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Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

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Chuck Harris
Fri, Dec 5, 2014 2:41 PM

We were talking about remotely viewing light from small things
like LED's.  I hardly think that telling me about a 1m diameter
solar "light pipe", or the marvels of ancient Egyptians is relevant.

I see two types of devices used for moving light remotely:

  1. fiber optic, which is a standardized media, and is available
    off the shelf, and in any length you want.  It isn't all the
    stuff meant to run data around.

  2. custom molded acrylic light pipes, which are, well, custom
    made devices for the situation at hand.

Which of the two do you think is more applicable to the OP's
needs?

-Chuck Harris

Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote:

On 5 Dec 2014 13:19, "Chuck Harris" cfharris@erols.com wrote:

I think the name "light pipe" has been supplanted by fiber-optic.

-Chuck Harris

Technically I agree that they have a lot in common. But I think the large
devices, which are often not cylindrical,  are usually called light pipes.

http://uk.mouser.com/Mobile/Optoelectronics/LED-Indication/LED-Light-Pipes/_/N-b1d20

Some light pipes are hollow inside. I think that is stretching the
definition of optical fibre.

According to Wikipedia,  light pipes or light tubes  were originally
developed by the ancient Egyptians.

Some of these things are hollow are more than 1 m in diameter.  I would
hardly call that an optical fibre.

But call them what you fancy (optical fibre, multi more fibre, waveguide,
light tube, light pipe. ...) I think such a device might solve the problem
getting the LTE Lite's status LEDs onto a box.

I don't have an LTE Lite, but given that they are low power devices, where
heat generation is undesirable,  I suspect that the light output level
might be a bit low. In which case a photodiode or similar may be needed.

Dave.


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We were talking about remotely viewing light from small things like LED's. I hardly think that telling me about a 1m diameter solar "light pipe", or the marvels of ancient Egyptians is relevant. I see two types of devices used for moving light remotely: 1) fiber optic, which is a standardized media, and is available off the shelf, and in any length you want. It isn't all the stuff meant to run data around. 2) custom molded acrylic light pipes, which are, well, custom made devices for the situation at hand. Which of the two do you think is more applicable to the OP's needs? -Chuck Harris Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: > On 5 Dec 2014 13:19, "Chuck Harris" <cfharris@erols.com> wrote: >> >> I think the name "light pipe" has been supplanted by fiber-optic. >> >> -Chuck Harris > > Technically I agree that they have a lot in common. But I think the large > devices, which are often not cylindrical, are usually called light pipes. > > http://uk.mouser.com/Mobile/Optoelectronics/LED-Indication/LED-Light-Pipes/_/N-b1d20 > > Some light pipes are hollow inside. I think that is stretching the > definition of optical fibre. > > According to Wikipedia, light pipes or light tubes were originally > developed by the ancient Egyptians. > > Some of these things are hollow are more than 1 m in diameter. I would > hardly call that an optical fibre. > > But call them what you fancy (optical fibre, multi more fibre, waveguide, > light tube, light pipe. ...) I think such a device might solve the problem > getting the LTE Lite's status LEDs onto a box. > > I don't have an LTE Lite, but given that they are low power devices, where > heat generation is undesirable, I suspect that the light output level > might be a bit low. In which case a photodiode or similar may be needed. > > Dave. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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paul swed
Fri, Dec 5, 2014 2:41 PM

That is a good suggestion. But I fall into the camp. "Not really that
important now."
At least not to get me to pull it out of the rack. :-)
The little LED are pretty bright and I remember some broadcast equipment
used light pipes.
OK now I am going to get silly but this is time-nuts. I think light pipe
and fiber optics are two different terms.
Yes they both pass light. But a fiber optic is a precision glass or plastic
waveguide. A light pipe is a bulk piece of plastic that is not a wave guide
in respect to the accuracy of the walls.
Oh I am so doomed now that I said that.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) <
drkirkby@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote:

On 5 Dec 2014 13:19, "Chuck Harris" cfharris@erols.com wrote:

I think the name "light pipe" has been supplanted by fiber-optic.

-Chuck Harris

Technically I agree that they have a lot in common. But I think the large
devices, which are often not cylindrical,  are usually called light pipes.

http://uk.mouser.com/Mobile/Optoelectronics/LED-Indication/LED-Light-Pipes/_/N-b1d20

Some light pipes are hollow inside. I think that is stretching the
definition of optical fibre.

According to Wikipedia,  light pipes or light tubes  were originally
developed by the ancient Egyptians.

