

Arash,

Marcus L.’s response has some definitive info in the links.  For example, in the TwinRX link it is stated:

Never apply more than +10 dBm of power into any RF input.

So there you have it.  Thanks for the details Marcus.

Regards,

Joe

On Jul 14, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users <usrp-users@lists.ettus.com mailto:usrp-users@lists.ettus.com> wrote:

On 07/14/2020 05:53 AM, Marcus Müller via USRP-users wrote:

Hi Arash,

The input power is not defined by the motherboard (X310) you're using,
but by the analog frontend daughterboard (like TwinRX, UBX-160, SBX,…)
you've plugged in to these.

Marcus: Yes. Thanks. As I said. Regards, Joe > On Jul 14, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Marcus D Leech <patchvonbraun@gmail.com> wrote: > > Joe: > > The input levels that cause distortion vary quite a bit from daughtercard to daughtercard, and even within a daughtercard there will be variability depending on frequency. > > The performance data can be consulted for this: > > https://files.ettus.com/performance_data/ <https://files.ettus.com/performance_data/> > > What you’re looking for is IP3 and P1dB data. > > But “damage limits” are given > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 14, 2020, at 10:17 AM, Joe Martin <k5so@k5so.com> wrote: >> >> Arash, >> >> Marcus L.’s response has some definitive info in the links. For example, in the TwinRX link it is stated: >> >>> Never apply more than +10 dBm of power into any RF input. >> >> So there you have it. Thanks for the details Marcus. >> >> Regards, >> >> Joe >> >>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users <usrp-users@lists.ettus.com <mailto:usrp-users@lists.ettus.com>> wrote: >>> >>> On 07/14/2020 05:53 AM, Marcus Müller via USRP-users wrote: >>>> Hi Arash, >>>> >>>> The input power is not defined by the motherboard (X310) you're using, >>>> but by the analog frontend daughterboard (like TwinRX, UBX-160, SBX,…) >>>> you've plugged in to these. >>>> >>> For example, see the "Care and Handling" for the SBX here: >>> >>> https://kb.ettus.com/SBX_Getting_Started_Guides#Proper_Care_and_Handling <https://kb.ettus.com/SBX_Getting_Started_Guides#Proper_Care_and_Handling> >>> >>> And for the TwinRx >>> >>> https://kb.ettus.com/TwinRX_Getting_Started_Guides#Proper_Care_and_Handling >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> USRP-users mailing list >>> USRP-users@lists.ettus.com >>> http://lists.ettus.com/mailman/listinfo/usrp-users_lists.ettus.com >>