John, Tim and Barbara, This is a very important topic which I am actively debating ( with myself ) in fact I just sent a note to Scott Bulger to elicit his opinion about the "necessity" of dry exhaust on a coastal cruiser. I was wishing American Tugs could be ordered with a Lugger, dry exhaust and a Nordhavn gravity fuel system. The gas powered boats I've owned were always having trouble with the exhaust risers and it seems like a good idea in the long run to keep salt water away from your metal engine parts. The fishermen have been using dry exhaust for decades, altough I have heard it argued that this was merely the cheaper way to go. However, this would seem not to be the case with a yacht. I best order the article and read what Dave Gerr has to say. I am interested in your experiences too. Thank-you David E. Poulsbo/Keyport, Wa., Currently in Glendale, Az., On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:19 AM, John Marshall <johnamar1101@gmail.com>wrote: > I stand corrected Tim. > > Perhaps the various wet exhaust boats I've been on didn't handle the > exhaust correctly, but I could always smell a bit of burned diesel, > especially with a following or quartering wind. (But none of them were > wet-exhaust Nordhavns). Given we're pretty slow, the wind is often > blowing from the back. > > Or maybe I'm just hyper-sensitive to the fumes. > > John > On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Tim Johnson wrote: > > > I take exception to John Marshall's comment re the > > "uninhabitability" of the cockpit on wet exhaust boats. I've owned > > six wet exhaust boats of various types. Those with the exhaust > > exiting the stern through a flat transom can suffer from the > > "station wagon" effect at higher speeds, resulting in exhaust fumes > > being sucked back into the cockpit. This can be unpleasant. On my > > last two boats, a Nordhavn 57 and 64, the exhaust exits at the aft > > starboard corner through an outlet that is underwater at about six > > knots. The exhaust is thus swept back behind the boat and does not > > come into the cockpit. There is no exhaust odor in the cockpit. > > > > The wet vs. dry debate is endless. For a thorough discussion of the > > issue, I suggest Dave Gerr's article in the February/March and April/ > > May 2008 issue of Professional Boat Builder: After weighing the > > plusses and minuses of each choice, Gerr concludes: "[M]y > > preference is for wet exhaust on yachts and most small passenger > > vessels. I think the majority of boat owners will be happier > > living with a wet exhaust." > > > > > > Tim Johnson > > M/V CLAIRBUOYANT > > Nordhavn 64 #06 > > tim@timandclair.com > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.

We have just done 4000 miles in our first year on a Nordhavn 62 with a wet exhaust and have never had any smell/problems related to it at all. Certainly keeps the roof of the pilothouse cleaner! Steve H On 2/19/09 2:07 PM, "David Evans" <highpressure@gmail.com> wrote: > John, Tim and Barbara, > > This is a very important topic which I am actively debating ( with myself ) > in fact I just sent a note to Scott Bulger to elicit his opinion > about the "necessity" of dry exhaust on a coastal cruiser. I was wishing > American Tugs could be ordered with a Lugger, dry exhaust and a Nordhavn > gravity fuel system. The gas powered boats I've owned were always having > trouble with the exhaust risers and it seems like a good idea in the long > run to keep salt water away from your metal engine parts. The fishermen have > been using dry exhaust for decades, altough I have heard it argued that > this was merely the cheaper way to go. However, this would seem not to be > the case with a yacht. I best order the article and read what Dave Gerr has > to say. I am interested in your experiences too. > > Thank-you > > David E. > Poulsbo/Keyport, Wa., > Currently in Glendale, Az., > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:19 AM, John Marshall <johnamar1101@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I stand corrected Tim. >> >> Perhaps the various wet exhaust boats I've been on didn't handle the >> exhaust correctly, but I could always smell a bit of burned diesel, >> especially with a following or quartering wind. (But none of them were >> wet-exhaust Nordhavns). Given we're pretty slow, the wind is often >> blowing from the back. >> >> Or maybe I'm just hyper-sensitive to the fumes. >> >> John >> On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Tim Johnson wrote: >> >>> I take exception to John Marshall's comment re the >>> "uninhabitability" of the cockpit on wet exhaust boats. I've owned >>> six wet exhaust boats of various types. Those with the exhaust >>> exiting the stern through a flat transom can suffer from the >>> "station wagon" effect at higher speeds, resulting in exhaust fumes >>> being sucked back into the cockpit. This can be unpleasant. On my >>> last two boats, a Nordhavn 57 and 64, the exhaust exits at the aft >>> starboard corner through an outlet that is underwater at about six >>> knots. The exhaust is thus swept back behind the boat and does not >>> come into the cockpit. There is no exhaust odor in the cockpit. >>> >>> The wet vs. dry debate is endless. For a thorough discussion of the >>> issue, I suggest Dave Gerr's article in the February/March and April/ >>> May 2008 issue of Professional Boat Builder: After weighing the >>> plusses and minuses of each choice, Gerr concludes: "[M]y >>> preference is for wet exhaust on yachts and most small passenger >>> vessels. I think the majority of boat owners will be happier >>> living with a wet exhaust." >>> >>> >>> Tim Johnson >>> M/V CLAIRBUOYANT >>> Nordhavn 64 #06 >>> tim@timandclair.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power >> >> To unsubscribe send email to >> passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word >> UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. >> >> Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World >> Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions. > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, > formerly known as Trawler World Productions.

UNSUBSCRIBE --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Brian Smyth <brian.smyth@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: From: Brian Smyth <brian.smyth@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [PUP] Selen or Kadey Krogen? To: "'Tim Johnson'" <tim@timandclair.com>, "'John Marshall'" <johnamar1101@gmail.com> Cc: "'Barbara Wilkinson'" <xbrit@charter.net>, passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 6:04 PM Hi Tim, We build almost exclusively wet exhausts, and you are absolutely right! We have delivered boats long distances and fine the boats very clean on arrival. I also think wet exhausts are less expensive to build, and if an exhaust separator is used, they are really clean and quite! Brian Yachtsmiths International -----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces+brian.smyth=ns.sympatico.ca@lists.samurai. com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces+brian.smyth=ns.sympatico.ca@lists. samurai.com] On Behalf Of Tim Johnson Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:01 PM To: John Marshall Cc: Barbara Wilkinson; passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Subject: Re: [PUP] Selen or Kadey Krogen? I take exception to John Marshall's comment re the "uninhabitability" of the cockpit on wet exhaust boats. I've owned six wet exhaust boats of various types. Those with the exhaust exiting the stern through a flat transom can suffer from the "station wagon" effect at higher speeds, resulting in exhaust fumes being sucked back into the cockpit. This can be unpleasant. On my last two boats, a Nordhavn 57 and 64, the exhaust exits at the aft starboard corner through an outlet that is underwater at about six knots. The exhaust is thus swept back behind the boat and does not come into the cockpit. There is no exhaust odor in the cockpit. The wet vs. dry debate is endless. For a thorough discussion of the issue, I suggest Dave Gerr's article in the February/March and April/ May 2008 issue of Professional Boat Builder: After weighing the plusses and minuses of each choice, Gerr concludes: "[M]y preference is for wet exhaust on yachts and most small passenger vessels. I think the majority of boat owners will be happier living with a wet exhaust." Tim Johnson M/V CLAIRBUOYANT Nordhavn 64 #06 tim@timandclair.com _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions. _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.