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TWL: Non Slip tip propellers

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GYMKIDD319@aol.com
Sun, Jan 18, 2004 3:43 PM

Since the website says this was invented over a century ago and to my
knowledge is not in widespread use, I'd be hesitant to believe the claims.

It sounds like this is related to cupped props where tips are cupped...that
is curved a bit but not to the ninety degrees of this approach...I  knew somone
with a boat like my prior Matthews and the same engines who SWORE his new
cupped props were more efficient....so I had some reconditioned and cupping
added...just as I expected top RPM was reduced....so the guy who thought he was
"going faster" (more efficient) was REALLY just  pushing his engines a bit harder
at cruise RPM (using more fuel for the same cruising RPM) ...going a bit
faster....and losing a bit of speed at rated(top) RPM, just what you'd
expect....but not what the engine manufacturer recommends.

This design may well be suitable for use in special applications....who
knows??  I'd be more willing to believe the claim for 10% to 20% slip reduction if
some TEST data were offered and some specific applications suggested.

If the claim IS true, then a smaller prop would be required. Another way to
think about this would be to say that if slip is reduced 10% to 20% and a given
prop modifed then some reduction in RPM is bound to occur....So sizing a prop
with this design may now become less reliable than traditional prop
sizing...already a bit of an art form...

For anyone seriously considering this, I'd e-mail a major prop manufacturer
first and ask what they say.

Cheers,
Rob Brueckner
1972 Hatteras Yachtfish

Since the website says this was invented over a century ago and to my knowledge is not in widespread use, I'd be hesitant to believe the claims. It sounds like this is related to cupped props where tips are cupped...that is curved a bit but not to the ninety degrees of this approach...I knew somone with a boat like my prior Matthews and the same engines who SWORE his new cupped props were more efficient....so I had some reconditioned and cupping added...just as I expected top RPM was reduced....so the guy who thought he was "going faster" (more efficient) was REALLY just pushing his engines a bit harder at cruise RPM (using more fuel for the same cruising RPM) ...going a bit faster....and losing a bit of speed at rated(top) RPM, just what you'd expect....but not what the engine manufacturer recommends. This design may well be suitable for use in special applications....who knows?? I'd be more willing to believe the claim for 10% to 20% slip reduction if some TEST data were offered and some specific applications suggested. If the claim IS true, then a smaller prop would be required. Another way to think about this would be to say that if slip is reduced 10% to 20% and a given prop modifed then some reduction in RPM is bound to occur....So sizing a prop with this design may now become less reliable than traditional prop sizing...already a bit of an art form... For anyone seriously considering this, I'd e-mail a major prop manufacturer first and ask what they say. Cheers, Rob Brueckner 1972 Hatteras Yachtfish
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Ron Rogers
Mon, Jan 19, 2004 1:39 AM

FWIW, there is a prop manufacturer in Virginia who makes all kinds of
propellers to include several with squared or clipped ends. I was told that
these props are for high speed/racing craft.

There is a new company mentioned in "Motorboating" which makes pleasure boat
versions of Kort nozzles for which they make many claims.

Ron Rogers

FWIW, there is a prop manufacturer in Virginia who makes all kinds of propellers to include several with squared or clipped ends. I was told that these props are for high speed/racing craft. There is a new company mentioned in "Motorboating" which makes pleasure boat versions of Kort nozzles for which they make many claims. Ron Rogers
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Keith Pleas
Mon, Jan 19, 2004 3:00 AM

David Gerr's excellent "Propeller Handbook" does not mention a "non-slip"
tip, but it does have the following to say about cupped blades:

"Cupped blades are blades with hollow or concave faces...the most common is
to introduce cup at the trailing edge. Sometimes the cupping is worked
around and into part of the blade tip as well...

Cupped blades have the effect of increasing true or virtual pitch...Cupped
blades are very effective on high-speed vessels (over 35 knots),
particularly with high-RPM propellers...

Cupped blades also help delay or reduce cavitation...Further, the curvature
created by the cup imparts additional strength to the blade, allowing for
thinner blades...In spite of the many advantages cupped blades can offer
high-speed craft, they serve no useful function on most vessels operating at
under 30 knots."

David Gerr's excellent "Propeller Handbook" does not mention a "non-slip" tip, but it does have the following to say about cupped blades: "Cupped blades are blades with hollow or concave faces...the most common is to introduce cup at the trailing edge. Sometimes the cupping is worked around and into part of the blade tip as well... Cupped blades have the effect of increasing true or virtual pitch...Cupped blades are very effective on high-speed vessels (over 35 knots), particularly with high-RPM propellers... Cupped blades also help delay or reduce cavitation...Further, the curvature created by the cup imparts additional strength to the blade, allowing for thinner blades...In spite of the many advantages cupped blades can offer high-speed craft, they serve no useful function on most vessels operating at under 30 knots."