Some of these things are hollow are more than 1 m in diameter.  I would
hardly call that an optical fibre.

But call them what you fancy (optical fibre, multi more fibre, waveguide,
light tube, light pipe. ...) I think such a device might solve the problem
getting the LTE Lite's status LEDs onto a box.

I don't have an LTE Lite, but given that they are low power devices, where
heat generation is undesirable,  I suspect that the light output level
might be a bit low. In which case a photodiode or similar may be needed.

Dave.


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That is a good suggestion. But I fall into the camp. "Not really that important now." At least not to get me to pull it out of the rack. :-) The little LED are pretty bright and I remember some broadcast equipment used light pipes. OK now I am going to get silly but this is time-nuts. I think light pipe and fiber optics are two different terms. Yes they both pass light. But a fiber optic is a precision glass or plastic waveguide. A light pipe is a bulk piece of plastic that is not a wave guide in respect to the accuracy of the walls. Oh I am so doomed now that I said that. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) < drkirkby@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote: > On 5 Dec 2014 13:19, "Chuck Harris" <cfharris@erols.com> wrote: > > > > I think the name "light pipe" has been supplanted by fiber-optic. > > > > -Chuck Harris > > Technically I agree that they have a lot in common. But I think the large > devices, which are often not cylindrical, are usually called light pipes. > > > http://uk.mouser.com/Mobile/Optoelectronics/LED-Indication/LED-Light-Pipes/_/N-b1d20 > > Some light pipes are hollow inside. I think that is stretching the > definition of optical fibre. > > According to Wikipedia, light pipes or light tubes were originally > developed by the ancient Egyptians. > > Some of these things are hollow are more than 1 m in diameter. I would > hardly call that an optical fibre. > > But call them what you fancy (optical fibre, multi more fibre, waveguide, > light tube, light pipe. ...) I think such a device might solve the problem > getting the LTE Lite's status LEDs onto a box. > > I don't have an LTE Lite, but given that they are low power devices, where > heat generation is undesirable, I suspect that the light output level > might be a bit low. In which case a photodiode or similar may be needed. > > Dave. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Brian Lloyd
Fri, Dec 5, 2014 2:47 PM

Mount the LTE-lite to the front panel with a cutout and a green bezel so
you can see the LEDs directly.

--
Brian Lloyd
Lloyd Aviation
706 Flightline Drive
Spring Branch, TX 78070
brian@lloyd.aero
+1.210.802-8FLY (1.210.802-8359)

Mount the LTE-lite to the front panel with a cutout and a green bezel so you can see the LEDs directly. -- Brian Lloyd Lloyd Aviation 706 Flightline Drive Spring Branch, TX 78070 brian@lloyd.aero +1.210.802-8FLY (1.210.802-8359)
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Chuck Harris
Fri, Dec 5, 2014 3:01 PM

The OP said he couldn't find anything applicable when he was
looking for "light pipe".  So, I offered him a suggestion for
why.  Ultimately, we are talking about locating something
using a search engine.

The public has taken to the high tech sounding term "fiber optic"
to describe what used to be called a light pipe.  If it is thin,
and flexible, and moves light from one location to another, it
will be known to most people as "fiber optic".

As an example, sitting here on my workbench is a light that I use
to illuminate objects under my Olympus stereo microscope.  It is
made by Nikon, and has the following words inscribed on its panel:

"NIKON, Inc.  MKII Fiber Optic Light"

Do you imagine that it is a precision glass or plastic waveguide,
or just a flexible light pipe?

-Chuck Harris

paul swed wrote:

That is a good suggestion. But I fall into the camp. "Not really that
important now."
At least not to get me to pull it out of the rack. :-)
The little LED are pretty bright and I remember some broadcast equipment
used light pipes.
OK now I am going to get silly but this is time-nuts. I think light pipe
and fiber optics are two different terms.
Yes they both pass light. But a fiber optic is a precision glass or plastic
waveguide. A light pipe is a bulk piece of plastic that is not a wave guide
in respect to the accuracy of the walls.
Oh I am so doomed now that I said that.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

