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TWL: trawlering vs sailing

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Thataway@aol.com
Thu, Mar 29, 2001 6:28 PM

JH says:

For the kind of short day cruise use, many boats are actually involved in,

it is considerably quicker to get the boat ready and underway in a trawler
than a sailboat, and much more easily done by just 1 or 2 people.

Single handing a trawler, is significantly quicker and easier than most
comparably sized sailboats.
(No sails to raise and lower.)
Makes those short cruises much more time effective, for those of us with
still busy schedules.

Related thought, I'm surprised there aren't more motorsailors (like a Fisher
as just one example), in use. <<

Sorry to disagree,
But as one who has done a lot of "single handed" sailing--including while
my mate was sleeping, cooking or taking care of the kids, one can start the
engine on a sailboat and cast off just as quickly and then hoist the sails as
the boat goes out the channel to where you want to sail on auto pilot, (I
always had a hand held remote to take forward if I had to go there to remove
sail covers or ties) or before auto pilot just locking the tiller.  One
person can both hoist and lower the sails easily if the boat is set up
correctly.

Frankly the Fisher is a poor example of a motor sailer, it motors fairly 

well but sails poorly.  There are much better examples of true 50/50
motorsailors: boats that sail well and motor well. For example the Cal 46
that I had before I was no longer able to sail and had to got to a trawler
would motor well at 8 knots and sail equally.  The sails could be raised and
lowered from the cockpit.  We had a number of days on passage of 200 miles;
certainly a good trawlerly speed. Yes we always had ice cubes!  We would step
aboard, no more preparation than in the trawler, cast off and I would remove
the sail cover and hoist the sails by the time we were in open water, be
sailing.

Bob Austin
Symbol 42
Pensacolal, FL

JH says: >>For the kind of short day cruise use, many boats are actually involved in, it is considerably quicker to get the boat ready and underway in a trawler than a sailboat, and much more easily done by just 1 or 2 people. Single handing a trawler, is significantly quicker and easier than most comparably sized sailboats. (No sails to raise and lower.) Makes those short cruises much more time effective, for those of us with still busy schedules. Related thought, I'm surprised there aren't more motorsailors (like a Fisher as just one example), in use. << Sorry to disagree, But as one who has done a lot of "single handed" sailing--including while my mate was sleeping, cooking or taking care of the kids, one can start the engine on a sailboat and cast off just as quickly and then hoist the sails as the boat goes out the channel to where you want to sail on auto pilot, (I always had a hand held remote to take forward if I had to go there to remove sail covers or ties) or before auto pilot just locking the tiller. One person can both hoist and lower the sails easily if the boat is set up correctly. Frankly the Fisher is a poor example of a motor sailer, it motors fairly well but sails poorly. There are much better examples of true 50/50 motorsailors: boats that sail well and motor well. For example the Cal 46 that I had before I was no longer able to sail and had to got to a trawler would motor well at 8 knots and sail equally. The sails could be raised and lowered from the cockpit. We had a number of days on passage of 200 miles; certainly a good trawlerly speed. Yes we always had ice cubes! We would step aboard, no more preparation than in the trawler, cast off and I would remove the sail cover and hoist the sails by the time we were in open water, be sailing. Bob Austin Symbol 42 Pensacolal, FL
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scaramouche@tvo.org
Tue, Apr 3, 2001 12:06 AM

Yes we always had ice cubes!

I always have ice cubes on my sailboat. That's how I keep my beer
cold. Buy a bag of ice each day and stick in my old-fashioned ice
box. Cost: about $ 2.-/day. Beats futzing with refrigeration units
and is a lot cheaper...

George of Scaramouche, mostly marina-hopping on inland lakes.

Thataway@aol.com writes: >Yes we always had ice cubes! I always have ice cubes on my sailboat. That's how I keep my beer cold. Buy a bag of ice each day and stick in my old-fashioned ice box. Cost: about $ 2.-/day. Beats futzing with refrigeration units and is a lot cheaper... George of Scaramouche, mostly marina-hopping on inland lakes.
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rcrogers@annapolis.net
Tue, Apr 3, 2001 4:23 AM

Unless you have super insulation, it doesn't work to well on the Chesapeake
in Summer. I thought that in Canada you could just bump into an iceberg and
get it for free.

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Geist" scaramouche@tvo.org
To: Thataway@aol.com
Cc: trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: TWL: trawlering vs sailing

Yes we always had ice cubes!

I always have ice cubes on my sailboat. That's how I keep my beer
cold. Buy a bag of ice each day and stick in my old-fashioned ice
box. Cost: about $ 2.-/day. Beats futzing with refrigeration units
and is a lot cheaper...

George of Scaramouche, mostly marina-hopping on inland lakes.

Unless you have super insulation, it doesn't work to well on the Chesapeake in Summer. I thought that in Canada you could just bump into an iceberg and get it for free. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Geist" <scaramouche@tvo.org> To: <Thataway@aol.com> Cc: <trawler-world-list@samurai.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: Re: TWL: trawlering vs sailing > Thataway@aol.com writes: > >Yes we always had ice cubes! > > I always have ice cubes on my sailboat. That's how I keep my beer > cold. Buy a bag of ice each day and stick in my old-fashioned ice > box. Cost: about $ 2.-/day. Beats futzing with refrigeration units > and is a lot cheaper... > > George of Scaramouche, mostly marina-hopping on inland lakes. >