The OP said he couldn't find anything applicable when he was looking for "light pipe". So, I offered him a suggestion for why. Ultimately, we are talking about locating something using a search engine. The public has taken to the high tech sounding term "fiber optic" to describe what used to be called a light pipe. If it is thin, and flexible, and moves light from one location to another, it will be known to most people as "fiber optic". As an example, sitting here on my workbench is a light that I use to illuminate objects under my Olympus stereo microscope. It is made by Nikon, and has the following words inscribed on its panel: "NIKON, Inc. MKII Fiber Optic Light" Do you imagine that it is a precision glass or plastic waveguide, or just a flexible light pipe? -Chuck Harris paul swed wrote: > That is a good suggestion. But I fall into the camp. "Not really that > important now." > At least not to get me to pull it out of the rack. :-) > The little LED are pretty bright and I remember some broadcast equipment > used light pipes. > OK now I am going to get silly but this is time-nuts. I think light pipe > and fiber optics are two different terms. > Yes they both pass light. But a fiber optic is a precision glass or plastic > waveguide. A light pipe is a bulk piece of plastic that is not a wave guide > in respect to the accuracy of the walls. > Oh I am so doomed now that I said that. > Regards > Paul > WB8TSL
DL
Don Latham
Fri, Dec 5, 2014 7:22 PM

actually, Magritte had it:  “this is not a pipe”
Don

On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:01 AM, Chuck Harris cfharris@erols.com wrote:

The OP said he couldn't find anything applicable when he was
looking for "light pipe".  So, I offered him a suggestion for
why.  Ultimately, we are talking about locating something
using a search engine.

The public has taken to the high tech sounding term "fiber optic"
to describe what used to be called a light pipe.  If it is thin,
and flexible, and moves light from one location to another, it
will be known to most people as "fiber optic".

As an example, sitting here on my workbench is a light that I use
to illuminate objects under my Olympus stereo microscope.  It is
made by Nikon, and has the following words inscribed on its panel:

"NIKON, Inc.  MKII Fiber Optic Light"

Do you imagine that it is a precision glass or plastic waveguide,
or just a flexible light pipe?

-Chuck Harris

paul swed wrote:

That is a good suggestion. But I fall into the camp. "Not really that
important now."
At least not to get me to pull it out of the rack. :-)
The little LED are pretty bright and I remember some broadcast equipment
used light pipes.
OK now I am going to get silly but this is time-nuts. I think light pipe
and fiber optics are two different terms.
Yes they both pass light. But a fiber optic is a precision glass or plastic
waveguide. A light pipe is a bulk piece of plastic that is not a wave guide
in respect to the accuracy of the walls.
Oh I am so doomed now that I said that.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL


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actually, Magritte had it: “this is not a pipe” Don > On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:01 AM, Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com> wrote: > > The OP said he couldn't find anything applicable when he was > looking for "light pipe". So, I offered him a suggestion for > why. Ultimately, we are talking about locating something > using a search engine. > > The public has taken to the high tech sounding term "fiber optic" > to describe what used to be called a light pipe. If it is thin, > and flexible, and moves light from one location to another, it > will be known to most people as "fiber optic". > > As an example, sitting here on my workbench is a light that I use > to illuminate objects under my Olympus stereo microscope. It is > made by Nikon, and has the following words inscribed on its panel: > > "NIKON, Inc. MKII Fiber Optic Light" > > Do you imagine that it is a precision glass or plastic waveguide, > or just a flexible light pipe? > > -Chuck Harris > > > > paul swed wrote: >> That is a good suggestion. But I fall into the camp. "Not really that >> important now." >> At least not to get me to pull it out of the rack. :-) >> The little LED are pretty bright and I remember some broadcast equipment >> used light pipes. >> OK now I am going to get silly but this is time-nuts. I think light pipe >> and fiber optics are two different terms. >> Yes they both pass light. But a fiber optic is a precision glass or plastic >> waveguide. A light pipe is a bulk piece of plastic that is not a wave guide >> in respect to the accuracy of the walls. >> Oh I am so doomed now that I said that. >> Regards >> Paul >> WB8TSL > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
DM
Dave M
Fri, Dec 5, 2014 8:04 PM

I finally took an ineterest in this thread, because I have needed (rather
infrequently) a way to get LED light from a PCB to a front panel.  I Googled
"flexible light pipe" (no quotes in the Google search) and got loads of hits
for them.  So, I guess they're called "pipes" after all.  And they're
stocked at Mouser, in various sizel and lengths.  How quaint!
Check out Mouser's catalog page at
http://www.mouser.com/catalog/catalogusd/647/186.pdf.  There's probably
more, but this was as far as I went.

Cheers,
Dave M

Don Latham wrote:

actually, Magritte had it:  “this is not a pipe”
Don

On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:01 AM, Chuck Harris cfharris@erols.com wrote:

The OP said he couldn't find anything applicable when he was
looking for "light pipe".  So, I offered him a suggestion for
why.  Ultimately, we are talking about locating something
using a search engine.

The public has taken to the high tech sounding term "fiber optic"
to describe what used to be called a light pipe.  If it is thin,
and flexible, and moves light from one location to another, it
will be known to most people as "fiber optic".

As an example, sitting here on my workbench is a light that I use
to illuminate objects under my Olympus stereo microscope.  It is
made by Nikon, and has the following words inscribed on its panel:

"NIKON, Inc.  MKII Fiber Optic Light"

Do you imagine that it is a precision glass or plastic waveguide,
or just a flexible light pipe?

-Chuck Harris

paul swed wrote:

That is a good suggestion. But I fall into the camp. "Not really
that important now."
At least not to get me to pull it out of the rack. :-)
The little LED are pretty bright and I remember some broadcast
equipment used light pipes.
OK now I am going to get silly but this is time-nuts. I think light
pipe and fiber optics are two different terms.
Yes they both pass light. But a fiber optic is a precision glass or
plastic waveguide. A light pipe is a bulk piece of plastic that is
not a wave guide in respect to the accuracy of the walls.
Oh I am so doomed now that I said that.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

I finally took an ineterest in this thread, because I have needed (rather infrequently) a way to get LED light from a PCB to a front panel. I Googled "flexible light pipe" (no quotes in the Google search) and got loads of hits for them. So, I guess they're called "pipes" after all. And they're stocked at Mouser, in various sizel and lengths. How quaint! Check out Mouser's catalog page at http://www.mouser.com/catalog/catalogusd/647/186.pdf. There's probably more, but this was as far as I went. Cheers, Dave M Don Latham wrote: > actually, Magritte had it: “this is not a pipe” > Don > >> On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:01 AM, Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com> wrote: >> >> The OP said he couldn't find anything applicable when he was >> looking for "light pipe". So, I offered him a suggestion for >> why. Ultimately, we are talking about locating something >> using a search engine. >> >> The public has taken to the high tech sounding term "fiber optic" >> to describe what used to be called a light pipe. If it is thin, >> and flexible, and moves light from one location to another, it >> will be known to most people as "fiber optic". >> >> As an example, sitting here on my workbench is a light that I use >> to illuminate objects under my Olympus stereo microscope. It is >> made by Nikon, and has the following words inscribed on its panel: >> >> "NIKON, Inc. MKII Fiber Optic Light" >> >> Do you imagine that it is a precision glass or plastic waveguide, >> or just a flexible light pipe? >> >> -Chuck Harris >> >> paul swed wrote: >>> That is a good suggestion. But I fall into the camp. "Not really >>> that important now." >>> At least not to get me to pull it out of the rack. :-) >>> The little LED are pretty bright and I remember some broadcast >>> equipment used light pipes. >>> OK now I am going to get silly but this is time-nuts. I think light >>> pipe and fiber optics are two different terms. >>> Yes they both pass light. But a fiber optic is a precision glass or >>> plastic waveguide. A light pipe is a bulk piece of plastic that is >>> not a wave guide in respect to the accuracy of the walls. >>> Oh I am so doomed now that I said that. >>> Regards >>> Paul >>> WB8TSL
DD
Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Fri, Dec 5, 2014 9:29 PM

On 5 Dec 2014 20:05, "Dave M" dgminala@mediacombb.net wrote:

I finally took an ineterest in this thread, because I have needed (rather

infrequently) a way to get LED light from a PCB to a front panel.  I
Googled "flexible light pipe" (no quotes in the Google search) and got
loads of hits for them.  So, I guess they're called "pipes" after all.

I can't help feeling that the name(s) of the device(s) that will allow one
to get light from an LED on a PCB to a front panel is a bit off-topic. I
think it is fair to say we have ascertained that different people call them
by different names, and searching using Google with different names will
likely bring benefits over searching with one name.

IMHO, we should close this particular part of the thread.

Dave

On 5 Dec 2014 20:05, "Dave M" <dgminala@mediacombb.net> wrote: > > I finally took an ineterest in this thread, because I have needed (rather infrequently) a way to get LED light from a PCB to a front panel. I Googled "flexible light pipe" (no quotes in the Google search) and got loads of hits for them. So, I guess they're called "pipes" after all. I can't help feeling that the name(s) of the device(s) that will allow one to get light from an LED on a PCB to a front panel is a bit off-topic. I think it is fair to say we have ascertained that different people call them by different names, and searching using Google with different names will likely bring benefits over searching with one name. IMHO, we should close this particular part of the thread. Dave